[ Please stand by for realtime  captions ] Good morning,  it is 9:30 AM welcome to the public  participation portion of  the Volusia   County  meeting on November 5. If you have filled  out a card you will be allowed to  speak. Please say your name and  address before  you speak. We ask you to please  be courteous and respectful of the  views for others and personal attacks  on county members, county staff,  or members of the  public. This is discouraged. Our  first speaker is  Rashid Hakim.  >> Rashida Hakim 36  Palm Drive. Roger cannot be here  fortunately with us today and has  prepared these words  which I read on his behalf. At your last  meeting Tuesday, October 15 homeowners  of Ormond by this he gave advance  notice we would present the petition  requesting a proper scientific study  to investigate whether the septic  system in or meant by this he makes  a significant contribution to the  pollution in the Halifax River.  Here's the petition, copies of which  the councilmembers were given the  last member. And has 1017 signatures.  409 signed on paper  and further submitted electronically.  Additional signatures will be collected  until the proposed study begins.  The meeting of the  environmental councils Flagler and  Ormond County, on the topic of conversion  of  Ormond by the sea  from septic to sewer, it was mitigated  that the panel needed  to be addressed. I agree. This sounds  like a very good idea. However,  I recommend that at least 2 of the  members of this panel should be  knowledgeable representatives of  Ormond by the Sea homeowners. On  the other hand the statement was  made of the environmental counsel  that out, additional testing might  be necessary from a political standpoint  even though it cannot add to the  current scientific knowledge.".  The homeowners of Ormond by the  sea are not asking for political  palliative and are not asking for  another piece of garbage that politicians  can claim  justifies their way how septic sisters  might be plenty the Halifax River.  We are requesting a genuine study  how well their  working to  produce  perdition. Anything less than this is a total waste  of time, effort, and money. We would  like to keep our private septic  systems in Ormond by the Sea . I  like septic sewer  systems,  probably maintain systems don't  pollute the environment. There aren't  massive pipes to break and don't  need electricity to option as design.  Ask yourself, and  a central sewage system how it's  raw or partially treated sewage  is dumped on the land or the waterways  when the sewer pipe breaks or the  electricity is cut off for several  days after a severe storm or hurricane.  If you don't know ask the people  in Tampa Bay or Saint Augustine.  Pollution in the Halifax River and  Tomoko basin can be cleanout, not  by converting septic systems to  central sewers, but by applying  known and tested that the work.  But you need to know what needs  to be done then you have to do it.  This concludes the portion prepared  by Roger. I'd like to address the  nature of the testing and study  we are requesting. Evidence of septic  pollution in the water where they  can be obtained via water samples  is not sufficient as there are septic  systems in use on both sides of  the river including the new development  on the loop as well as systems and  many other points of the river.  The testing needs to be designed  and executed in such a way that  there is definitive proof that pollution  is specifically from our systems  in Ormond by the Sea .  Thanks for  your consideration.  >>Thank you  for that.  >>Good morning and Samantha at 36  Palm Drive, Ormond by the Sea .  Can speak on behalf of my neighbor  Janet who could not be  here today. To quote her in my 3  minutes I'd like to tell  you a story. Over a week ago we  were collecting  signatures we just started when  we noticed an old man sitting in  a wheelchair in the hot sun on the  opposite side of the road. He was  trying to cross. This was in the  chair with wheels that  could turn to be moved it was a  push chair with small wheels and  handlebars at the back for somebody  else to push. It was 10 AM Saturday  morning and and when I was busy.  There wasn't much break in the two-way  traffic and it was quite difficult  to push the small wheels of  his chair onto the road service to get it  to move across. The driver of the  UPS truck noticed our problem and  stopped his truck so that we could  get across. And SUV traveling south  so what was happening and stopped.  Shielded by those two vehicles we  pushed the old man and his chair  safely across the road. And when  we did there were 6 vehicles behind  the UPS tracking 4 behind the SUV.  Not one sounding the horn, hollered,  or  expressed distress at being delayed they  just sat and patiently waited until  the wheelchair was across the road  and out of the way. They then continued  their journey. We were in Ormond  by the sea. What I've just described  to  you is the behavior we expect and  we'd like to keep it that way. The  elderly man in the wheelchair was  a retired Army Captain and we made  sure he had plenty of water. Another  helper took him and his wheelchair  where he wanted to go in  Ormond Beach. If our septic  systems are reporting the river  and we don't think they are, if  you think we are polluting we believe  is your responsibility to prove  it. We don't plan to change or give  you any of our money until  you do. We do not want the kind  of people Ormond Beach has for phonetic  overdevelopment 30 city sewers will  bring to our community. Leave us  alone, thank you.  The county should not  interfere with the city of Ormond  Beach's plan to impose a  sewer system according to Jamie  Seaman deputy county  attorney only the County Counsel  can impose a tax or special assessment  on the property that may bear cost  of installing the  sewer system. City of Ormond Beach  would have to ask the County Counsel  to take a vote on behalf of the  city and they stated that the County  Counsel would need to grant permission  to  the city of  Ormond Beach to run the sewers.  This is a county issue and revolves  County involvement. Clark Shields 20 C Harbor Drive.  I'm not  on septic because C bridge along  with other homes has its own wastewater  treatment plant. I'm aware that  at  some point for people  on septic. I like so many others  think the onus is on Ormond to  provide the proof of the pollution  and the Halifax River. If they require  Ormond by the seat to connect they  will dig  up county roads and it will be the  county's responsibility to have  them prepared there was a letter  sent to the county and I'd like  to know what the county's response  is. You'd be doing a disservice  to the LVS residents by not informing  them of ongoing basis is up all  that you and the city are discussing. All  I keep hearing is that your hands  are tied. The county needs  to be proactive and not depend on  the city alone to solve the pollution  problem in the Halifax River. They  were relying on unreliable information  from the Florida health department  report where it was stated by the  environmental administrator for  [  Indiscernible ] I quote there's nothing in this  report that should be used to said  that septic systems can or cannot  go in an area if you're looking  at a lot by lot level. Halifax River  has several pollutants. One being  runoff of fertilizer. This is a  place we  should start. This would be easier  and cheaper than doing $1 million  city by ripping  up roads and yours to create an  unneeded costly expense of the residence  causing people to connect to a wastewater  system that we know is  dumping untreated into the water.  Increase jobs by hiring more  people to  enforce the fertilizer bad. Do extensive  education programs for the county  to help people understand the importance  of the harmful effects of fertilizer  on the environment. Send Ormond  to do a test  of the Halifax before and after  to see if there is  an  improvement. I know this many other  ideas that would be innovative and  cheaper to help the pollution problem  in the river. Possibly talking to  experts about the stagnation about  this part Halifax. The bottom line  is that the county needs to play  a role and not shirk responsibilities  to  the residents. At a  time when more and more people don't  trust government and feel they are  not represented definitely testing  needs to be done and proof needs  to be provided for anyone to have  trust and faith are respect for  this process. Thank you to  head of post for listening and caring  about this issue and the residence.  Hopefully she can do testing for connection to  sewer to make sure the county looks  into alternatives to solve this  problem fixed .  >> Donna Craig 23 River  shore Drive. I think everybody in this room  is in favor of protecting the environment.  I think everybody in this room is  willing to take responsive the for  our own contributions to the pollution  in the Halifax River. The citizens  of Ormond by the sea are being told  that our septic systems are major  sources of pollution to  the Halifax River  and the Tomoko River basin. We are being  asked to pay for  conversion from adequate functioning  septic systems  to a sewer system but from what  I've heard, is failing  and stressed beyond  capacity. The  problem of the septic system  in Ormond by the sea being a pollution  source and all the  sciences that I have seen indicate  that it's not true. The opposite  appears to be the case. I've seen  studies that show that the  area around Ormond by the sea in  the north pull  and saw is a perfect environment  for and adequately run septic system.  Tests need to be  done that proved the adequate functioning  septic systems that are already  in place are the  source of the solution. Only then will we  be able to find an intelligent solution  for fixing  the problem.  Let's come up with a solution don't  put the cart before the horse  before we know what the  problem is. I've heard of other  were areas around the state  that have asked people to get those  septic systems tested  and  regularly maintained. This might  be a cheaper solution for everyone  involved. I think we can get behind  the solution but only once we find  the source of  the problem.  >> Suzanne Scheiber 548 Sand  Oaks Boulevard. On Wednesday the  12th I met with Commissioner Dwight  Selby at  his office we discussed septic to  sewer conversion for  two hours. I was asked to provide  a letter of support. I declined  to do further research on the issue.  I intended all but one meeting and  I'm confused nor misunderstood  or in Ormiston foreign. After my  meeting I chose to tour the Ormond  wastewater plant. This plant has  its fair share of problems that  can be found on  the website. Partially treated affluent  the Reverend with  chemicals, pharmaceuticals, and  toxins. These pollutants are not  required to be removed and this  is unacceptable. October 29 the  Ormond Observer reported 5  pre-treatments pumping tanks are  broken. I drove up Beech Street  and saw the new construction discovering  it was being  built using  conventional septic systems. This  is about the environment so were  the systems being ignored. The new  construction is about 200 plus homes  located on the west side  of Halifax. This is being ignored.  The fertilizer band is not being  enforced in Ormond. While I  research this environmental groups  are being solicited for letters  of support. It occurred to me that  many would not the local information  at this covered on my own.  The decision that cost millions  of dollars to the city of Ormond,  Volusia County, the state of Florida,  the government and most of all  the citizens requires full disclosure.  Ultimately the Commissioner is responsible  for  not disclosing all the issues related  to the water that I had found out  in his own pursuit of conversion  not using a science back report.  This is a statement from the  attorney. If the city expects the  property owners to share in the  expense  of installing the sewer system then  the Council would be involved because  service area is an unincorporated  county and only the County Counsel  can impose a tax or assessment on  the properties that there any of  the cost of installing a sewer system.  The Council  is responsible for Ormond by  the sea and will be asked for funds  by the project. That is to be a  comprehensive holistic discussion  on concurrency. Why are old outdated  pipes not replaced along  Volusia County. I support the testing  to find out where the pollution  is coming from and I ask you to  look at  a science-based report. We all care  about our water in  Volusia County.  >> Michael McBride 58 River Drive Ormond  by  the sea. There's a number of advantages  to septic systems as opposed to  sewer lines. They use less energy  and have a smaller environmental  impact since wastewater  is not pumped over long distances  to be processed at water treatment  facilities. If the city of Ormond  Beach is successful in his plan,  the planning  having  sewage pump under the Halifax River  to a treatment facility on the mainland.  This has potential overtime to become  a major environmental disaster.  If and when that line ruptures.  -- Charlotte -- the  Charlotte County homeowners  are being  forced upon this. The county is  offering 20 or loans at 7% interest  rate. Not exactly a low  interest rate. And property owners  are forced onto  gravity system. They would also  have to pay the  hookup fees. Is requiring low  pressure systems that are more complex  and more pricey and business owners  pay as much is 13,000. The county  claims these changes will help  prevent  algae and water crisis is.  The governor task force said that  the Melissa pull  sewer plants dare to be a bigger  problem that concerns  exist about waste management in  Florida not just  septic systems.  On Monday, October 7 at a meeting  in Gainesville members of the public  were shocked to find that many Florida  cities still have wooden pipes in  the ground. Recommendations  from the blue-green algae task force  identified  problems including agricultural operations. City wastewater  treatment plants. On site sewage  disposal systems and urban  storm runoff. They believe the answer  is better regulation of all  the about.  >> I  did some soil testing I drove  a pipe 10 feet down under my drain  field and got soil  samples. There's not a just  nitrogen and phosphorus in the ground  to grow a blade  of grass. You guys this is  a farce and it's all about development.  Driven by development.  Has nothing to  do with this. If you were concerned  you'd take that discharge  pipe out like Miami  does. Don't put it in the river.  That contains a lot of things you  cannot filter out. Chemicals and  pollutions and then during the storms  you open the gate valves. Your main  pipe that runs down a when it has  a broken gate valve that you guys  won't pay for. It's  broken and the man from professional  pipe can't do his job. I had them  by my motel for over  a week, the problem is  is that you guys use undersized  rings and your couplings so all  the rings have slid down the pipe  and are all gathered up and you  won't pay to  fix it so if you cannot maintain  what you have put in and why should  we connect to  it. It's is a disaster waiting to  happen.  You have no idea and you need to  look into a professional pipe  company. The guy knows exactly what's  going on because you hired him and  he's the best in the country. I  talked with him extensively he says  those rings are the problem because  they are down the pipes  they need to be removed  and the valve has to be replaced.  That's why he spent the whole week  trying to clear that plug so why  do you want us to connect to something  that doesn't work that's just ridiculous.  On top of  that when you get all your impact  fees in your forcing  people out of their houses because  they won't be able to  afford this. This is wrong, unethical,  and illegal. The only person who  stands to gain his real  estate people. They will gain from  this because the housing prices  will  go up. It is unethical and illegal  and you guys should be shot. This  is all just  very wrong.  >>For those of you who are  willing  to stay online I will address your  comments at the end of the meeting.  This is your time.  John Nicholson.  >> Since I was here last 2  articles peered in the news Journal.  One was the number of people  who have died in recurrence and  the other [ Indiscernible ] One  you discussed in  the past.  What the city manager of  Daytona Beach has done. We need  to we develop that. The reason these  buildings are there  is because it was free land. The  city gave it to  you because you  should have done is put those of  buildings next to the courthouse  and the bus terminal to get  synergy. That's what  downtown is. Tall  buildings, people, businesses. If  you look at Daytona Beach everything  is spread out.  One-story buildings on the main  streets because we didn't go up  we went out. So we consider, you  want to redo the property so put  those buildings together on  that property and  go up. I know I've said it before but  we had a presentation for Mayor  Richie and they said if you do this  design you'll  enhance your beaches and have a  permanent 400 foot each  year  around. Hotel people would love  that. We still have four  major hotels down from the hurricane  three years ago. That's generations  of money that you're  not getting. All of our businesses  that rely on those people and all  the restaurants are not getting  that supply. You were asked to do  something about  the environment. For once the GOP  has decided that there is a problem  with the environment. That there  is a problem with the oceans. There  is and we can  see it. It's up to the seawall.  This is  a free proposition to you guys and  doesn't cost you  a dime. It's only gonna  take 4 to do the city of Daytona  Beach it would take 10 to do the  entire County. It would be the only area on the  East Coast with no current [  Indiscernible ] I'm asking you  to take the time to look into it.  If it works, free is a  good price.  >> We will resume back here at  10 AM. >> For those of you who are here trying  to leave or come and sit down were  starting the meeting in about  2 minutes.  >> We will call the meeting to order  at 10 AM November 5. And Jerome  will speak. I  will ask councilmembers to  please  stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.  Those who would like to join us  may do so  as well.  >>Good morning councilmembers thanks  for inviting the religious society  of friends to be here with you.  Our mode of worship is in silent.  We are listening for the truth of  God in the silence so I invite you  to join me for a brief moment of  silence in the Quaker form  of worship. I pledge allegiance to  the flag of the United States of  America. And to the republic for  which it stands. One nation, under  God, indivisible, with liberty and  justice  for all. >> [ Attendance being taken  ]  At  this point let's see if anybody  has a comment on any of the consent  agenda  is?  >>For discussion and information  only. I  have item  1. Any other  comments?  Motion moved.  >>Motion made to  second. Any other comments  on that?   Any objections?  Hearing none the  motion  is approved. Look at item  I  1.  >>Thank you this is just an immediate  response to a citizen that requested  councils  help for Texas.  >>There's noise outside can we get  that  quieted down  >> If I  recall right. 
     This item is where a citizen came  before us the needed relief on  his taxes?  >>Correct. It's a  relief on the lien on his property  from his parents that he  inherited. There had been a fire  on the property and it was left  in an unsafe condition. They  were not able to  address that condition so we  had to address it. When we do  that we charge the property and  in that case a lien was  placed. Upon the inheritance of  the property the lien goes with  that property. This  gentleman asked for some relief  of the interest that had occurred  over the years.  >>This is  good work  for Council directed staff to go  back to see if we could work a relationship  out with the citizen to give him  some relief so he could  have reasonable enjoyment of the  property that he inherited. I just  think this is good work for  everyone who worked on it. I remember  you coming before us this  was just one meeting ago. So government  can work quickly when we need to.  Thank you staff this was just  great work.  >>I think the point about  this one is that we are ensuring  that there is no liens or taxes  placed on a property owner that  far exceeds the actual intent  of the property. So as long as we  are going back and  making amends on that I think that's  fantastic. We talked to staff and  asks you to come back in short  order to address about making  this are standard  SOP so we are not  doing that in the future. For the  rights of  the homeowners.  >> Item 2. >>Morning chair and members  of councils. Seeking to implement  one of the laws passed from the  2019 legislative session us to  small wireless facilities. In March  you adapted an  ordinance and adopted standards  that essentially implemented  the law and effect. This is  an area where both law and state  have regulated this issue and largely  preempted local authorities when  it comes to wireless companies  who wish to install these facilities  in our county right away. The proposed  ordinance today provides for some  minor adjustments to what  you adopted in March. It changes  the maximum antenna size permitted  for small cell antenna from  the current three cubic feet limit  to 6 cubic feet and that's from  state law  standard. It changes how the height  is calculated under the  ordinance currently with the tower  a poll that cannot exceed  50 feet, but  could be adjusted if a wireless  facility  added and currently your ordinance  provides that the 50 foot height  cannot exceed  the additional 10%. The legislator  changed it to be an additional  10 feet. Lastly  it changes the nomenclature of  your current ordinance to require  a  performance bond of the company  to install these facilities with  your right away if  they damage. The legislator requires  us to call the construction bond  rather than a performance bond.  But in effect it's what we got in  place already. That's the extent  of the primary change to this ordinance.  We  do have a picture of  some examples shared with us from  the Florida Association County  attorney  of co-location. Examples  were over --  I've got your assistant  County engineer here and she confirms  we are starting  to get applications in though we  have not had one approved because  we are still requesting information  but we are starting to see  it coming.  >>This is a public  hearing and no one is wishing to  speak so without objection I will  close the public hearing section  do I have  a motion?  >> >>The motion to approve ordinance  for small cell wireless  fatility -- [  Indiscernible ] I wanted to ensure that we posted  a photo of this that it  was online as a part of the agenda  for the towers. Because  I know there is a lot of misinformation  out there in terms of I mean I've  heard that these are refrigerator  sized and  have heard a lot of things across  the board as to what exactly  is entailes. Obviously this is being  pushed down from the state legislature  that this is the size. The typical  size of  those  small wireless things., What  you call  them.  >>Small cell facilities that are  being added. So they aren't very  large it's not going  to be terribly  horrible. But the point we need to look at is  that this is wonderful for Volusia  County in the fact that we are starting  to look ahead and starting to look  at what is  coming with 5G. I know our  staff has been doing a lot of that  in the background. It's fantastic  because  we need to make sure we are at the  forefront and not just responsive  to the legislator in this  area. I say it all the time.  We are top 10 the population in  top 11 and landmass so we should  be up there in  everything else.  This is good.  Thank you.  >>I know we started looking at this  over to two years ago in the city  of Ormond Beach. We knew it  was coming. If there's anything  that disturbs me about it. There's  nothing we  can do about it. The state allows  larger small cells than the federal  government allows. So that kind  of bothers me unless  they figure that  the  small cells work then why would  the state figure they had to  do larger. I was told the answer  to  that was. I will leave the answer  and let you guess what it might  have been but to go  for larger as opposed to what the  federal government does. That bothers  me because they don't have to be  this large. I  have no objection to it.  >>Any  further discussion?  Hearing objections  the motion passes unanimously let's  move on to item number three.  The proposed vacation for the plat  of  Shady rest. This is the public  hearing portion.  >>Good morning County  engineer  Tad. The petitioners Mr. Sutherland  and Mr. and Mrs. Pat will check  our requesting the vacation of  the Shady rest plat located east  of  Lake Helen 
     the petitioners are requesting a  vacation of this  plat in 2 part in conjunction with  working with the county staff. The  phasing of it is shown on  page 0/3/8.  The first page that would be vacated  is the yellow section including  a majority of the road right of  ways as well  as the lake and parks that are dedicated  to the public and the majority of  the  blocks. After the first phase is  vacated the petitioners will be  required to address 3 conditions.  The first of which is the dedication  of the right-of-way necessary for  Kicklighter  which  is Meadow Avenue on the west side  becoming Forest Street on the south  side. Current  standards for right-of-way are  70 feet. Their donation would bring  us to that full with as well as  addressing the corner where it makes  the turn from north to south to  east to west does not meet  current designs they would give  us  an easement in the future to  allow to correct that to bring it  up to current standards. As well  as that step they would  need to go ahead and swap some property  for access purposes between the  two of them and provide  necessary access to make sure they  can access  the property. The final portion  is combining the remaining lot shown  here in blue to meet the minimum  lot size for the lot size  it's required to be 2 1/2 acres.  Once that's  done then the remainder in the blue  will automatically be vacated.  They've had no objections from the  utilities and the staff  recommends approval.  >> Good  morning just as far as the  conditions we are actually have  submitted the deed for easements  to  County staff. We've  gone ahead and got a notice  of intent to approve  the lot combination and  other conditions. I anticipate soon  to send a letter  to issue the lot combination approval.  We've  done everything the county staff  has wanted to do we have  worked well with them and I think  we are ready  to go. >> Move  resolution proposed .  >>A motion has been made and seconded  by Johnson. Any discussion  before  closing.  >>Any objections to the motion?  Hearing none the motion passes  unanimously. Let's take a 5 minute  break before moving on to the  next item. Was to item number four  first then take  a break.  >> I have for you  today Brad  who's here for approval  to be our new  extension service director. The  Florida statute provides  that the University  of Florida and  the extension programs work together  with the program with the county  to provide counsel to approve the  selection that the University of  Florida has made  and brought to us for our extension  services director. I've met  with  him before you've got his  impressive resume in your  package and the University of  Florida sent  representatives down  to talk to me and assured me we  are actually getting one of the  best extension service agents  in  the state. We are top 10  County and according to  what they say we've got a top 2  extension service agent.  >>Can you please repeat  that.  >>What we have  here today. His  credentials  are  impeccable. In talking with him,  I think his management style is  exactly the type of manager we need  in  that situation. His position works  heavily with our agricultural community.  We are lucky he was born and  raised here. He grew  up here. He served his first professional  system in our school system teaching  as the  agricultural teacher. So he's got  a lot of roots here in Volusia County  and we are happy he has chosen to  come  back home.  >>Is almost like the circle of life  here. Good morning.  Because before he  got started. Donna brought him up  and introduced him to me.  When I  was in school you came and spoke  to my FAA class. So yes. I am old.  But we welcome you and the  new generation.  Gave for new Smyrna Beach. Welcome  on board it's  an honor. Do we need a motion on  this?  >>I move approval of our new County  extension  service director.  >>Seconded.  >>Any objections to  the motion? Without objection the motion passes  unanimously. Thank you and welcome  aboard.  >>[  Applause ] I'd like  to say it's good to be back home.  I've been gone for 16 years and  it makes me happy to be back close  to my family to give back to the  community that has given me so much.  Thanks to Donna and the community  manager for believing in my vision.  My goal  is to strengthen the partnership  between the University of Florida  and the county to see how we can  bring our 5000 experts in the  University to solve the problems  that we have here in  our county to be relevant and responsible  to our citizens. So thank you so  much for this  opportunity.  >>All right.  Item 7. >>Donna Butler. Before you today  is the 1920  core contact. The core  contract is an annual contract between  the state of Florida Department  of Health and the County of Volusia.  It lines up where all  the funding sources are coming from  to make sure the health department  has what it needs to do its job.  Our total contribution  is about $2.6 million we've got  a direct cash contribution to the  health department of over  $1.7 million. An indirect contribution which  means we pay those expenses on their  behalf. It still a calf expenditure  it just doesn't go to to the health  department. The total cash contribution  is $2.4 million. By Florida law  we are required to provide facilities  and we own several of them so we  don't charge  the rent.  The $1.7 million will be paid directly  to them over 12  months. Providing indirect funding  for building, rent, insurance, everything  listed here  approximately 750,000. Any questions?  Happy  to answer.  >> I  move approval hold on is the  wrong one.  >> Anybody second that?  >>Any further discussion?  Any objections  or motion  to approve.  >>[  Indiscernible ] That's approved unanimously without  objection. Let's move to  item 8 unless the phone  calls ready.  >>Jeff. Any word on  the phone? >>On item 6.  The opioid negotiation class.  We've got available for phone call  Jeff G  from Pensacola. If there's no questions were going  to place the call before we pick  up the item.  >>Let's do what you need to do with  the opioid the  litigation class. Explain what  that is. 
     I understand that each of  us have gone through this. But if  those questions that need to be  answered obviously we'd like to  have  him answered. This is brought to  you today because there's a  negotiation class with  all the local government cities  and counties in this case. Not  the  other types .  >>For those online this is a legal  term. A  class-action suit not a place that  were going to  study.  >>Were hoping to  learn something.  >>On the cases that have been brought  which are more  than 2000, these are all being presided over  by one  judge in the northern district  of Ohio.  Those are consolidated  for the purpose of  pretrial proceedings. Those  are all being handled by one judge  and that judge has certified negotiation  class  and there's the memorandum  we  gave you . It  consists of two types  of members. The  litigating entities  of which Deltona Beach and the  law [  Indiscernible ] There's  a methodology  spelled out the reason the matter  is before you  for voting and for the  settlement, if there is  a settlement. The reason  is brought to you today is because  the court order provides that  if you -- you must  opt out by the 22nd otherwise  you're in. If you remain in  you agree to the  settlement that might be arrived.  So effectively you're making that  decision so by the methodology  we bring it to you today so you've  got the opportunity to say rather  go to  court separately. Our counsel  does not recommend that. But  it's your decision  to make. In  the way of new information not related  to the class decision  before you, the Attorney General.  49 of 50 states  have  filed cases. Moody  has requested 
     so you think we should stay a  part of [ Indiscernible ]  >>Let's just make a motion. Seconded  by Lowery. Any questions on this  or discussion?   Any objections of  the motion? Hearing none the motion passes  unanimously and we don't need her  5 minute break for phone  call.  >>Thank you.  >> Just for the record this is the  public hearing in the public  portion is open. Nobody wishes to  speak at  this point. Maybe I spoke too quickly  on  that one. Is 10:30 AM so  let's proceed with  item 5.  >>Before you today is an  application to accept the special  attention  for the event Center located at  29 S. State Road 14.  This property /they  are seeking to come forward  and meet the conditions established  in section 72.293 which sets into  place what are the requirements  for a  rural event center. On the screen  our pages up to  532 describing the location aerial  of the subject property.  As you can see it's in a rural setting  and the majority of the property  surrounding it has similar or  larger parcels. There's the recommendation that  was sent onto the PL DRC in their  September meeting.  At the September meeting of the  PL DRC, the PL DRC  recommended unanimously for approval  this application. 
     There's  criteria established 
     coming to with these recommendations  of approval. Applicants are here  if there's any questions for staff  we are here  as well.  >> Things are going well. No teachers  this time.  >>I Mark the director of  planning with Rhonda who's the principal of  our into Royal management. The owner  of the property Rhonda lives on  site  with her fiancé  Steve they actively keep animals  on the property it's an active far.  As you  is heard this was formally the site  of a vintage fair operated by  the former owners from  2014 until the time they sold the  property  to Rhonda. 
     There was no history of any issues  with the neighbors and Rhonda has  gone door to door to meet with each  of these neighbors to  answer  their questions. I want to  indicate that we are way that  later on there's an item that going  to be  discussing for criteria to the  special exception  Rhonda 
     is going to provide him of the email  to code enforcement indicating what  events will be  coming up. We request your approval  thank you.  >> A  special exception of a rural  event center for  property located at 1279 S. State  new  Smyrna Beach [  Indiscernible ]  >>Vintage a fair did hold events  they have not gone through this  process obviously. But they held  weddings  and other events.  >>So they were doing basically the  same thing but  not  permitted?  >>I reside at 1279 S.  State Road  I'm  Rhonda. Terry , Donna, from the vintage fair they  own the feed store in new Smyrna.  They did  events  and it was an  existing business. >>I  wanted this to be a rural event  center I wanted it  to be safe and I wanted to  comply with all of the zones. I  don't want to worry about bringing  out machines and animals and cleaning  it up to have an event. I am  willing to comply and work with  you to make  it what  you want.  >> Because we  are discussing it later and  not actually approving or disapproving  standards to add any notifications  you said you be  willing to do that on your own is  that correct?  >>What do you  mean?  >>We are in process and it does  not apply  to us I  wanted to comply to staff if there's  anything for the concerns  of course. Thanks and good luck  to  your business. [ Indiscernible -  Multiple  Speakers ]  >> This set up a red flag for me I  heard two things. When you opened  up you said you understood  this counsel. You said you're willing to comply  then into the dialogue you said  it doesn't apply to  us.  >>It doesn't apply to us if you  make the condition of approval which  were willing to comply with.  >>So  I'm hearing this stage. Were setting policy  as you  know. And I have gone around this  mountain several times with  things like the agree, we will comply,  but then when push comes to shove  it's like well that was right before  you pass an agenda item  and legally it really doesn't apply  to us.  >>Unless you make it a condition  of approval. Which were excepting.  >>That's I'm going. That's where  I'm going. So to  be clear I'm not sure if that's  what I'm going. But  when you give  two types of different scenarios  to us  to pass 
     are you comfortable  with  this.  >>I am. I think there's a  scenario where you can have  an event , I don't want to be the person  putting anyone in danger so yes  I willing to comply. I want to comply.  I've got no problem sharing my calendar.  >>Is the flipside of it. It would  be unreasonable my question  to you is  should counsel pass that ordinance  even with revisions. Are you comfortable  with that?  >>I want to be very clear.  I know there are growing pains and  I'm willing to comply. I  think what you're doing for Volusia  County  by changing for safety reasons and  all the venues have been shut down  I'm very aware of that. I think  that there are  reasons. And  safety first. I want to be able  to give the weddings you  know there's memorable.  I want to have a barn that will  entertain and  I willing to do what I need to do.  If you want to share  my calendar.  I've got nothing booked. I refuse  to book anything right now.  >>I understand that. It's good well.  >>I understand where you're going  with all of this. I know it's  for a good reason and I'm willing  to comply.  >>With that I've got  a question.  >>I need legal to weigh in  on this. Are you asking  a question?  >>I am.  I will.  >>Again I don't know what counsel  is going to do in an  upcoming agenda item.  But how is it possible legally that  we could have fixed this by putting  that before this item. That is really  what should've happened. Just  saying. It would have taken counsel  out of the circle right  now. How I mean what would  an amendment look like or the motion  look like to  include them should  it pass whatever the version is  from this  counsel.  >>Later this afternoon we are discussing  whether to amend the ordinate. That  would then come back to  future  counsel meetings.  >>I understand all of that so [  Indiscernible ] [ Indiscernible  - Multiple  Speakers ]  >> >>Let me clarify this for  quickly. The council has  the right to put on additional conditions  for the special section that  they deem appropriate. So you've  got an applicant that says they  are willing to accept  the conditions you're placing on  their.  >>I understand. But  this counsel if they  don't move forward with that topic  she doesn't want to impose something  on this applicant that nobody else  will have to comply with.  >>But that will take care of itself  and the motion.  >>What you got an applicant  is voluntarily accepting of that.  So regardless of what you do with  item 10 later on. If they are willing  to comply with that in my opinion  there's no harm no foul it's just  an additional condition.  >>With all due respect we are not  an opinion we are  a policy.  >>I think I have a solution. You  can add a condition that  she will comply with any ordinance  that the counsel  adopts  requiring notification for the calendar  provided to County staff.  >>You can word it more simple  than that. That's  kind of broad Mr. chair. Way too  broad.  >>I don't want this to be punitive.  That's not what I'm  looking for.  >> This really is an important  point in process it could have been  cleaned up.  >>Nope, because were not going to  approve it. What we do on item 10  goes back to PL DRC then comes back  to us  after that. So it would not have  been cleared up by  moving it.  >>That is true to.  >>I think we are  overthinking this.  >>Just a minute. Let  us finish this part were trying  to arrive at something we have  to do.  >>So I'm going to  pass to the rest of my colleagues  because I'd like to hear what they  have to say. I have shared my thought  is in process  I know it's all good will and  I support your motion hundred percent.  That's not going to change.  >>I think a consent  should be done by Ms. post amending  her original motion that says  she  will comply.  I think you're agreeable with this and  you can be done  do it.  >>Anybody can amend that we've got  a motion on the floor so rather  than taking this one apart we can  amend the motion. We are looking  for the wording that  satisfies legal you know that satisfies  me with what you've  just said.  >>I  am asking. Not making an amendment  to grandfather her and to future  stuff and getting into that. She's  willing to do it.  Couldn't you, this is for you Mark.  Can't you just put that into the  contract  saying that if she's telling us  she wants to do that can you put  that in the contract?   Can she put it in there  saying that she's doing that?  >>We agree with the additional criteria  is for her specifications.  >>Having nothing to do with  that amendment. If you're willing  to do that then why are we going  through all of this.  >>Because we've got to be in this  special condition.  >>That  won't work.  >>We've got to create something  that applies to everyone.  >>They were  in agreement but they don't  know what.  >>When counsel does a special exception.  Counsel set the conditions.  The only condition that is a part  of your motion right now is the  ones that is issued. When  they issued that authorization you  all have to had the conditions to  put in  the letter.  >>I moved  to amend, to  simply say that  the applicant  is willing  to report.  >>Let's let Jamie do  this wording.  >> I was waiting. You know but nobody.  >>All right just give Jamie.  >>Add  an additional condition that the  applicant will provide a monthly  calendar for all the events held  at the center.  >>This the motion. The amendment  is to be  seconded by  Lowery.  >>We've got a motion and an amendment  to the motion to the applicant to  provide a monthly calendar for  the event scheduled to  be presented before the events.  There's no timeframe or anything  like that. Will present  the calendar in  advance. That's included in your  motion for the special exception.  Is that okay?  >>That's what I understood it to  be and I'm okay  with that.  >>You can add any condition you'd  like  >>All  right. Added.  >>Any other further  discussion?  >>Yes. I think possibly in the future  it might be a good idea if the applicant  is willing to add some thing saying  they're willing to  do something. That they just say  that and write to us and it doesn't  need to be a part of the special  exception.  >>That's usually done in advance  prepared  with legal.  >>However that needs to be done.  >>That's what should've been done.  >>It's just we are trying to get  this in the process so they  can go to the process of constructing  a building to house the event. We  are trying to work  through this. For any  further discussion in the amendment.  Eddie discussion to  amend. Heating that the amendment  passes. Any further discussion on  the motion is amended.  Any objections. >>Let's go to  item 8. >> That's  you Jamie.  >>Sorry, I was pulling up  my agenda.  >>This is the request from the Corporation  for Council endorsement of a special  act to create the park stewardship  district.  These districts  to cross county lines are done by  special law of the legislator. The  state statutes require the local  governments for  resolution for the  special district. This district  will have some  taxing authority and the ability  to set special assessments.  Once  those assessments or taxes are used  to build infrastructure it will  be owned by  the district there's several things throughout  the state of  Florida of a Maria being  the oldest for special stewards  of districts. >>I assume this is a  public hearing. [ Indiscernible ] Not that I oppose  this I think it's great. The Corporation  has been good  to us. The 40,000 acres is fantastic  we could never have been able to  afford  it. I'm hearing that it  sounds like they are paying for  all the of the structure at their  expense. It saves us in the long  run. Disney got certain deals when  it went through but I've got problems  with the lottery.  I remember Orlando when I was a  kid was the size  of Deberry.  >> That's not the issue. They are asking  us they are not asking about Disney.  >>They are asking us whether we  would object or not.  >>I am allowing you the freedom  to speak.  >>Not when you tie my hands.  >>The reason I question is because  the problem is in the past. So I'm  asking that you be careful of unintended  consequences that there is nothing  here that will guide us in the butt  like Atlantic City got bitten in  the butt like  Orlando did. Daytona Beach gets  bitten all the time with sales tax  so be very careful  that whatever happens in the future,  that we don't get shafted is accounting  for funding.  >>That is all.  >>Thank you  >>I'm Glenn I represent the Miami  Corporation. I want to talk about  that for a second. Because.  It's important  to recognize.  >>I'm having a hard time  hearing everybody.  >>How about now is  is better?  >> Bottom line is this.  We've kept our promises. We made  3 main promises to you before when  we passed. One of  them was that we were going to  protect and preserve 75% of  our property. We have done that.  We've put over 45,000  acres in conservation easements  right now. Some of them are in the  hunting areas that provide for hunting  and preservation for perpetuity.  We did that without cost  to the taxpayers because that was  one of our promises. What this stewardship  does is, typically providing for infrastructure  improvements. This stewardship allows  us to protect  and maintain far more than  that. It allows us to protect and  preserve and maintain those conservations  to get invasive species removed  from this conservation areas. This  allows for a to happen so the easements  in the area are  natural and Florida  areas. We made a promise to  you that this  would be a sustainable development.  A sustainable project. We've done  that. We've worked with you to create  a master  DLI we've created a conservation  management plan that you created  that you passed that  Audubon  supported. Everything we have done  has been consistent with  our promises.  We promised that this project would  be fiscally neutral  to the taxpayers of Volusia County.  That means it wasn't going to cost  Volusia County any money.  So this does what we talked about.  It's an assessment on ourselves  to allow us to pay the  infrastructure development within  this area. For  things like bike trails.  The expansion of the bike trail  system. Things that will be able  to be used by the public as time  goes on that you're not required  to  pay for. Just because  of the fact that were working  on something. Something that's consistent  with what the county wants us to  do. That doesn't mean that  we will necessarily be required  to maintain it. If  I'm doing a public road that's accepted  by the County. The maintenance would,  we still be with the county. If  I'm doing  in interstate interchange I'm not  required to maintain that interstate  interchange if that's except by  the state. So that what I'm doing.  If we  are doing individual roads within  those private roads then yes we  are required to  maintain it. The bottom  line is. This is simply a  mechanism to allow us to  meet  our promises. We've already  got 2 CDs in place. Each  of these can only be about  thousand  acres. Because the city or county  can  only create the city of 1000 acres.  >>Can you say what the  CDD is?  >>Community development district  that basically allows us to assess  ourselves to pay for infrastructure.  There CDCs all over the county where  they access themselves to pay this  infrastructure with things that  need to be dealt with Vieira is  a stewardship it's a new town  in essence. It basically allows  itself to be taxed to pay for what  they are  doing. The problem with the CDC  is that it  can only be up to 1000 acres and  the legislator can create a stewardship  that  we can fold those existing CDCs  into to have one single entity that  continues to monitor and provide  the assessment rather than 66  offense ones. So I think we have  worked closely and I appreciate  everything the staff has done.  As you know this is a very large  area it  63,000 acres. It actually goes over  several jurisdictions. Edgewater  has already proved and recommended  this stewardship and Brevard has  also recommended. It's Volusia's  turn and hopefully we will do the  same thing. >>Can  you clarify the last statement.  Because in our material it says  that in the amendment special law  that  requires a resolution or statement  from Brevard and Edgewater.  >>The city of Edgewater and Brevard  have  already indicated and provided  letters with  no objection.  >>Thank you out  of the 63,000 acres  what percentage is  in conservation.  >> So we've  been working on this  for years. I'm old but you're really old.  >>Yes I am.  >>Because you started on this years  ago.  >>I literally started on this 35  years ago. When I was hired by Miami  Corporation. I was hired to  prevent the paving of may  town Road. Because they  were afraid of somebody coming in  and burning down there civil culture.  Since that time we have worked to  try and plan this property correctly  as opposed to what this was going  to be which was  about 7000 ran chats with no  preservation what so ever. What  we have been able to do by working  together is to create something  that is both the best possible worlds  for natural vegetation  and  economic development.  >> It's required and we have conformed  to our promises.  >>Yes and your assessing yourself  to pay for infrastructure and you  can't get any better than  that.  >>Seriously. This is a big deal  just a small agenda item  that it's been with all these meetings  and discussions  were some were not nice.  >>I will stress this is a 40 year  plan we are just beginning the process  now. The CDD allowed us to extend  to begin this process. They  allowed us to  extend during Parkway into that area in Brevard  County. Stewardship allows us to  continue to plan for this but it's  a 40 year plan. We  are  not in a rush there's no mortgage  on the property.  >>So I'm not can be around to see  the build out and I'm just saying  I'm okay with that. So basically  what you did in your  slogan is you  changed from 7000 ran chats to  65% 75% in conservation.  >>Because it's the right way to  plan. When we did this, we brought  in the best planners across  the nation. They helped  us create a sustainable community  for  the future. So you've got things  like requiring electric charging  stations get required for like trails  you've got all of these things that  are thought about as far as what  the community's future might  be like and now we've got this community  feature to help pay for it.  >>So I move  approval for the creation to submit  a letter of no objection to  the legislative.  >> Motion made, ocean  to move.  >> >>Due to the fact that  I'm the lease  holder this I think would  be improper for me to be involved  in this vote.  >>So there might be a bend  of it to the hunting areas. I  understand that.  >>I do not know that that's reason  but I will ask legal  eagle  to confer.  >>Mr. Johnson does not have a legal  conflict. The legislator has in  your case, no benefit one way or  the other for this to occur. There's  a statute  that allows a councilmember  or commissioner to  recuse himself from the vote if  they think there might be  a perception of the conflict of  interest which is what I think Mr.  Johnson is  saying.  >>There's no legal conflict.  I think because of the hunting relationship  that  doesn't pertain.  >>He's declaring a conflict and  abstaining from the  vote.  Because it doesn't adhere to his  particular benefit.  >>Okay. We accept that. And Lou  of that we finished  this discussion. >> Vote yes.  >>Post. Yes. Wheeler. Yes. Denny's.  Yes. Kelly. Yes. And  Mr. Johnson will have to state for  the record.  >>Is to Johnson.  >>I recuse from this  vote do to the perception in reference  to me having the hunting lease on  the Miami  Corporation property. I don't know  that this would pass the smell test.  It should be recorded as  an extension.  >>The motion passes 6  to 0 with  Johnson abstaining.  >> Thank you to the county staff for  working  with us.  >> I think were ready to go to  item 10. I guess we  need to do  item 9.  >> This  item is a transportation  improvement cost allegation between  the county, Daytona  Beach. And the developer as W 30  investments LLC on integrated  LPGA products. This product is  a  600 unit subdivision on LPGA Boulevard  as a part of the  agreement the developer will pay  a proportion and  share fair of their project a total  of 1,000,000 1/2 million dollars  approximately the.'s will be  paid in 3 parts consistent with the phase  of the project gets paid as a part  of the approval for the acceptance  of the infrastructure constructed  for that phase. The  first phase will also have a potential  reduction this project runs through  the alignment  of the Don Avenue extension from  to  mocha farms Road on the east to  LPGA on the west we've agreed with  the developer to credit them the  amount of the value of the right  away that comes to their property  consistent with what we have done  on other projects.  >>The fair share  amount for the phases  will be adjusted consistent  with  our impact. Breaking here not paid inflation  factor associated  with that.  >>And a  question quick  >> Because of the  traffic and,  the busyness of  the quarter there's been  much discussion. Because  that's been a discussion let's  ensure that everybody understands  this agenda item. It's an  agenda item and correct me if  I'm wrong, and  item that is  in regard to the building of  those subdivisions >>Coming up with that it was something  we agreed  to. Other locations we don't  necessarily enter into an agreement.  But the city of  Daytona Beach  taking on this area we have been  doing so.  >>Just pointing out that this is  in response to those agreements  being made and this  happening. That the county is working  to mitigate the traffic impact and  mitigate  the impact  the Don  Avenue extension. Making sure that  everybody understands  moving forward in the process so  that we are getting more of what  needs to be done to make that  happen hopefully  in the near future or should I say  in the future, to again alleviate  some of the traffic in that area.  If any of you went to the  BC you homecoming  game. Whenever that happens it's  a wonderful event. But that stadium  traffic is backed  up on LBJ  Pa.  A motion made by  posting.  >>I'm glad you  pointed out that way  and allows that. They  could've theoretically cost a lot  of money to purchase those back.  That will be included.  Any object >>Let me add to the end of my discussion.  I think this is  a good point and I will reiterate again  that it's really important that  we as a county sit down with their  16 cities and start having discussions  about smart growth and responsible  development so that we are talking  regionally and countywide in terms  of growth.  Thank  you.  >>Item 10. This is the one that  everybody has been waiting  anxiously for.  >>At  the last meeting the county council directed  staff to bring back a discussion  as to whether or not we need to  amend our zoning ordinance. Specifically  72 point 93 to add an additional  condition to the criteria that we  utilize for rural event centers.  This concern was whether or not  staff was getting sufficient notice  as to when these events were occurring  so that we could properly  allocate and manage staff in case  there was need for code  enforcement to occur where these  things are happening. As you  are aware we don't necessarily run  weekend code enforcement so therefore  we would  have to allow  flextime to ensure we've got staff  available in case there was any  kind of concerns with the specific  events. The goal is to give sufficient  time so that we could properly plan  and implement any code  enforcement activity.  Staff prepared a general discussion  item on it and provides you with  a recommendation if you feel  this necessary, >>We  are  asked to .  >>Thanks all start the conversation.  To see where everybody wants to  go with  this one. Even based on the last  agenda item I'm struggling. Struggling  with the detail because they  sent it  to staff. My meeting  was my only  concern is , coming back with a  vice grip. That's what we  have done to the  event centers. Back and forth with staff I'd like  to hear what Mike counseling colleagues  think about  this in implimintation  going forward.  I know we need to have such a  heavy hand and I think this is  overly restrictive.  >> Thank you councilmembers. I'm glad  to hear your  say that because that was my first  feeling. That this is like advice.  I understand that certainly we  have issues about the noise  but  number one. Short of code enforcement  anyways we are  short right?  >>Correct.  >>To have somebody ready at any  given time when  we get an event calendar. I feel  this is overkill on a business that's  trying  to establish. You're going to get  a phone call. Were going to get  a phone call if there is an ordinance  noise problem anyways. So we  can implement having a  person go out there. I think this  is overkill for  our businesses. >>When I heard it it was more than  expected of staff and  if we see there is a problem then  we need to put something in  place to be able to follow up  on it. But, I think it's more of  a warning and reaching out to that  business first before putting staff  on schedule to go out and  visit these centers.  I don't agree  with it.  >> My intent is to  not have them report and do  every single drive-by. That was  not the intent in  any way.  >>Basically a management tool that  we utilize if we receive complaints  we know that we can schedule people  in Saturday's whenever  they need to go out there.  >>Right now we've got 5 code  enforcement officers for all of  Volusia County working Monday through  Friday. If we had to go into Saturday  or Sundays we try to do flextime  to minimize.  >>I don't look at this as  the government  coming in. This is a whole  new realm. We've got to figure all  of  this out. I didn't look  at this as us  getting that  from you. Intel to  me was filled interrogation cards  and  everything else and as a  detective. Information is good.  Staff knows that I like information  a lot. So the more information you  have the more you  can respond if there's  an issue. I took it  as having the Intel. The one caveat  I was saying were  getting  this information. To add more  workload to an area where we've  got tremendous workload, that simply  getting it in and filing it. So  really not a major deal on  our end. One caveat is I'm in agreement  with this simply  because it is a new realm and we  have had issues around the county.  Nothing against that event center.  I think that would  work better, we are working together  more hand-in-hand  instead of you being out there and  us only interacting with you in  certain instances. I would  say that I am for  this but I also hope that the rest  of counsel takes this is a good  reminder that we are short staffed  in  code enforcement there's a number  of areas around the county where  he definitely need code enforcement  so I hope we remember that  when it comes to budgeting. But  I think it  might be a good idea to check out  that area as well. So thank you.  >>A quick  question for clarification on the  vice grips that some feel.  Is that for the wording of section  72 that tells. All the  other things that are in there were  already in you know they already  exists. So what  your concern is is that the  rule event center owners  should provide  the written notice to specify the  date and time that the event is  scheduled  to specify the activities. Is at  a wedding is a dance is at a bar  fight. Whatever it might be. That's  what were against. That's  my concern. 
     We haven't had  any legally authorized places to  have an event. So anything that  we got was an illegal complaint  about an illegal  activity being too loud.  >>If you'd prefer to have that  wording. I thought we were  asking for a notification for  any event such as a calendar or  schedule. I don't know in my mind,  other than spelling out  how it's done, that it is a vice.  That's what I'd like, someone to  explain to me that you feel it's  too restrictive to have  the wording. 
     That's what the whole thing was  perpetrated on. The  fact that  somebody was complaining. Generally  it's someone who just wants to complain  and often times their complaining  about something that may or may  not exist.  >>Those of you have been here long  enough to know that we get complaints  and code enforcement's that don't  exist because a neighbor doesn't  like it. But what is it in this  wording that you want to change.  That's what the discussion  is about.  >>My issue is with the staffing  not with  the calendar.  >>What Clay said is preparing for  staffing in hours  and time.  >>Let's don't discuss that right  now. The issue is, I  want to arrive at. What in the language  you want  taken out. That is what you object to the  language.  >>I think it's my  turn. We got here. There's no law  enforcement that your rights and  then somebody else's rights begin.  We have a  problem with that some of these  event centers. And we told them  now that you  will do this or were going to be  there and they said yes now we  are getting a lot of complaints  because they are not doing it. Code  enforcement is short of people.  A part of this is to correct that  so that we know if there  is an event Saturday night at 8  PM. That we might want to send somebody  out there later to check  on it. It's an idea.  A way to keep  what they did. Here in the first  part it's all in place. All we are  trying to add a section 72 to  93 of the special  exceptions of a notification. Everybody  else is already there. If  I'm correct.  >>So all we have is looking at this  bottom part to be notified. That  doesn't mean we aren't going out  there but it does mean  that if somebody is stepping out  of  line that we've got an idea. Instead  of hiring a code enforcement officer  for tonight and Saturday  night and Saturday afternoon, that  we know what it is and there can's  be someone to just go out there  and check on the issue.  >>That is what was  original. Fred.  >>That was the impression that I  had. That we would set this up to  have somebody available to set this  up to be more available for the  code enforcing  scheduling. Is that when I was thinking?  Just wanted to  make sure.  >>Let me ask you. What  would happen  now if an event center on Saturday  night violated the noise. What happens  now?  >>The call  goes in, we don't have code enforcement  so it would be the center of the  share set if there was a  deputy available.  >>I still feel that this  is unnecessary. I think it's another  obligation on a business  owner and we've got  other businesses, not  event centers. But we are not asking for everybody  to notify us when they are having  events. I think this is another  tie for a business who's trying  to make it. You're going to have  rare occasions with the noise violation  and I think this is still overkill.  >>I'm glad you put it to that point.  That's the point I was missing that  nobody said. The fact is this.  How many  legal facilities like this do you  currently have 
     right now there's none with the  site  plan process 
     there's what all these barn events  that are occurring at the same  time. What we have is nobody right  now has a legal operation notifying  us that we want to be  aware of.  >>So what we've got  going forward. I have felt like  it's overreached for demand that  a person tell us what they're going  to be doing at that event. I do  not think that's right and I  don't like the noise to exist I  want them to  operate and operate without disturbing  their neighbors. Because it was  laid out. Where you're right ends  is where another  person's rights 
     begin. And they've got the right  to do that as long as it doesn't  interfere with the rights of the  public. So how now are we going  to address it if that happens?   So George. Do you have  an answer?  >>As  councilmember Johnson explained  in the process. I just wanted to  add that, if we  were to get complaints on a rule  event center like  this. Obviously that happens on  a Saturday night and  maybe the sheriff is available  to respond. But often they are  not. It comes to us and it's dealt  with on a Monday  through Friday. 
     I think we are trying to make  some resources. [ Captioners  transitioning ] 
>> 

MAYBE IT  WAS PREMATURE IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT  MUCH OUT THERE. You would have seen quite a few  of them. They are working to the  process. So it probably will be  a day where you will have several  of them . It would be hard to do  with someone who has already been  in the business and I was part of  the timing was you do not have it,  anybody acting out there yet, and  you just had one applicant agreed to it so it  was just, you know, if we started  now, it would be easier to have  the list later on, it  might be a little harder to do that,  however, I think the point is well taken  that there is none out there yet  and it will only be one or two so  maybe how they work their system  may have a lot to do with the future  for everybody else.  

This person here is saying, hey, we intend not complying and doing everything,  she has worked with her neighbors,  if people do that on a frequent 
     basis and keep us out of it, I think  that is a great way to attack it.  

Thank you for a good point that,  if we know you could do that, I  don't know necessarily if you do  that, but you would know that there  are events.  And you pointed out something to  me, phone call to the person who  has that center, look, we are getting complete  about noise, to tone it down, if  we get another one and have to send someone out, it  is going to cost you $150 for him  to come out, you've got to have  some punitive, something punitive  to make them, to behave. Whatever  it is, if it's a  bar fight, you haul them off, or  do whatever you need to do so there  has to be some kind of action because  I know that anyone operating the  center like they are going to operate,  it is certainly going  to say, look, jerk, I am taking  you out of there, you are making  too much noise, this kind of activity is not permitted, we  do not want to lose our license  and I don't think a brighter groom  or whoever it is want to have that  happen either. Something has to be added to that  at some point and that point comes  to another day for that. I am okay  with them providing a calendar . If the one person that  we feel is going to be legal and  willing to do that, I am okay with  having it there. At but I don't think it's  that essential. 

Just because you have an audience  does not mean you have to do it  all we don't have any of incentives  at the moment through their. We  still have some that we are operating  that we are getting complaints on  that they are waiting in the system  and still not abiding by the rules . We have those going on. And  you get one complaint, that's what,  but when you have a lot of complaints  coming in, that is something else.  And we need to be more proactive.  And with the code  and swarm enforcement or have the  ability to be more proactive with  the code enforcement and when we  do know we have someone who is an issue on the phone call  tell you that, just because you  have it does not you mean you put  them always out there but it means  that at least we know now we have  had three or four or five complaints  from a particular place and we know that the next time you  have an event, we are prepared to  go down there and find out is there  anything to it or is there just  somebody complaining. This can work  both ways. So --  

Who is operating an  illegal operation is going to tell you have an illegal  of that?  

Well, they are in the system  now to try to get done once they  get in --  

That's different.  

No. It's not different. When  they are there, at least we already  know they are not complying and  that we know when it is going to  be.  

But if they are not in compliance  now and I don't know all of these  that are the system, I don't think  there's that many --  

Phone call is not going to do  anything but we've already talked  to them about the that it's not  in one thing is that you have to  have something at least when they  get in --  

But if they are illegal, what  is going to make me call and say  here is the schedule of my events  --  

We can't revoke their special  exception ago from there. That is  one thing about it is you look at  it and we do have the right to revoke  special exceptions when they do  not comply with the issues but we  still need code enforcement to know  when they are there.  

They do not currently have  a special exception to operate.  

If they go through the process  and get it done and they are trying  to get through it, are they not  --  

That is the big if.  

If they do, at least we know  when they are .  

We are working on something to  try to kill an act going down the  Mississippi River.  

I disagree with you.  

You can disagree.  >> I think it's great point that there  are a number of them currently in  the process.  

How many?  

More than one.  

We  are aware of at least seven either working for building permit  or special exception approval.  

They are currently in operation.  

They have already got to the  process so in other words we have -- that I am for supporting, we  are getting close to where we are  going to end this, I am supporting  --  

Well, I would like to just finish  my turn. But so that is a good point  that there are a number of them  that now, because this is a new  realm and it is a new issue across the state  and across the country for the relevant  centers that more people  are starting to do this and it's  becoming very popular and  you certainly would not go into  a business that was not profitable,  right? But I will point out that the business owner that is  here mentioned that they took over  from someone who was not following  most of the rules there so as of  these are very important, standard  operating procedures are very important  to have in place so that people  know what the guidelines are and  we can create great relationships  in this new realm but I think it's  very important that we set up regular operating procedures for them  to abide by.  Thank you.  >> One more thing.  I wanted to point out about the  noise complaint, the law enforcement goes out and  was complaints , there's really not a lot you can  do. You are not going to make an  arrest or write a citation to the  kind of stuff on it was complete  when he got 12 other calls holding.  And certainly  the question I want to put you,  do we get with all the noise  complaints that are provided around  the county to law enforcement? I notified  of any of that?  

We are acquainted with the Sheriff's  office with regard to noise complaints specifically if they are tied to  businesses or other types of things that are approved by special exception  of those things? 

We are starting to make that  happen ?  

Chris has a contact within the  Sheriff's Department and we basically  share information. There are some  businesses that have been , they had had situations where  they may have been charged with  the idea  that they were violating our noise  ordinance I coordinated with the  Sheriff's department to go out and  verify whether or not there is a  valid reason. Okay. Because I can  tell you from the law enforcement  site, people are not calling code  enforcement on the weekend to report  to code enforcement that there is a noise complaint  for a wedding event Center or anywhere  else. They are calling law enforcement. So okay.  

 Let's do something as far as getting  a motion or something.  

Thank you. If they are not calling code enforcement, why are  we doing this? Here's the thing. We code enforcement, what would  happen if we did not have this , could we still enforce our code? If we did not have this are  you telling me we would pass an ordinance with  no teeth in it?  

The process is slightly different.  What would happen is our  plaint  driven, not proactive, so we would  not be doing any active  role. So therefore if we got a complaint,  we would have to go back around  and instead I think Mr. Reginald said  if you are not certain that there  is going to be an event every weekend  --  >> Is enforceable?  

Yes. It is.  

That's my point. We do  not have enough code enforcement  officers as it is now. So what are  we going to do? I heard we do not  have enough. We don't have enough  staff, we don't have it now. And  it is enforceable as it stands.  Correct? It is enforceable as it  stands. --  

This post, this post.'s post,  let her speak.  

I just want to make you understand  --  

Let her speak.  

Go ahead.  >> She said here did  not say a word while you were --  

Go ahead.  

I told her to go ahead.  

Okay.  

Not you.  

[ laughter ]  

The bottom line  is this. We have an  ordinance currently that is enforceable . I am still  not convinced that we need to add any, if it  is enforceable now, we do not have  enough code enforcement. I heard  you say that, is that true?  

Are you going to hire more code  enforcement if we are going to do  this because we are just going to  be a paper tiger passing ordinance I say we sure fix that when  I will say that we didn't?  

No.  We are sprinting in the area. Again,  this was just meant to be  a piece of information that we would  require that would make it easier for our code enforcement officers  to go back out and like I say, if  you get a call because of allowed Saturday, what is the next Saturday that there's  an event that they may want to go  out there and find out that the  noise part of it , as you said, always has existed,  does exist, what they were asking  for was just the suggestion that  had been brought up  by councilmember 
     Johnson, just for that piece of  information, it just allows them  to be a little bit more efficient  in going out to look at follow-up  on call. That is what it is.  To the point, yes, we could enforce  right now and there  will be other ways they can get  that information if you guys choose  not to do that and there is a complaint,  they are not going to not do their  job and they were just go out and it might be a little bit  more hit or miss for me to get creative  and get the information another  way. 

There's nothing there yet might  have seven of the pipeline and who  knows when they come through and  we can take a look at it. So we  are shooting at a target that does  not exist right now. I am done.  

I would like  to make a motion to approve or we  can vote against or someone can  make a motion to not to amend either  way. >> I would like to make a  motion that we do not on it this  amendment section 72-293, rural  event centers, required for the  notification of events. 

Second.  

Motion eight and seconded.  If there's any further discussion, we have to take a break.  Any further discussion?  

All in favor, and not adding the amendment to section 72- 293 for rural event center to add  requirement for notification of  event say I.  

I. Opposed?  

Motion passes do not  add it 6 -1. Now we got rid  of that. We will move to  item 11. 

 Good morning. Item 11 is a request by staff to submit a grant .  

I want to move to approve the  applications for the federal grant retrofit family homes  budget resolution operating  grant fund. When we were  in Washington two weeks ago, this  was like one of the  top areas of continue conversation --  

[ speaker is off-mic ]  >> When we went to D.C. two  weeks ago, the mitigation funds, FEMA funds and grant  was certainly something that was  top of mind and constant  conversation. So I think if that's what people  were talking about, that is where  we should go for the fun. So I think  there's a great opportunity and  I'm glad to see this happening this  early. Thank you.  >> A motion has been made to apply  for the grant fund for the  nine homes FEMA. Any further discussion? Motion made and seconded.  Any objections? Hearing none,  it passes. The queue for stay on  top and giving us the opportunity  to try to help the nine homeowners.  

Okay. 

Item 12, Mr. Booker? 

Good morning . Over the last year or  so, I have been looking at other  counties, jurisdictions who have  created legislative agenda items priority  list. And so I have been looking  at other counties, legislative priorities  and ran the gamut and what was about  58 pages long and it was just a  word document so I decided to take  a stab and see if I could do something  a little different. There was some  reformatting of the same information  and so  I borrowed and reviewed other folks and talked to elected  officials and my counterpart up  until I had this so as we do this, just a regular part  of what our delegation numbers are,  the introduction really just kind  of boiled down our issues down to  forming areas 
     -- four main areas. And so what  we look at in so far  as home rule, everybody knows that the legislature time , recently a suntan lotion bill  was passed or not past but introduced  to the legislature, you have tree  trimming, fireworks, unfunded mandate, 
     we kind of folded in some of our  priority list that we have had in  prior years into the general home  rule category. Newspapers the white seem to be  on board with some of these things  that we are concerned about and  that the legislatures typically  wants  to restrict or cause  us some consternation,  especially on the growth management  side. Included within this package  also is our two appropriation request that  we have asked for. Basic human services,  again, this is just a reformatting in the overall agenda , what we seem  to be concerned about, the fund is always an issue , library funding, early learning  coalition and funding for that and basic  human services that we are required  to perform and at times our funding seem to get shifted and there's no certainty . So economic development and specifically space  related activities, supply-chain  opportunities, our proximity to  the Cape is essential for us also leveraging 
     businesses at activities that we  currently do. And then of course,  the environment, left year, the  environment with big in Tallahassee. Your, it looks to  again big. So the environment includes our affirmation that clean water projects that deal with  storm water including the Indian  River Lagoon, Springs restoration  and that opens me to one of our  appropriations request which is  the aerial canal project. Up  in Tallahassee two weeks ago, we  kind of circulated around and  we had another project out there that was about right twice as  expensive and we were encouraged to perhaps back off just a little bit about  once a week are going to put all  of our efforts into the aerial  canal project. Also on the transportation  side, we are looking at safety enhancements at the 415 and  Pioneer Trail. It's being reviewed and so we anticipate moving forward  with that and getting a bill number. There is a bill or two out there.  I think the problem is going to  be an appropriation will be , the League of Women Voters is  trying to position itself to motivate the folks in Tallahassee, there  are other things that they can do  to assist our local effort and other states are spending pretty aggressively in order to counter citizens . I believe there are 15 states  that are not spending any money  so anyway we will do what we can to get  the administration to do it in the  form of public service and that  attaching things to the website . There are a plethora of that  can be done that are not financially 
     outreach event we will try to  include that with everything else. 965 bills have been offered so far. That's  in Tallahassee. We will shift  our attention to what the legislature  is doing here. Many weeks are very sporadic this  year so they are meeting today,  actually this me, and I think they  take a week or two off. I can't  remember the exact schedule.  Anyway, we will be monitoring it  and I will be working with our folks  at Southern strategies. Attached to the agenda item  was an issue in regard to the  local bill that we  were pursuing with  our delegation and the attached language is a  one sentence bill so it will  be considered a local bill. Mr. Lake's office has agreed to  pursue that on our behalf . What is going to happen is, assuming that you adopt the  agenda today, I've also spoken  with Senator Simmons's office, he  is the delegation chair right now, and so we will word  that over to the delegation  for discussion at the November 20  delegation meeting at for them to  vote on it in the affirmative. We have some publishing requirements  that we will need to do and some other form that need to be  filled out a little bit  later in the game. But we  will perceive that and assuming of course that if  we adopt that portion .  

You are intimating , you are talking about  a one sentence bill. I think it's  a point that you read that , you make that public record because  I am struggling to my agenda going  what is he talking about here. Is  this the one that was just added  to item 12  

It was added last week time. Item 12. Yes. It is the last section  in your packet. Go ahead, you can read it into  the record.  

Notwithstanding section 161 point 58 , Volusia County permits by ordinance vehicular traffic  on a portion of the beach for the  purpose of reenactment of a historic  automobile race event where vehicular  traffic has previously been removed  from that section of the beach. This act shall take effect upon the coming law. That will be the local bill  assuming you vote on it, that will  be presented to legislature. >> 
     I think it's big enough that you  could state it specifically. On  this one,  we are showing this is part of the legislative  agenda this is part of the legislative  agenda that was added this morning . I'm glad  it's happening . I wish we had done it a long  time ago. Are still doing some damage control  here. But I think it's  a good thing , especially when it gets read into  the record. 

 So assuming that I will be hoping that you will adopt a legislative  agenda, inclusive of the verbiage that I  just read into the record, as soon  as we get to this, my goal is to  give it from state issues and had a little farther north  and start presenting to you all  some ideas on the  federal side as well. So that is the goal. Any questions?  

Do we need motion on this? 

We do.  

I would also like  to add a little bit that as we have  done in the previous years, I would  like to make sure that we have your  authority also, if we  see things, kind of follow the general issues that we  provide today ,  we will work to address  those bills in  a timely manner and report to you  what we did rather than always waiting  to update this agenda. We will do  the best we can . Some might be after-the-fact due  to the speed and I just want to  make sure we still have that authority.  >> I  will make a motion that we accept the legislation on the agenda along  with permitting staff to update  as they see fit.  

That includes item 12?  

Yes.  

Motion is made  and seconded.  

Ms. post? Regarding item 12, I still stand where I do not see a reason for  the amendment and I feel it is a waste  of resources to propose an amendment and to  work with our state delegation in  an area where no one,  up until this point, had any problem or saw  any violation that the county was  doing in regard to this  on the people that actually provide  the permit. But 
     my point was up  until this point, and that there  did not appear to be anyone that  we were in violation until recently  when the county decided that we  were suddenly in violation.  That's how I feel. I think  looking forward to future discussion  with you and I very  much want discussion on  the way as you're coming because  you said you just got back from  Tallahassee and phone  calls are good,  musical, on the kind of stuff to  keep in touch with us and thank you very much for all your  efforts. >> Any objections? Hearing none, motion  to approve the priorities passes unanimously.  Okay. Let's move to item 13. Rick has anciently been waiting  with Brad. Actually we are  going to get Brad. Mr.  Harris?  

Good afternoon , Mr. Chair and members of the Council.  

I was hoping it would not be  there, but it is.  

It is. It's my privilege to bring  before you today third-quarter review  with economic development information. I am happy to say it is going to be positive news . You have information  in front of you pick I will quickly  go through that . This is  a chart called the inflow and outflow  diagram provided by U.S.  Census. It is a picture of who is  coming into the county to work for  players here and who is staying  here when they live here and stay  here to work and those that live  here and are going elsewhere. Let  me go through the numbers quickly  and make a couple of comments. The  total employee by Volusia County  businesses is 159,600 people. Volusia County residents that are  employed with  -- within the county is 104,569. Those are the people that live  here and are employed here. The  next one, Volusia residents employed  in other counties, that is the arrow  off to the right,  96,953. Not  Volusia residents employed in the  county, those outside coming in  for work, 55,039 . So that is the picture of the flow of the  resident of the community and where  they are finding employers. What is the net effect of all of this?  The message here is that we have  a large number of people that like  leaving in Volusia County. That  is the good news. But we also have  a lot of people that are having  to go outside Volusia County and just  to give you a feel of the number  is not reflected, if you go counterclockwise  from Flagler County, if you take  Flagler, Patna, Lake, and Brevard  County's, there's actually a net  inflow from those counties into  Volusia County. So we are a net  importer when you take that group  of counties as a whole. When you  look at Seminole and orange  county by themselves, we are exporting  35,000 workers to employers that  are located in those counties. We have quite a flow going down 4 to companies  on there. I bring this up to you because workforce is the number  one consideration when businesses look to expand or relocate.  So workforce availability is high  on their list along with whether  you can attract, retain, and educate those workers. So in the  context of our workers  and their, message to Council is  that we have workers here in Volusia  County. And the work  we have to do then is to continue  to build job opportunities that  keep those people here and keep  them off of Highway 4.  That's the message but the good  news is we've got the workers and  we need to consider to invest to bring the jobs here and keep  folks home. So that is the first  slide, and the second one is traditional.  It is the current  employment statistics. It is a reflection  of this is businesses in the county  that employed people, actually it  is Wagner in Volusia, it is showing  you by industry what is going on  your two year. The basic message is we have some ups, we have some  doubts, but the net effect, we are  growing by 2500 new employees, net  new employees. The only  other comment I will make a this  is one that I focused on in our  last quarterly briefing. And that  is those top three industries now represent 52%, roughly  50% of all the jobs in  Flagler and Volusia. That is up  from about 48% 10 years ago. So one of the  things we have to continue to invest  in and I know the Council does this  and I encourage you to continue,  it is to invest in new jobs in these  industries that diversify our economy.  Resiliency which is becoming  very familiar, the  information is in the coastal areas,  word does apply to our economy  as well. We cannot be dependent  on one or two industries because  when catastrophic events occur,  we can have serious economic failure  here. So we have to  build resiliency and we do that  through diversifying the jobs in  these industries.  The next slide again, very clear  to everyone, is basically saying  things are going well. The state  of Florida pretty much leads the  way in terms of unemployment improvement. The growth in terms  of workforce and deployment also  is really setting the pace even  for the country. Volusia County  right now, we are looking at in  the third quarter of 2019, about  a quarter of 1 million workers in  our County. That is an improvement  of 1.3% over the previous year. Yet employee down to 9000 which is over a 3%  improvement year-over-year so we  continue to see positive numbers in unemployment and employment  rates. These next two charts are  just a bit of a city. I will say,  in terms of general statements that all of them are improving  year-over-year. Daytona has alleged  improvement in terms of improvement  in numbers pick if we go to new  Smyrna Beach chart, they are the  largest in terms of percentage improvement in a number of jobs created over  the last year. We have very healthy  employment numbers in all  of our major communities right now.  

Have  any jobs last year or doing at past  12 months , I guess, were created in the combined  area? I know you showed two.  

I would have to do the math.  I was trying to avoid having to do that myself. That  I don't have it off the top of my  head.  

I would do it later.  >> We used to have Volusia County  is one of the detailed sections.  And when new Smyrna Beach at the  25,000 population threshold, they displaced the county and we now reside with state and federal government on the other  chart. We like that growth. Okay. The  next chart has to do with education.  Again, part of the workforce  focus, we work is here that we need  to be able to educate is workforce  and we have a very special privilege  of having numerous universities  and colleges and  schools that are educating our workforce , our students. We are  in an enviable position. Few counties  can post the resources that we have.  So what we have done here is we  have basically split completions  that have occurred in the last year . And that school year was  2018, 2019, and we characterized  them by basically those that  are below the  bachelors degree and those that  are above the bachelors degree.  We break them down by industry or  occupation focus. I  was a for the high school graduate,  up to those that are earning associate  degrees, we now have 10,000 completions in the last education  cycle, in the last school year.  There has been improvement pretty  much across the board in those industry  sectors. Some of the biggest growth,  digital technology and business  and economics were the result , or high school students pursuing  more credentials, the state credentials  that come with the Adobe suite of  products and the Microsoft  office suite of products which they  can get credentials in before they  graduate from high school. It strengthens their capabilities  that helps them when they are placed  in the industry. 

This bottom number is so disconcerting  on so many levels. There is an answer  for that.  And you and I were at a meeting  with some other people over in Orlando. The Southeast United States Aerospace alliance Summit that  happened to be in Orlando, Florida, that we attended,  this is one of the things that we  need to work with here in Volusia  County because it's not even an  associate degree. It's these nine  we certificates that there are employees, students,  those that want to reenter the employment  sector can get a certificate and we just thought it was on  the TV, I was going to call you,  I don't know, Teledyne a Rocketdyne  with our  local agency, she got a nine week  certificate and got hired down  at the Cape with a nine week  certificate making higher than what  we are paying here. So even with his associate degree  completion, I think we need to add  a certificate and we will  have a meeting and talk about this and talk with Robin King from  the one-stop career Center and we  need to employ what we heard there  and bring that in here because we  can increase that and I will touch on that later  but you were at the same meeting. I did not expect  to walk away that workforce is the  number one critical point and this  just proves it.  

Is a great opportunity for us.  Just to be clear on the title, you  see high school, post secondary, since  he degree completions. The asterisk  is referred to at the bottom . That includes certification, credentials,  and apprenticeships. So they are in this. And we have some  schools that are involved in delivering  those kinds of programs now so they are part of this.  

But not where we need to go.  

Yes.  

Not where we are going to go.  

But 10,000 completions  is impressive. I am not disappointed  in the number. Few communities can  post the kind of an education strength.  The second chart was really focused on  bachelors, Masters, doctorate degree  programs. This  is important when we are doing high  wage, high paid technical jobs , those that handle some of our  advanced manufacturing businesses  and other technical businesses.  So it is important to keep track  of his. This is the second year  that we have done this . Just to give you a feel  for engineering science and math,  that category is up by 159 graduates.  Business and economics is up by  190 graduates year-over-year. So our students continue to grow in  those areas. That is great news for the businesses  who are adding jobs in our community.  The other message I want to relay  here is if you refer back to the  first or second slightly looked  at, there were 2500 jobs added year-over-year in Flagler in Volusia. And you look at the graduation  rates from our schools and you look  at the migration into our community  and you see a lot of potential for  workforce here so is there a shortage , Brad Penny, we do not  have a shortage. We need to channel  our resources that align them with  the job creators we have and I  think we are going to be in good  shape. And we are.@We see that both  continuing year after year. All  right. Moving on, one of the other  metrics which is I think accepted  as one of the best measures of a  community's health is construction.  And so here we have commercial bidding  permits and your of your, I would  just give you the numbers, there's  333 million invested so far  in 2019. That's through  the first three quarters. That compares  to 284 million prior year. So on a commercial construction  site, we are see 70% or  more increase in the dollar value  of commercial construction. It continues  to go upward. The details of  that are below. I will say they are eight projects  over $1 million again and again  they are across the county and not  unique to one city. There were no  big projects  like Brown and about our hospital  project but  a lot of smaller projects, $1 million  plus projects that we continue to  have very healthy commercial construction. I  got the rockslide here. Sorry. That  was residential. The residential side, the news  is the same. It is positive news. There was a concern  in the last meeting that there was  a little bit of a dip in second  quarter. In a meeting we spoke about  really timing being the issue. There  was some development that was being  three phases and the new phases  would open up and they have. But  again, year-over-year, if you look at this year, we are  at six and 59, almost 660 million  in investment in new residential  construction. That compares to 639  a year ago so we continue to see growth there as well so both commercial  and residential are on the upswing  so good news for our County. This  is a copy has a market study of  what is going on in our MSA, Flagler in Volusia, what is  going on with housing. I'm sorry  but I keep, is that what  you have in your books next? They  are in a different order in mind.  So the first slide I want to talk  about has to do with housing tenure and housing ownership rates. You see  household be established at a pretty  steady rate from 2000 until now. The blue is owners. The orange  is renters. The growth obviously not even. What used to be about  a 40% rate of rented household when  new households are created, 40%  of them were renting. Now renters  account for over 60% of the new households being created.  So you have seen that increase substantially  and the chart that. So  accommodating renters is a big part  of our housing demand right now. 
     The next chart speaks to one aspect  of that. The other thing I want  to show here is that homeownership  rates are falling. And if you split  that between the under 55 and over  55 demographics, the over 55 demographic  homeownership rates are increasing.  But hello the 55 demographic,  home ownership rates are dropping substantially.  

That is  in direct opposition  to nationally what is happening?  Spec it might have to do with the  types of communities being constructed  in our County.  

I know the report last week showed that the homeownership rates were  increasing as opposed to the  rental. But --  

Well, this was part of their  market analysis. And based on  the demographic and the profile  of some of the construction you  have seen in our County, with 55  over communities, this is not really  surprising to me. The new household  coming in to the county many times  our people moving from the north specifically owning a home  in one of our over 55 communities.  So we may be a little unique in  that regard, Mr. Chair.  

The last chart which again, sorry about the  order here, this speaks specifically to apartment which is one aspect  of the rental market. There's been  a lot of discussion about this,  especially down I-4 in the Orlando area where apartment  rates have gone  through the roof.  This is a characterization again  of our region and it is showing  you that the vacancy rate back during  the poster session period on  apartment were at 10%. And have  fallen now 24.6%. So the  vacancy rates are down considerably. As a supply  and demand goes, the rates to rent  those apartments is going up. And it has gone up from seven $33  a month up to $965 a month.  So you have seen apartment rates  go up pretty much because of the  supply and demand. And the only thing I wanted to  say in addition to that is our investors  and our business and billers have  seen is that we have had, in the  last 2 years, 13 major multifamily developments started in our County. So  is being addressed. And the  HUD report actually mentioned that  we were stable. They did not feel  it was a real issue. It is something  we should watch. So the balance  between the construction of those  new multi-families and the demand  that we see, we  need to continue to keep an eye  on that but the messages we are  responded, trying to fill a void  and hopefully our residents will  find a place that they can stay  and afford.  

Finally  just to mention that this Friday  is our economic briefing. And we  will have Mr. Nick Conti coming  to present for the practitioners 
     and basically review some of the  major projects, residential, commercial, and some of  the public projects in each of our  lives so Nick will be making a presentation. 

One more thing before I go if I might, you also  were given another publication 
     and it has today's workforce on  the front of it. This is the data  you saw the graduation rates and  completion that is in the publication.  But there are interesting article  about the partnerships between  business, education, and what they  are doing to develop our workforce  even further so you have that and  it will be printed  as of Thursday, I believe, and available  to the public on Friday. So that available and I do not  see him. I was going to remind  everybody, but we have a digital  quarterly publication that also  goes out by email. That also went out last night and  should have it in your inboxes.  I was going to give kudos to Mike  who was here earlier. Mike does  a lot of work to get that thing  out and interviewing our businesses  in working with Joanne in economic  development team. Three publications,  you've got the queue book,  today's workforce, and got the quarterly  briefing that has gone out by email from our division. 

Thank you, Brad. Any questions thank you so much. Great. 
     We will move to item 14 , I believe. I hope I am right on  this one.  

Good afternoon, chairman and  Council. I am right, activity manager . Item 14 is a sponsorship request  from Halifax in a society for the  10th annual furball gala to be held  on December 12, at $1500. >> I move approval of sponsorship  request from  Halifax Humane Society 10th annual  furball gala for $1500. 

Motion made by  Wheeler, second by Dennis. >> I know on the sponsorships, how  far ahead of time you have to know  about the sponsorships for a policy? So this is not falling in line  with our policy.  

We had this part of the policy  so we already had this one.  

But I wanted to address that  I absolutely think we should be  doing that and approving that,  absolutely, but perhaps if we  can note, because I see also it  is for the next item, item 15, it  is held November 9, so if we can , counsel might want to address  the sixty-day prior notice but they  do not think that we will find --  

I think with these, because of hurricane Doreen, it kind of threw  us back and we lost  the Council meeting. But I will  make sure that we try to get these  prior, not so close to  the date.  

At I just received a megabucks  recently for the VNA awards, Association  award, which is December 5, so not  a whole lot of time but anyway,  --  

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Make sure we  get that an address the sixty-day.  So 

Even though this title discriminates  against DOS, I was still support  it. >> We  have a motion and a second to support  the $1500 sponsorship. It's for  the 10th annual furball. Any further  discussion? Any objection? Hearing none,  the motion passes unanimously and  we will moved to item 15.  

Item is for the sponsorship request  for the pros of Ocala which will be held on November  9 which  is in four days at the $1500 sponsorship  level.  

Ms. Wheeler quite  

Thank you. Move approval of sponsorship  request from food brings hope Inc. , pearls of hope gala in the amount  of $1500.  

Second.  

Motion made by feel, second by  Girvin. Any discussion? Any objection? 
     Hearing none, the motion passes  unanimously.  

Thank you.  

Kevin? I  never know why the call you Captain Kevin or Kevin Captain  but you answer to either or both,  right?  

Yes. Thank you, sir. Good afternoon,  chair, honorable members of Council  staff. Kevin Captain, intercommunity  information director, we have an  event coming up here, a new one  in November. Yes. It is the new  flight cage at the Marine science  Center. It is this Thursday's ribbon-cutting for the new flight cage for sick, injured, and orphaned  Siebert that will soon be able to  feel the joy of wind beneath their  wings at the Mary Keller Siebert  rehabilitation sanctuary.  The Volusia County Council will  celebrate the opening of the 1400  ft.², 20 foot tall cage during  a ribbon-cutting ceremony at 9:30  AM this Thursday, November 7. The structure, the fenced in structure  replaces a flight cage that sustained  wind damage. It has ponds, multiple perches, upgraded  filtration system, and of you of the inlet lighthouse. Depending  upon the type of species of bird,  it will hold about 30 to 40 different  birds. Speaking of birth, I just  want to give everybody a reminder  that wild fest is this  Saturday, November 9. And there will also be sea turtles  and other things that you can learn  about the wildlife here in Volusia  County. And there is complement  access to the lighthouse point Park  for this event. And I  would like to also just mention  Volusia Magazine airs every  week on W DSC TV Sundays at 5 PM at Monday's  there is a repeat show at 7:30 PM. The show is focused on our dedicated  County employees in a variety of  roles they play with running the  county. This upcoming weekend, the  show is going to have a festive  spirit. There will be a preview  of the upcoming Volusia County farm  to her, local 4H participant will  big apple pies, and there's some  holiday cooking tips with an interview facilitated by the Volusia County  Department of health in Volusia  County with chef Costa Magoo is from Daytona State  College. And so I would like to  bring more of the shows  to the Council and add them to the  list and talk about them because  it is a great way to showcase what  we are doing in Volusia County.  Any questions?  

Thank you for including that.  I came across the Volusia Magazine.  I was not even aware of it and I  know we talked a lot about how do  we keep our positive information,  our events, and keep things  in front of the public. So I think  it is important to keep sharing  it and get it on the  record so people know to look for  that. But I also would like for  us to see how we can include that  maybe in some of our public venues.  I think where people are  sitting, if there are lobbies, if  there are waiting areas, I think  that is another way to help keep  people informed and educated on  what we are doing. So I think you  for bringing that today. 

Thank you. And we will definitely  look into those other opportunities. That is what they are. Thank you  so much.  

Okay. Thank you. Moved to item  17. Does anyone if you need appointments to the  code enforcement board, I think  this was one that was short so much  so that we could not even have meetings  at one point, so --  

I would like to nominate Pete  same -- piece on  -- paid for  district 1.  

Hearing no  objections, Pete is confirmed and  nominated to the code enforcement  board. Anyone more. 

Here.  

Right here.  

I will nominate Clement . 

I have a different  one.  

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We had some correspondence going  back and forth in March, as far as  proposals on what to do with the  $34 million.  Something that , I think most of you are aware,  but not maybe fully aware of, any  funding and expenses that go to  the  spend rail from F D.O.C., are charged  to the district 5 funds. So, if district 5 has had to increase their funding allocations, money, to  extend the rail from which would be 34 million+ at least  25 million, plus our 20 million,  plus more, it would  come out of our district allotment  of construction funds that we use  for other things. So, I know we  said  if we participated, we would lose  it. I don't know if everyone is  fully aware. In fact, some of the  commission numbers were not aware  that we are affected, the district  5 funding is affected that way.  What we arrived at was discussion  that the concepts would go back  to the workgroup, which meets this  week, and to discuss, and hopefully  formalize the use of the $34 million, to  be allocated to the sun rail commission, or funds with projects within the  sun rail project. After  the commission takes  over, which we don't know when it  is. Maybe 1/20/21, maybe not. Others are  pushing for that to be sooner. We  did get a brief report that, following  an line, the loss last year  I was Sun Rail last year was down in  revenue.  Again, did not  take in enough revenue to fund the  cost of taking the ticket. So, you  probably have already received this  in an email.  This gives you an idea of where  we are, and where we propose  to go.  I'm hoping that they will come back, not  until our next meeting. I asked  for a special meeting, or another  meeting, before January 30th. Got  crickets again. It's amazing that,  I understood how many millions of  dollars transferring those funds  was going to save each member .  I'm the newest member on the commission.  The rest of them, or some of them  seem to have difficulty understanding,  the additional cost was extended  to all members, not just us. But  all of us. To have a huge , multimillion dollar, hundreds  of millions of dollars over the lifetime of this project,  additional cost that we would have  to bear. And, they could not digest  it. Hopefully the workgroup working  with John and Mike, will let  them understand the numbers. That  were given. So, hoping for  some progress. They said,  it's the first time he really got any conversation in all of the  years, to have conversation, at  least with everyone, even though  it sending it back to the workgroups,  where, usually where 
     the decisions are discussed, so  that they can explain to the members,  that they represent, the fact of  everything. So, hopefully we will  have something in January to move  on, on that one. There's one other  -- Yes.  

If I might just add, this conversation. I just have to thank you for  representing us, I have heard wonderful things about the last  presentation. And how you handled  it. And it was one of, from what  I heard, it was one of the best  presentations they've ever had.  From Volusia County. I just wanted  to make  it all known that we are very appreciative 
     of you being there, and standing  up for us. It was a great, great  conversation.  

Thank you. We have a real good  support with everyone there. Having  Michael and John and Dan providing  for me, I feel much more comfortable.  Working with them , and George, now that you know  more of the history, you  know more of the players. Even though  I've only been to three meetings  or for meetings. You understand  a little bit more about, you just, talking about moving at a snails  pace. This is a snail that's on  his last breath.  

[ Laughter ]   

A  snail on 16 RPMs, that's about it. At 33 and 45. That's half a 33 almost.  Anyways, thank you very much, it  is something that's very important. The cost it's going to be to operate, going  forward, they did mention that they now are looking  at another possible contractor for  doing the tickets. Initially, they  think it's going to save us was  at 11 or $16 million? It  was like $11 million right out the  pump. And  as we know, they don't have any  method of seeing  who taps on, and who? So that got to bring some of that  under control. But the savings,  again, being willing to have this, and  what we feel is so important, by  putting this  all, so that the funds can be used  to better the entire systems that  we are going to benefit in our district  5 allocation of funds going forward. For our projects that affect us  locally. Through the district five  revenue. So, thank you very much  for that. Did you give them the draft, or  did you want to do that later? We had mentioned, I know we adjusted  the December meeting for this year.  We had mentioned in discussion,  possibly having one meeting in July  of 2020, and one meeting in December  of 2020. And what Marcy has prepared is  a calendar, showing that issue, should we want to address  it, and go ahead, and it's important,  I think, setting some of the dates  for July , and also, again, for December. And, if you want to have this brought back at a later time, we  can. If you want to look at it briefly,  I just got it this morning as well.  

It's an important meeting.  

We will bring this back as an  agenda item, Marcy, George. You  have the dates that also list  different conferences, so we can see we are not conflicting  with some of those. Also with holidays,  so, that will be brought back. That was, that was  what was brought up? Discussed? If there's any objection, we can  address it at that time. But look  at the July one, especially. Because  I think you said you needed a sooner  than later or not? 

We can do all of it at once.  

We can go at the next meeting  or thereafter.  

Sure.  

We are running into into December,  we are running into two meetings. That's  a monument. So, okay. 
     That's, I think that's all you gave  me extra, wasn't it? I need to do  the other one, right? There's another  whole page. Been out to reappoint Doris McWilliams to serve on the  mid-Florida community services governing  board of directors. We have a letter  of support from her, for her. And that's an appointment that  I made, is that correct, Marcy?  

Yes her.  

 Pardon, yes? Okay. So I would like  to do that, without objection. To  appoint her to serve on the mid-Florida  community services governing board  of directors for 2020. Okay, so that is done, the next one is , I'm also going to ask, I know those of you  who have said you could or would  not serve on the canvassing board.  And that basically is none of us.  That could or would. So I'm going to appoint  Frank Bruno to serve for the county. 
     And, three  of us are running, which cancer.  I would not dare ask Billie to serve  another one.   And, understanding that anyone who  serves on the Council cannot, basically,  be remotely involved in any election  during that time.  Someone could have served on the  one for March. Or  that. But , if there's any objection to that, I'm going to appoint Frank Bruno  to service our on the board. I think he knows  enough about government that he  will serve us well.  

And I've done the other one.  That's all for me, right Marcy?  Tell me yes.  

Yes.  

Good. Then we can move on. Two discussions of matters  not on the agenda. George?  

I'm good.  

I know somebody is wanting, have  no one for  public spaces, so that's great.  George, you good? Dan?  

Nothing sir.  

Thank you. We will go to Miss  Girton.  

I get to be first. I think I would request that we  reschedule our workshop. I know  that we were supposed to do it  on October 15th. We were going  to the NATO event. I do think that was very valuable to go to, so I  think you guys for allowing that. After workshop, I think it's important  that we have a discussion about  Echo in Volusia forever.  I know, I'm getting a lot  of outreach from the community,  interested in letting us know  their concerns. I feel they should at least let  us have the conversation before  we can get it on the agenda, and  then hear from the public, in regards  to those concerns. I think, also, I  wanted to ask if we could ask if  the county had a list of proposed  changes for zoning and land development  code, as proposed by the smart growth  committee, for the Council to review. So, my understanding is, like,  2016, there was a proposal made, and I've had local residents  reach out in regards to  some of the recommendations,  or the proposal that that time.  So determine if those proposals  are still valid. I think there's  a lot of concerned going on with  land now and how it is being dealt  with, agricultural zoning and what  the current needs are, and especially  in my district. So, if we could  have that revisited by  staff.  Okay.  

No problem.  

And I also had mentioned , during my one-on-one, a  couple of mentions of some upcoming approved projects  or opportunities for project within my district, and  I think it would apply to everyone. I would love to  see on our website, a link for our  district's, where it speaks  to certain things that are going  on, and especially approved projects  that you could go out and see the  activity, just like when we had  our tax, the half cent tax and you could  actually go out to an interactive  map and see what was going on, and  what was approved, or what the recommendations  were. I think being as transparent  as possible makes it more insightful  to the public. So, I would like  to see that, and wanted to put that  out there to see how they  feel about it.  

Would you like to see those divided  into five districts?  

Yes.  

Okay.  

Yeah.  And other than that --  

George?  

Just to comment on that. The  next meeting, we are intending  on having most, actually, it  will be capital project a. It will  be several capital projects items, including the counties  CIP, the capital project  schedule that we do on a quarterly  basis will also be. And then, a subsection for the  road program itself. So, you will  have three levels on that, if everything is approved. You  certainly can have the maps that  you guys design, the maps as part  of that presentation. But everything, if it's approved,  we can make sure that that is all  put on a map to whatever shape  you guys would like. We have traditionally done it in  a four impact zones, but if you , we can slice and dice. However  people want to see things. So will. 

Okay. I appreciate that. 

You would like to see that with  the projects that have been approved,  as opposed to, because everything  is proposed is not here. In  the agendas. 

Basically, I think there should  be one location, because each time , each agenda,  you've got to go back to prior. So, I think there should be more  than a cumulative location that  you can go to a map and see, you  know, what is happening.  >> Happening or happened?  

What has happened, as far as  approved. I know proposed is something  different.  

Right, okay.  

We are not trying to put out  information that is not valid. But  also, even in there, if it's a thing  it's going to be for public comment,  it probably should be there, to  give people an opportunity to say  this is going to be on our agenda.  This is coming up. This is approved projects, this is proposed projects,  and this is the opportunity for  the public to speak on it.  I just think there needs to be more  transparency and more, I guess leading opportunity for people  to speak on the things that are  impacting our areas.  

Susanna, you want to make a comment? 

Yes sir. Towards that, and our I.T.s staff, and our GIS specialist. They have been working towards  making our permitting  system information live and interactive on a map  that can be posted on our website.  So, that you could go one to a map,  there would be every property that has a permit,  a land-use item that is in  process, or a billing permit, recycling  and under review. You can click  on it and get general information  on what is going on, on that property.  It doesn't necessarily have to the  feature of going back to every approved  project that is on our books, but  it will be life and interactive  with our permitting system. It is  a function of our arc GIS program that we have  available to us, and I think would  go a long way to being very  transparent, so someone could go  to their neighborhood and see what's  going on and they would have live data, and be able to contact  us.  

Could we use that, instead of  going to that extra two steps? Because  breaking out by district , you kind of know your zone. People  kind of know where they live. They  know their zones. I assume, like  that, it's even more transparent,  and more out there with information  of what you were --  

I'm open to it. I think we just  need to get something out there,  and you show me what the best  way is, and if you click on this,  I think even recognizing it is district  1, versus, because I'm not even  sure where I start and another  one ends. So --  

I'm not sure where all the different  districts, you know, there is lines  there. There is lines were one of  them is across the street.  

Exactly. So I think if you open  up something and it drops down,  it shows not only the street, but  the district.  

Let's see what they have, that GIS is working on, because that  sounds even more informative and much easier. It's interactive,  then a person , who can actually go on there and  interact with that. That will help.  And then it sounds like it could  be developed to where you can take  another step,  that a person could go and look  at. That would work.  

That works for me.  

Okay.  

I think I will still lead with, we are still talking Sun Rail. I still  want it  in West Volusia  , so however that needs to happen, you can keep that  little nugget in the back of your  mind.  

Let me address that quickly.  It is not being, it is not being  removed from a future date. Is where we  are on discussion right now. We  are not being kicked out of Sun  Rail.   Our expenses and obligations will  remain a much lower percent than what they would be, if we  spent the hundred million dollars  or more, extended to the land,  and we still would be there 
     in the event, the situation should  change, that it could be extended  to there, or somewhere.  

Thank you. Thank you. Oh, one other thing, happy birthday  tomorrow,  Billie Wheeler.   

Happy birthday tomorrow, our Brooke Girton.  

[ Laughter ]  y'all would do that. Oh me. They  got the birthdays out of the way. 
     Ben?  

I start with saying goodbye  we are Dustin White today. Today  is his last  day, he's moving to Spartanburg  South Carolina. Good luck to you. Also, I've had some of this come up,  it's a safety item. And it's in  reference to 2 gas docs on the St. Johns River. In Holly Bluff, Marina. Although they  are low-speed zones there, they  are having problems with wakes,  and with the county staff needs  is authorization  for us to put on the next agenda,  to bring forward an ordinance creating  a no wake zone, which is one lower  than a slowdown for those two gas  docs. And they are close together,  they are only less than a  half-mile apart. But, I have had complaints about  them, and I know, my brother lives  in a no wake zone out there. Or  a slow zone. And I know how people  ignore that, but it is a danger,  because people are guessing  at the docks and we do need to take  and get that controlled, under control.  So I would like to get that on the  next agenda for us to have, a vote  on that. 

Is that something we control?  

Yes sir, it is one of the things  that is delegated to the local government  by the Florida legislature, and  we control the no wakes zones and  for the fueling station, we would adopted by local ordinance.  

That's the only place we control  it.  

Yes sir.  

Okay. I got mad at some of the  wakes zones that were put in, --  

This was a safety one, and they  defer to local government on the  safety issues.  

Also want to make sure, it is  contained and it is not made for  miles and miles. Just, it's --  

It's restricted to 500 feet before  and after, it's very , very limited. You all have the  discretion to put that safety zone  in.  

Okay.  

Do we have consensus on counsel  to bring the ordinance back? Thank  you.  

That's all.  

Great.  

My turn? Okay. Do you  remember back when we were dealing  with the state park and the APB sensor thing?  We had a consensus of, I think,  from the Council, that Ben and  I kind of spoke about that, and  everybody was on board, too. To  have staff  kind of look at some areas in the  county, to see if there was any,  an alternative place that we could  maybe have such a place for such  events? And, I was talking with staff, with Ken Bailey in  particular, recently. The county  doesn't really own anything that would be conducive for that.  Most of the land that we have is  conservation, and obviously it's  not going to work. So what I would  like to do is to see if the Council  would be okay with this, this isn't  obviously a 911 emergency kind of  thing. Just something to slowly  work on. But to allow Jim and I talked, he said he would  be willing to keep his eyes open  for property that might be conducive  for that. And then, it would come back to us. And say  we can do that here, or whatever.  Just to give him a little bit of  freedom there, I did not feel like  we originally, we did, we really  did not reckon that way, and I feel  like it would give him more comfort,  if we, as a counsel would say it  was okay with us if you kind of  kept her eyes open for land to acquire  that might be conducive for usage. 

I'm not opposed to looking.  

That's all I want to do is look. We don't know what might come about.  I know some of the places, they  may --  

[ Indiscernible ]  

Would donate, or decide to open  up, there's places in the state  where they charge. You pay 20 bucks, and you sign  a waiver, and you go at it. I know  there's a couple places in the county, I'm not going to mention names,  where they allow things on the  property. They've got quite a bit  of property, and the BB open to opening  that up. I'm certainly not wanting  to spend a lot of money to do that  in the county. That is not my point  at all. Just to kind of keep our  eyes and ears open to what might,  could happen. I think he would feel  more comfortable if we were all  right with him keeping his eyes  open for that.  

George, you okay with --  

Sure, keep our eyes open. Keep  an eye towards that facility. And  talk to Tim.  

I did not even mean to send that. Forever could be a, no. 

We would hereby forever, too.  

That's all I had.  

Okay.  

We were talking about earlier, is Donna still -- With  the senses. I know, working on different veterans  issues, there's a big issue in Volusia County with figuring out  the actual number of veterans that  we have in the county.  Because,  I've been given a number of 65,000,  I've been given a number of 85,000,  I think it's probably closer to  100,000 veterans we actually have  in Volusia County,  because the  way they are counted is by one of  two ways. It's either having affiliation with the VA,  so if you are getting medical benefits,  or medical services through the  VA, or you are a member of one of  the local organizations like VFW,  etc. But a lot of people aren't affiliated  with veterans, both people from  you know, are not joining those organizations.  And are also not self identifying as veterans  through the VA and things like that. So, those numbers are not being  counted. And when we are talking about appropriations,  obviously, with the senses, it's  very important that our numbers  be counted. So, I don't know if  there's a way for us to, can we  add to our census in taking criteria as we do the census stuff ? I'm assuming there's other community  services, other than veterans, where, perhaps we are not quite  getting the numbers in that we could  be getting in. And, are there other  ways to do that, 
     and, while we are doing the senses,  that's the whole point of the senses,  right?  

Brian is actually working with  that, with two people, as well as  the federal government in the state,  so --  

Sorry Brian, I did not see. Is  that something we could fold into  the census and Volusia County,  in asking additional questions?  

There are certain questions that  are on the survey that I don't think  that, I believe veterans is not  on there, unfortunately.  

Okay. So I'm going to go back  to Donna, and I'm going to say that's a major sticking point,  when you're talking about veterans  services officers and all of that. Make sure that we have those numbers  correct. And, we may never  get the exact numbers. But, you  know, the disparity of 20,000, 25,000,  30,000, that's pretty big. And I only say that those people are  not being counted, again, because  they're not joining those organizations.  And then, my husband is a great  example. Marine Corps. Was not affiliated  with the VA or any kind of benefits,  he gets good insurance, and not a member of any of those  organizations. He is one of those  people. I can tell you one another  100 people that are not being counted.  So, what I'm getting at is we are  losing money. Anyway that we can  collectively work to try and determine  those numbers, for outreach, or as we are doing  outreach, in different areas, community services,  with or veteran services, if we  could be asking those questions,  when we are in the community, or  whatever we need to do. Thank you. 

Kevin, you mentioned the DST, is there any way  to maybe start showing the DST show, like prior to meetings and  stuff as people are getting ready? Like the quarterly,  like the quarterly breakfast, or, you know,  just different county things that  we do, is there any way to just  throw it up on the screen and have  those things running some people  go, what is that?  

Interim community information  director, that has actually been  brought up, and it was a conversation  earlier with our audiovisual folks. And so, we will absolutely look  into that. That's an opportunity,  thank you.  

Okay. And while you are still  there, obviously, VMA is representative of our manufacturing  and Volusia County, and working  with our economic development division.  We need to do what we can to get  out those manufacturing jobs, and  let people know in Volusia County  what is happening.   I know I have toured the HVAC , and welding schools , and the electrical 
     certificates and everything, at  the HEC Center's through the state  college. Lots of different programs.  But I recall Volusia building industry  Association telling us a couple  years ago that they had offered free, yes, free scholarships to high school graduates or to give  them the apprenticeship to go into  construction. To make big bucks, especially a  person that age. And you know how  many they got back? Zero. So, you  know, there is lots of things available  in our County, and I want to make  sure that we are having these discussions, 
     see the Northwest alignment center  down at the south end of the county, he's an electrical lineman. We  have a light men's college, so,  but they have just opened a program for,  what are they called, gas technicians. And so, you know, I did not  know that until I read an email  from them. So,  that's, you know, we have a lot  of things to offer in Volusia County  at  terms of jobs, and certifications,  and on a report that Brad gave earlier, about certification, we have a ton of certification  programs. We just need to let people  know and, I don't know, something  will, some reason, we are not collectively  getting the word out.  

We can certainly look at additional  platforms to get those messages  out, and to help those certificate  programs. And we can get with VMA. 

For economic development folks,  we will put together a little  bit of a passage, to figure out  various platforms, where we can mention, and work  with the schools and Volusia, but  also , part of that effort,  especially directed to young graduates, 
     versus a lot of people who want  to refocus their careers, so definitely , we will talk to  career sources, some of the other  places as well. So, some  sort of --  

Trying to get word out.  

A coordinated effort. 

I know I'm out and about and  I've not heard about it, I go oh,  others have not heard about it. So, I think we  are all pretty much out and about  a lot, so if we are not hearing  about it, and do we need to push  that area a little bit more.  

We will definitely work on it.  

Thank you very much.  

Thank you. Let's see , Stan, can we get an update on  amendment 10? Where are we at?  

No opinions have been issued. 

What are we waiting on? Where  are we at right now?  

We had arguments with the first  district on October 3rd, and we  are waiting on  an opinion from the court.  

What does that entail?  

The issue at when they see fit. 

We have an idea of when they  anticipate knowing something ?  

I really could not say, it just the court issue determines when  they issue it. 

Is no normal practice, you have  nothing to update?  

They have issued opinions on  cases that were argued a few weeks  before. In the last week or two. But those, it's fair to say that  maybe some of those involved simpler  issues. I can't really say when  the opinion will be issued.  

That's where we  are at?  

Just way.  

Okay. All right. Again, the trip , thank you counsel for letting  us go to the national Association  of Counties trip to DC. We  spent a full day in the White House,  talking with White House staff,  and that was very, very helpful. And collaborated with a lot of  different  groups and visions at the  federal level. Looking forward to following up  on a lot of that. As most of you know, I was  recently appointed to chair of the  national Association of County veterans  military services committee. So  I am very proud of that. And looking  forward to doing a lot  of advocacy and working  on some best practices here in Volusia  County to bring that stuff back  to us.  The last thing  I had, I think was , so our  last meeting, I'm assuming we are  going to talk about the date for  the last meeting in  the year, in December? Going to  figure all of that? So we are definitely  having the last meeting December  10th? Okay. So the last meeting of the year,  we always do evaluations, I guess quarterly  evaluations, verbal evaluations, 
     determining County manager. We have  brought up many times, in  years past, doing written evaluations. And I would  like to do written evaluations this  year, and I would like to get, in  the past, I've asked HR for  a written evaluation to do that,  and we have not really unveil that  information. If we can come up with every other county does this, so  if we can come up with an evaluation  form that we can all be provided,  in a timely manner, so we have plenty  of time to do, do it right, that  would be great. 

I don't think every other county  does that. From other counties I've  talked to. I think we did in Ormond Beach.  It took a lot of time to revise  it.  To revise a written evaluation form,  to get the questions, best fit as  they were, relevant. So I do know,  we don't have to an off-the-shelf form at this point.  

Mr. chair, don't you think we  could get one from another county  or Florida Association of Counties ? I would think that they would  have something we can go by.  

That I don't know.  >> [ Indiscernible ] as an individual  council member. But I mean it's  not, it doesn't have to be detailed.  An HR form.  

I've worked on about 15 of them,  or 16 of them. And it does have to be detailed.  If you want to have a fair evaluation  that can be used constructively, for the betterment of the operation  of the government, you have things  that are going to be irrelevant  in there. And like I said, over the years,  we processed it. You can get a copy  of that one, does everybody want a  written evaluation? I think we talked  about it before.  

I think probably a county want  to be more applicable, rather than  one from the city.  

Not really.  

If you would like, I can follow  up with --  

[ Indiscernible ] all the questions  are such as  is he sharing the  information or this, that, it's  all about information. It's about  operations. Whether it's a manager  of a county, or a manager of the  city, the relevant information would  be there. If, who would you want  to have George to arrive something  like that, then George? I just asked, does counsel want  it? Right, I was asking.  

I don't necessarily need it.  

I like, I like --  

Fred? Barbara?  

I would like to have one. I mean,  if there is nothing now that is  detailed, how detailed  the document have to be? Right now,  you are not using anything. 

Right now, we are doing basically  a yes , up and down, kind of, with your  opinion on what the written ones  do, they ask you for, some use a grading system, 125,  1 to 10, how well is this being  done. How well is communication  with other, other people. How do you feel you're getting  information that others are getting,  or getting the same, that we all  know. But do you feel you're getting  adequate, it's a very, like a four-page  document.  

Doesn't have to be that? I mean  right now, like as a, you are not  using anything.  

Mr. chair, I still think, if  we had staff contact the Florida Association  of Counties, I'm sure they've got  a general idea on different reviews  that have been used for different  counties, that we can  --  

Right now, right now, we are  trying to determine if four of the  seven wanted. Okay? Right now, I  have -- I'm just trying to get, you don't want it? Christina, I don't care to have  it. That's three, so I need either one more know, or  for yeses. Bennett says no, so we are not  going to have a written evaluation.  

Okay. Let me see if I had  anything else on the list here. 

Just wanted to point out again,  we discussed earlier today, trying to remember which agenda  item it was. We discussed smart growth and  smart development. LPGA corridor, we talked  about this stuff so much. I still think, I  asked before, in the past, I sent  out letters. And, I know we discussed  it, it was brought up , that the elected officials roundtable  meeting.  To talk about it. I know the county  that claimed, they did a really  good job on it. But the presentation, the final point at the end, and where we  are at now, everyone is saying , it's good, you don't need to have  any discussion on, unless you move  forward. However, the same caveat  on the side of our mouth, we're  saying there's not enough infrastructure , water or roadways  to accommodate any of the discussions, or any of the  development that we are having.  So, this is not a discussion  to negate an element in any way. But I think it's important, we  discussed  many times, in the past, how important  regionalism is. And how important,  you know, the county is just not in its own silo, and we  need to be talking with Nina's apologies,  and our surrounding counties, and  I just wanted to bring up, again,  I would love to have some discussion , serious collective discussion , about working together and holding  each other accountable. Thank you. 

Miss Weaver? 

Okay, I'm going to keep my short  because everybody had quite a few  comments that I was  wanting to make. I would like to  go along with Miss Kirkman on, let's  get a date for the  workshop, otherwise we will talk  about it at the next meeting, we  need to get one, and there are some  things that we do need to talk about,  and I agree with you on the echo on the floor, forever. I think  we need to discuss it, but included  and that echo discussion, I would  really like to have the echo board  involved in the indication. But I, I would like  to have us sit down, if we could,  Mr. chair, and designate a date that we have it confirmed. 

How about this. How about Thursday, George and I look at  available dates, we will put it  out for approval, at the  next meeting, on November the 17th. 

Thank you.  Thank you. 

Tentatively, when we talked to  the house before, you had targeted  second meeting in January, so it's  on our chart for  there, but we can confirm and  talk about it, and get it out. 

I think one of the things we  need to have is, one of the things  is some of our goals and objectives  that we have for the county going  forward, we can have that sooner  than January, it might be better.  That meeting would be after our  state of the county, I believe.  Somebody, but that would be  real close. Have some indication  of that, we will do that. 

Thank you.  

Bin, did you have a comment on something that was up there and  Miss Weaver, as well?  

I was just still talking, that's  all.  

I understand that. Because I  wasn't done. You called me for my time.  I'm doing my time. Okay, so the  workshop was one issue, I did want  to tell everybody on Saturday at  11:00, they are dedicating the new  Shores veteran Park and Michael Walsh will be there,  as one of the speakers. They are pretty proud of this veterans  Park that they have built. So 11:00  in Daytona Beach Shores, dedication  of the shores veteran Park. 

Been, did you? 

In a matter of fairness, one  thing we did, we put, one special event center  in the county that's going to have  to report when they have something  going on, and none of the rest of  them are. Okay, all  right. I did not miss that. All  right.  

They are good. Okay.  Miss Dennings?  

Thank you. The first one is Councilman Lowery, I was  counting on you to bring up the  Bush County fair. 

I was going to bring it  

Okay, I would like to talk about  it, not to touch it because I got  a couple other things. So, thank  you. I just did not want that to  you. Okay. You can do that. So first  of all, I want to thank the staff,  we had our public protection director,  from our fire rescue,  Jessica Winthrop from the coastal  division, Clay bourbon,  Jim Judge, emergency management  in Manchester,  our beach safety director, all attended  a meeting at Silver stands and bassoon beach homeowners association, it was  a meeting to discuss,  we weren't sure really what it was.  But the overall issue was annexation, and they did not want to  be annexed.  So, end of meeting. But thank you  to staff that all showed up in the  rain, drenched, and took the time  before a county counsel evening  meeting to attend that and  speak to the citizens, thanks for  that. Also,  I put together lunch for our new  deputy manager, County manager,  Suzanne Concho, thank you. I gave her  the Royal tour around District 3  is much as possible, an hour and  a half. And then we all met at Norwood,  with Don Burnett. The vice mayor,  Jesse McGurk, and the Daytona executive Connie, economic  development for southern Volusia  County , Stan Bergeron, thank you  for that. They really enjoyed the  lunch. I got a letter fun positive  feedback for that. So thank you  for that. And then, there's a picture, we have this picture, something  happened in between that last Council  meeting and this Council meeting.  I hosted, it was after host, a strategic engagement meeting , do we have that picture? This is what happened, we hosted  it at the McGee room. It was , you will  be getting more information as soon  as I get the report from the consultants.  They brought in two consultants,  it was more like a  spot analysis. They are doing it  around the state. This was Volusia's time to present, what  you don't see there is  an introduction  from Mike, who came  in via a video, because he also serves  on  the Board of Directors for space  Florida which is very good for Volusia  County.  So Mr. Sweeney opened it  up and we went to Congressman Michael  Walz, who joined us by video, 
     Jim Cameron from the Daytona chamber  was there. He had to leave, and did not make  the group photo at the end. But  also, you can see Senator Tom Wright,  what this was about was, they wanted to look at our core  industrial capabilities, that will  translate to military and space  commercial market development. So, seated around the table kind  of like elected leaders around the  roundtable, only reversed, because the table in the back, elected  leaders, they can all see all the  PowerPoint presentations that these  leaders brought forth. And the dialogue  between the CEO alliance,  Ken Sharples, and team Volusia with  the consultants and questions they  asked, not just infrastructure and  what we have available, but the  workforce. That's where I'm going with workforce.  They wanted to know about the workforce. As soon as I get  the report from the consultant,  from space Florida, I've asked if we can agenda this, this is  important for you to know and understand  the opportunities, and the good  reports that I got back after that  day, they were absolutely  impressed with Volusia's leadership. Of course  you can see Embry Riddle was there.  They presented as Daytona State.  And it was several other passages, we got  a lot to bring to the table, Volusia  County.  And we are right there. Certificate jobs, whether  it's the Daytona Beach airport,  you know, the 300 acres, we've got  over there, right next to Embry  Riddle, and liquid coming out of  the University, we've got to keep  them in Volusia County.  And we  have a path to get there. And we  have leaders who guide us. And we  are on the state map, so as soon as I  get that report and can release it, from  the consultant, I will get that  to staff, get that to you. They  can present, you can meet with them, you can have your conversations  and ask your questions, and get  up to speed, because the door is wide open,  for Volusia County with that.  That was just, it's an amazing  time right now, and, with all  of this, our manager, our new  deputy manager is going to be, we met or was introduced to the  internal auditor, this past week. Sounds like 2020 is going to be  a really good beginning for all  of us, and for all of our citizens  going forward. Just be encouraged, and I will do what  I can, if any of you want to make  further appointments or would like  to get more involved, I will  get this to staff, and do whatever  I can to help engage you and let  you go down there on your own. And  get up to speed. That's all I have  Mr. share.  

Talking about regional, for  local, right? 

Thank you Mr. chair. I need to  clarify for the record. Because, there was some confusion  in that motion, and you all does  not in your head. I would like you  to formally state that it is not  your intention to impose upon a  special exception you approved today  the condition of providing the monthly  notice? Because  that was a motion, was to impose  it upon that special exception. It was not conditioned  upon your decision later in the  day.  

It was discussed. Because  we said , I know  what we said was --  

It was discussed. It was not  part of the motion.  

That was the amendment. Right?  

Yes sir.  

The amendment with the night,  correct?  

The amendment was approved.  

Only if it was, only if it was  passed by counsel. Should the ordinance  get passed by counsel. That was  --  

I thought that was the amendment. Because I said we don't know what  it's going to be  

Right.  

If you don't have that --  

If that was the intention of  counsel, I just need that made clear  for the record, so the clerk properly  identified that in the notes.  

Let's make a motion in regards  to that? 

Okay. Procedurally, we have made a motion, amended that motion, and adopted the amended motion. To clarify, rectify,  clarify that, what we need to do,  at this point, we are  still --  

Mr. chair, what I recommend,  you would need to reconsider the  approval, and bring the issue back  on the floor.  

You would? That's right is going,  but you did it anyway.  

I need a motion to reconsider  --  

Which item was that? Motions made to reconsider item  number five, and that motion was the approval of the special exception 
     --  

With an additional condition.  

With special rights. The exception.  We are now reconsidering that --  

Mr. chair, I would point out, I  would suggest a motion to delete  the additional condition.  

A motion to amend the additional  amendment. Motion  is made to remove the amendment, to the amend this , any objection to  that motion? That motion passes unanimous. And now, a motion  to --  

As amended by  the staff.  

A motion to approve the amended motion that was  amended , this is all, this is not really  that funny. I'm just clarifying,  right. Motion made by Miss [ Audio disconnected - please stand  by while reconnecting ] and, seconded  by Mr. Johnson.  So, any objection? 

Motion on the board right now  is the agenda item as it was recommended  by staff.  

Right. On the floor is the item for discussion, for approval is the item as recommended by staff. I thought  we already had the motion. 

And if you would, I think if  you would approve that motion --  

Motion made by Lowery. Any objection to that motion? That  motion passes unanimous, and that  should do all of it.  

Thank you.  

There we go. Thank you. Well,  it's clear now, and legally and  technically, I don't want them having  to, I do want something having to  come back later saying that well, it did not happen. First  of all, we are going to take care  of which is a tradition. And, Dr. Lowery has agreed, I think,  to go and throw himself in the pigpen, and  find a something, right, or not? 

I'm not going to be honest here,  that's for sure. I learned my lesson  on that. Oh gosh. You can even scratch  her eyebrow, there.  

Hears what --  

Well, I just wanted to make sure , if I was on board with that.  

Let's stick to 
     --  

I'm a tightwad. I'm going to  get the best price I can. It's kind  of hard to agree, because you never  know, it's an auction. They are  bidding, you get a list and of time. Usually, the  less weight is going to be better. But  there's a price per pound, that  you auction and you bid on. Okay. It's a fundraiser for , yeah. The whole thing is  for the future farmers and all that. Our donation goes to, what?  Yeah, well, the children who raise  the peg, 
     they make the money. But then, what  we are saying is, we've got food  processed --  

Yeah, the pickets process. The  meat is sold and that goes to --  

So, in the past, I think last  year, I paid $80. I may be wrong. 

I thought it was like $200.  

Yeah.  

I paid whatever we had to pay.  

That was the bidding last year. 

They charge you more.  >> There is a handling charge and  fees.  

I will be very minimum, that's  all I can say. I can't tell you  what the amount will be, but it's  Christmastime, i.e. 22 spent $500  myself.  

All I know is just like everyone  else up here, except, I was  here when you started, right? It's  been here since people have had  it. Whether we want to participate  or not is a question. 

I guess that's my question. This  is news to me, and new to me. 

I was shocked.  

I am not familiar with purchasing  pigs. But I am familiar with 4-H programs. I guess my question  is, is it time for a new tradition?  Is it time to consider if we are  going to contribute, personally, this isn't from the Council.  My understanding is  this is a personal contribution.  

That's right.  

So, I would. Frankly if I were choosing to contribute,  I can't say this is how I would  choose to do it. 

You all think it was like $1400  last year, that we paid?  

It was like --  

All I know is I pay $200.  

Yeah, it was pretty, that was  the highest, usually it's like 80  or 90  bucks.  

Knows that. Here's the deal,  it depends on the price per pound.  It depends on the size . But we have to decide, counsel,  we have to decide if we are all  in. If counsel, if we are  not all in, that's for the discussion  comes from.  

Right, okay. Kind of getting  a sense, we are not all in.  

We need to know, Mr. chair, who  is in and who is not. Before we  go forward. Or what.  

Yeah. I'm in, because I think  we are kind of, I don't know whether we should be expected to  be in, I'm in, but not for $300.  

Yeah. 

It's like one year it was $80.  

I think it was. One year was  120.  

We are supporting the kids.  

Yeah. We are the city Council,  supporting the use and Volusia County.  

Pardon? Turn your mic on, Dan.  

Historically, people who know  people get big bids. And there are  some kids out there who leave almost heartbroken, because  they don't know anybody, and that's the ones that we should be going  after to help the kids who aren't ,  who don't know somebody who's going  to put the money on board.  

My guess is, Lester, we went  after somebody who knew a lot of  people.  

Somebody starts bidding against  you, start over somewhere else. 

Maybe the new was the county  peg, so they started bidding. [  Laughter ]  

Why don't you bid on a chicken?  

We offer that last year. We said  rabbits, and didn't we?  

[ Laughter ]   

I'm all for supporting the children of Volusia County, absolutely the  4-H program. But I just wonder if,  I mean there's a lot of  children's  programs that I support. Within  Volusia County.  And I just wonder if I were to  bring that to you all, and say,  you know,  I expect the rest of the Council  just to chip in, would not be appropriate? 

I think this was a tradition.  

This was an expectation. If you  choose not to, you choose not to.  Let's not do it, let's not --  

It's a double dip, too. You get  the child who race that gets paid.  And then when the process ends.  It's kind of a double dip.  

Is do it this way. Council members,  how about we do this. If you choose  to participate, since  these are private dollars, if you  choose to, I will agree, I meant,  I don't care what that looks like,  a portion of whoever , if this  form is, just three of us, or five,  or seven, I am in. We will agree  to do whatever that is. I trust  my councilman, Fred Lowery.  I hope he doesn't win the lottery.  So I am in. 

Wait a minute, there's only three  of us in there.  

Are you in?  

I'm in,  but --  

That's for.  

I'm five.  

You don't have to be in. 

You really don't.  

I felt pressure the first year.  

Like I said, I have been volunteering and contributing  to the children of our community in  4H and other programs, and this  is just not how I would choose to  participate.  

That's not a problem.  

Thank you.  

We are looking at a five way  split? Right, okay. So it would be --  

I give a lot to different -- [ Laughter ]  

Okay, so -- It split between  the five of us, and it would come  from the members of  it would be that you are bidding on behalf  of the five of us.  

Anybody was to come join me,  they can. 6:30, a week from Thursday. I have to be there,  anyway, so, my family, we do the  national anthem.  

I would encourage you to bid  on somebody that's not getting bids.  

Yeah, oh yeah. You can look down  there.  

Even if you have two that are  not --  

I'm looking for the lightest  pig.  

The lightest pig is not getting  bids. Okay. That takes care of that  one. All right, my time to close here, so we  can get out of here and go eat lunch,  some of you want to eat lunch today.  Okay. Bring it back to order. The group that addressed us this  morning. That is the fourth time  I've heard them address it. What  I have said in the past is Volusia  County  does not have the control  over the utility district. And what is being proposed by Foreman Beach is not under  the control of us approving or  not approving that process,  because they are the utility provider.  I've also said and confirmed that  the only time it would come up to us as if they  want to do a taxing situation for  which we are the tax collecting  agency for the County and they  wanted to do that to have people  pay for it which is so far off of  consideration, that's the time we  would, we are not involved in the approval of whether or not  it needs to be done. That's up  to the city. The utility provider. And it  is anything different from that,  that I'm saying wrong, that we are  in control of it, we are not, we are not in control  of the annexation. We are not in  control of the utility being provided.  Whatever the guy was talking about, the trunk line that goes up  a 1A, that they maintain  we let it stay broken, George, I  don't think he's talking about us. 

Right. The pipe is owned by the  city.  

I understood that. And the same  guy that wanted to shoot us all, that needs to be addressed as well.  The next time , if we have a deputy or someone  here that someone wants to shoot  us, if you hear anything about shooting  us, please, somebody, plainclothes  or a deputy, please come. Because  like I was a little irate, and I  was moving back a little bit.  I wasn't ready to duck it. But he  was a little irate.  

Areola to return fire? Too I  think we would be. But the point  is, we allow people to say whatever  they want, it doesn't have to be  true. That's the sad part about  it. As we  take the time for the people to  comment, they say whatever they  want, it doesn't have to be true,  and we can't respond. But oftentimes,  it goes on as being the gospel truth,  when it's spread it in a newspaper  like the observer or the Hometown  news. I know it would not be printed in the news Journal, because this is Dustin's last day and he  would not dare do that, today. So , making statements like, that the current  system, the sewer system and the treatment plan is not working,  it's not our treatment plan. But  fact of the matter is, it is working.  Pipe 1A, Dustin, the fair, we are adjourned at 1:35. Have  a good day. 
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