Volusia ECHO Advisory Board Meeting Minutes
July 11, 2001
Volusia County Fire Science Institute
3889 Tiger Bay Road
Daytona Beach, Florida

Members Present Staff present
Gary Libby, Chair
Janet Williams, Vice Chair
Marc Davidson
Lorna Jean Hagstrom
Linda Hargreaves
Roy Schleicher
Frank Gummey, Asst. Co. Atty.
Margaret Hodge, Coordinator
Ruby Barnett, Staff Support

Visitors (signed in)

Loretta Morno 
Ingrid Swenson
Jim Neely 
Mark Sheets
Mark Rakowski 
Jeff Corden
Dot Moore 
Nancy Daslher
Jeffrey Boyce 
Michael Sanden
Becky Adams 
Bob Nix
Elysha Dunagan 
Donnadine Miller
Ann Brady 
Lynn Parfitt
Dinah Pulver

I. Call To Order, Introductory Remarks, Roll Call:

Chair Libby called the meeting to order at 3:00 p.m., welcomed the public and asked staff to take Roll Call of members. He then asked members of the public for their introductions. Chair Libby stated that there would be time under #5 on the Agenda for public participation and asked that all comments be limited to three minutes. He then thanked the audience and the public in general for the letters and telephone calls that had been received. He stated that this information would be part of the permanent record of the public hearings and would be an important part of the deliberation as the Committee moves forward.

Chair Libby stated that the collegues of Voluisa Forever had requested a joint workshop with Volusia ECHO prior to the ECHO workshop with the County Council. He stated that the purpose of the workshop would be to discuss any overlap or mutual concern where the two boards may be working together. Staff was asked to setup a workshop with Volusia Forever. Chair Libby requested that the members of ECHO do some brainstorming on any areas of concern or interest that may need to be addressed with Volusia Forever. Ms. Hagstrom asked for clarification. Chair Libby stated that the reason for the meeting was not that the two boards should mirror each other but that the two boards need to come together to discuss how to "agree or disagree" regarding the determinations on where the projects would be funded (through Volusia Forever or Volusia ECHO), and if the funding was divided what part would be appropriate for each Committee to fund. Ms. Williams asked that a survey be done of the Board for availability for meetings. Mr. Libby requested that should the Board have any situation, which inhibited their availability for a meeting to contact Ms. Hodge. Ms. Hodge clarified that the "application workshop" with the County Council had to be scheduled around the County Council meeting schedule. Ms. Hodge suggested that some of the concerns that were voiced could be addressed later in the meeting when they discussed the agenda item "Goals and Strategic Plans Section."

II. Approval of June 27, 2001 Minutes:

Chair Libby directed the meeting to approval of the June 27 Minutes. He asked if there were any additions or corrections. There were none. Mr. Schleicher Moved that the Minutes be approved. Mr. Davidson Seconded. Chair Libby asked for discussion and there was none. The 06-27-01 Minutes were unanimously approved.

III Staff Update:

Chair Libby then asked Ms. Hodge to give the staff report. Ms. Hodge stated 1) the votes should not be "hand raising" but must be verbalized for the record, 2) the By-Laws would be going to County Council on July 19, for approval and at that time, the workshop would be addressed. 3) Ms. Hodge requested copies of all correspondence received by the ECHO Committee so copies could be made for the public records file, this would include any correspondence handed to the Board by the public at the meetings and noted that any discussion would be at the following meeting (if warranted) as directed by the Committee Chair. 4) Ms. Hodge explained the Agenda contents to the Committee and for the record, stated that Ms. Williams had already spoken to her about the RFIA reflecting the recent changes made to the application.

Chair Libby then asked for the public late comers to introduce themselves.

IV. Old Business:

Chair Libby directed the meeting to items under Old Business. Ms. Williams stated that since the By-Laws were going to the County Council for approval on July 19, if the Attendance Rule (Article V) could be changed to allow for excused absences. After much discussion, Chair Libby asked for a Motion to amend the By-Laws, Attendance Section Article V. Ms. Wiliams Moved that the By-Laws be amended to reflect that three "unexcused" absences would be permitted. Mr. Davidson Seconded. After much discussion, the Motion was amended to reflect that the majority of the Committee would vote to determine if the absence was excused or unexcused. Chair Libby asked if there was any more discussion. There was none and Chair Libby called for all those in favor to voice an Aye. Chair asked if any opposed. There was none and the Motion passed unanimously.

Chair Libby asked if there were any other "Old Business" items to be brought before the ECHO Board. There was none.

V. Annual Goal Setting Schedule:

Ms. Hodge explained that the time-schedule was a draft to set a time frame for the ECHO Board to respond to. After much discussion, Chair Libby asked if there was a Motion on the 2001/2002 Main Goals and Strategic Plan Schedule. Mr. Davidson Moved to accept the draft dates (with the understanding that the January 2001, February 2001, March 2001 and April 2001 would be changed to reflect the year 2002 and that the schedule would be fast tracked if possible), Ms. Williams Seconded. The Chair asked if there was any more discussion. There was none and Chair Libby called for all in favor to voice an aye. The ayes were given and the Chair asked if any were opposed. There were none and the Motion passed unanimously.

VI. Sub-Committee Reports:

Chair Libby asked Ms. Williams to present the report of the sub-committee on the RFIA (Response Form Intent to Apply) and Needs Assessment documents. Ms. Williams then proceeded with her report.

(RFIA, Page 1) The Committee had no changes.

(RFIA, Page 2) Volusia ECHO Program Goals, after much discussion Chair Libby asked if there was a Motion to be made to include the goal from Resolution No. 2000-156 Section IX/Oversight Committee, which states "In order to ensure that proceeds are used solely to finance acquisition, restoration, construction and improvement of recreation, historic and cultural facilities for public use, the County Council shall create an advisory oversight committee, (June 2, 2001), to provide for ongoing review of all projects under consideration and to make recommendations to the Council." Mr. Davidson Moved to adopt a sentence from the language in Section IX of the Ordinance to be added at the top directly underneath the heading of Volusia ECHO Program Goals. Mr. Green Seconded. The Chair asked if there was any discussion. There was none and the Chair asked those in favor to voice an aye. Ayes were given and the Chair asked for Opposed. There was none and the Motion passed unanimously.

After much discussion, Chair Libby requested that the section regarding the match on the Funding Policy, page 4, paragraph #4, be added to the Volusia ECHO Program Goals. Chair Libby asked for a Motion. Moved by Mr. Davidson and Seconded by Ms. Hagstrom. Mr. Libby asked if there was any more discussion. There was none and Chair Libby called for all in favor to voice an aye. The ayes were given and the Chair asked if any were opposed. There were none and the Motion passed unanimously.

(RFIA, Page 3) Applicant Eligibility Requirements, Item C, Ms. Hodge requested that Volusia County Government be changed to Volusia County Government Departments. Ms. Hargreaves questioned if the limit of one project per E-C-H-O, per entity, was still being discussed. Mr. Libby recognized Ms. Hodge. Ms. Hodge reminded the Board of the County Council’s response to staff’s question of restricting applications and that the County Council’s intention was that no entity would be restricted from bringing any ECHO application forward. Mr. Libby responded that the restriction on the number of the applications from one entity would be a continual topic of discussion throughout the process and that his feedback from Council on how the Board is working on this issue was positive. Mr. Gummey commented that this item (#C) didn’t really apply to the County of Volusia since the County did not need to apply for a "grant." Mr. Libby stated that all applications, including the County, must come before the ECHO Committee (according to current Council policy). Mr. Gummey agreed. After much discussion, Ms. Hagstrom asked to change the verbiage for Item C, page 3, to Department of Volusia County Government.

(RFIA, Page 4) Ms. Williams continued the report beginning with the heading of Minimum Program Requirements. Page 4, #4, changed to - An 8 ˝" x 11" reduction of current architectural drawings/and or excavation plans. Item #5 Deleted, Item #6 changed to - Proof of commitment of cash/in-kind match minimum 1:1. In-kind may not exceed 50% of match. The Committee discussed pledges and their possible potential and how they would be used. Mr. Gummey asked for clarification from the Committee on whether or not they would require the applicant to have the cash on hand before distribution of ECHO money. Mr. Libby and Ms. Hagstrom confirmed that yes the applicant would have to have cash on hand and that these decisions were made at prior meetings.

Ms. Williams continued the report, section Funding Policy, page 4, Paragraph #2, and asked Mr. Gummey to explain TIF. He stated it stood for a Tax Increment Fund and that a number of the Cities have a Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA) which is funded by an appropriation from the County, Municipalities, the Hospital District and the Water Management District, but not the School Board. And it has been funded in the amount of the increase of the tax base (taxes generated) since the establishment of the district. Presently, it constitutes a County–wide appropriation by the County in the amount of $1.8 Million. County-wide provisions are equal to approximately $5-$6 Million of funds which are generated by 6-8 municipalities and approximately 30%-35% of the funds were appropriated by the County’s General Fund and various different funds to the Municipal Community Development agencies, so in essence, they are funds of the municipality. Mr. Gummey stated that "one could argue that a portion of the TIF was County funds." He recommended consideration of fifty cents on each dollar.

Mr. Libby asked Mr. Gummey and Ms. Hodge to develop a plan of how TIF funds might be used (i.e. percentage or 100 percent).

Ms. Hagstorm asked for the meaning of CRA. Mr. Gummey replied that it stood for Community Redevelopment Agency. After much discussion, Mr. Libby got a consensus from the Board that the CRA section should go back to the Sub-Committee. Mr. Gummey stated that the first paragraph should reflect that there would be no program funding. Language changes were added to paragraph 1 – added (after operational support) and "no program funding." Final paragraph (#4) this section of bold face was Deleted (50% of match for non-profit, 25% of match for City or County?) and Match dollars may consist of cash and in-kind contributions. Value of land may be included up to 50% of the match. Purchase of real property for an element of a project……Present value of the lease only may be used as match. After further discussion, Mr. Libby referred this item back to the Sub-Committee.

Ms. Williams continued with the RFIA Report, Grant Period, and page 4. Ms. Hodge recommended, the Committee agreed, that the paragraph read - Funds are expected to be available in March/April of each grant year. Final Grant Application deadline is expected to be December/January of each year.

(RFIA, Page 5) Project Categories, Ms. Williams clarified with Ms. Hodge that the definition for "Heritage Project" would be transferred from the Grant Application. Ms. Williams asked if there were any more changes on the "Project Categories" section, Ms. Hargreaves asked if the application had to have both "Historic and Heritage," Mr. Libby replied that it did need both.

Ms. Hargreaves stated that the definition of "Environmental Projects would be changed to environmental experiences. Ms. Williams agreed, changing environment to environmental. Ms. Hargreaves requested clarification on whether environmental experiences would include things beyond what the Committee’s typical discussion had been, such as an "event." Mr. Libby requested Environmental/Ecological Project be added for the "E" category, "C" Cultural Project, "H" Historic/Heritage Project and "O" Outdoor Recreation Project. Ms. Hargreaves asked how an ecological project was going to come into play and if it would be covered in Forever. Mr. Libby responded, no. Ms. Hargraves asked for an example. Mr. Libby stated that an ecological project such as the Marine Science Center, located in Ponce Inlet, was not an environmental project and it was an ecological project by definition. It deals with educationing the public about the ecological systems that exist in the natural world. Part of it can be environmental but its ecological by definition.

(RFIA, Page 1) Mr. Gummey requested that on page 1, Ethics Statement section, if the word "Forever" could be added to the last sentence. Mr. Libby stated that the last sentence needed to be looked at to be more inclusive. Ms. Hodge asked Mr. Libby if he would like for her to re-do the last sentence of the Ethics Statement. Mr. Libby replied, yes.

(RFIA, Page 5 and 6, Definitions) Ms. Williams asked if there was anything else under the Project Categories, hearing none moved to the Definitions section, page 5. Ms. Hodge stated that the definitions were the same as the ones on the Grant Application. Ms. Williams stated that on page 6, third word, Lease, the number 10 should be changed to 40. Mr. Libby requested that the definition for Ecology be added. Ms. Williams clarified the difference between the Project Categories and Definitions.

Ms. Hodge suggested that all definitions be deleted from pages 5 & 6, since the definitions are located on the Grant Application. The Committee agreed. Ms. Williams proceeded to Appendix A (the RFIA Form/Appendices) explaining that this is what the applicant would be completing. After much discussion, the RFIA form would include these changes - Mr. Libby requested that the word REGION be changed to LOCATION. Ms. Hargreaves requested that the LOCATION should direct the applicant to mark the location on the map. Ms. Hodge recommended removing the map. Mr. Libby requested a general consensus from the Board on whether or not to leave the map. Mr. Green requested that the map be left and used to show the location. Mr. Libby agreed. Mr. Schleicher requested that the first line (name of the form) be changed to show what RFIA means, (Response Form Intent to Apply). Ms. Hodge stated that the FORM 2001 needed to reflect the year on the form. Ms. Hargreaves requested that in the opening paragraph, the word projects be changed to responses. Mr. Libby requested that the first sentence, on page 1, be added on Appendix A, as the opening statement to define the purpose of the RFIA, (Our goal is to obtain information on all prospective project requests which are expected to apply for the County ECHO match Grants during the upcoming five-year period.)

Ms. Williams asked if there was anything else on the form, and stated that a change had been made on the Project Category, second line, …. Change the second word your to this, Single-Phase line – deleted (one year), Mr. Davidson requested changes on the Multi-Phase line – deleted the period (.) and changed the capital "A" on annually to a small "a ."

Chair Libby asked if there was a Motion on the June 26, 2001, Second Draft, report of the Williams sub-committee (with noted changes), Ms. Hagstrom Motioned in favor. Mr. Green seconded. Chair Libby asked if there was any discussion. There was none and Chair Libby called for all those in favor to voice an Aye. Chair Libby asked if any opposed. There was none and the Motion passed unanimously.

IV. Application Policies, Procedures, & Guidelines

Chair Libby directed the meeting to Ms. Hagstrom for her report on the Application Policies, Procedures, and Guidelines document. Ms. Hagstrom requested that the Committee take the first part of the draft application home to read. A few minor corrections were noted to be made on the finished draft copy that would be distributed at the July 25, 2001, meeting. Mr. Libby asked if there was any other discussion. There was none.

V. NEW BUSINESS

Chair Libby asked if there was any New Business to be brought before the Board. There was none. The Chair moved to Public Participation.

VI. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:

Mark Rakowski, City of New Smyrna Beach, Southeast Historical Society, stated that he was concerned that cost of architectural drawings would not be eligible for the ECHO Grant program. Mr. Libby stated that they are allowable on the applicant’s half of the grants match and up to five years prior to the applicant’s application in the ECHO grant program. Chair Libby stated that the Board had decided that it didn’t want to pay for the drawings out of the ECHO dollars. He reiterated that the architectural drawings would count as "match."

Michael Sanden, Cultural Center Coordinator, City of Ormond Beach, stated that the County might be eligible in more than one Department to go for the different categories of EC-H-O, and the same eligibility also applied to the Municipalities. He referenced the letter that he had mailed to Mr. Libby. Mr. Libby reiterated that the letter Mr. Sanden was speaking of was given to Ms. Hodge and would become part of the permanent public record file for the ECHO Committee. Mr. Libby explained that the letter raised several possibilities, one of which, was how to expand the eligibility by allowing for partnership grants. Mr. Libby stated that the partnership grant philosophy may be the bridge that the Council would agree to use and the public would understand, and in effect, that the County could apply separately and as a partner. The County could apply with Port Orange, Ormond Beach, botanical garden could apply with a city or the County and it would be considered a separate eligible applicant in the program. Mr. Libby stated that this was one way to allow for greater access, so as not to appear so draconian by narrowing the access channel.

Ann Brady, Atlantic Center of Arts Museum, asked if the Committee was considering adding a special category section to the application for funding projects that were already under construction. Mr. Libby replied that such applications could still be made, but that the application needed to be read very carefully. She also requested clarification on the Request of Intent to Apply, regarding an organization that had a long time phased project, that didn’t include additional departments within the organization and were not to the point of being able to identify an estimated future cost, could partial funding be done. Mr. Libby replied, yes.

Lynn Parfitt, City of Daytona Beach, Leisure Services, stated that she was concerned (and that she agreed with the ECHO Board) that there should be limitations on the number of grants that the County or cities were eligible to receive.

Mark Rakowski, City of New Smyrna Beach, stated that the Board needed to be careful on how the land is used for match. Mr. Libby replied that on the State level, that the match is just historic preservation and with the ECHO grant process it could be a mixed program of a historic house and a walkway and other uses of that land. His second item was regarding Community Redevelopment TIF money. Mr. Rakowski recommended that the TIF money should be 1:1 match. Mr. Libby stated that this area of TIF would be reviewed further. Chair Libby asked if there were any other comments from the public. There were none.

VIII. STAFF MEETING UPDATES:

Ms. Hodge stated the location for July and August would be in the County Council Chambers and September was available if the Board wanted to continue meeting in the Council Chambers.

IX. ADJOURNMENT:

Chair Libby asked if there was anything else from members of the committee. There were none so the Chair asked for a Motion to adjourn.

Ms. Hagstrom Motioned for Adjournment. Mr. Davidson seconded and all in favor stated Aye. The meeting adjourned at 5:30 p.m.

Minutes Approved _____________

Minutes Approved With Amendments ______________

Amendments As Follows:

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Chair Date

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Program Coordinator Date

UPCOMING MEETING UPDATE (not part of the official minutes):

July 25, 2001 – 3:00 – 5:00 p.m. – Volusia County Council Chambers – DeLand

August 8, 2001 – 3:00 – 5:00 p.m. - Volusia County Council Chambers – DeLand

August 22, 2001 – 3:00 – 5:00 p.m. - Volusia County Council Chambers - DeLand

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