>> HAVE A WORKSHOP STARTING AT 9:00. IF YOU WOULD LINEUP, I DON'T  LIKE TO DO THAT, JUST SO EVERYONE  CAN HAVE TIME. LINEUP OVER HERE  ON THIS SIDE MAYBE. 
     I WILL CALL YOU, KATHIE, YOU WILL  BE FIRST. NANCY VAUGHAN YOU WILL  BE SECOND. MELISSA'S THIRD.  SCOTT  JAMES. KEN PARKER. Diane Parker. Sharon. Susie peace. You  didn't bring your husband with you  Susie? I know you usually sign your emails  both of you, so, we will start in  just a couple of minutes. But this  way everyone will have their opportunity  to share their three minutes. We will  start without him.  >> Good morning, it is 830 and think  all of you for being here, we are  interested in hearing your comments  however we will not respond to those,  so take your name, address for the  record, and you will have your three  minutes, and if someone has already  said exactly what you are going  to say, it would be kind of you  for the rest just may be to say  whatever, I can't tell you not to  do it, but for the sake of time  so everyone can speak. The  first speaker is Kathie Lowenstein.  

Good morning.  Kathie Lowenstein, 214 East  Washington  Avenue, DeLand.  I am a former employee of the Florida  forest service, the tired in December  2017 as a four-story resource administrator  for the state lands in three  counties. So of course, I was very  involved in this issue in the past. 
     Starting in 2010. We had the issue , introduced to us. That  was during the 2010 management plan  being developed, or revised and  updated for the state forest. So, déjà vu, guess what?  In 2020, the plan is up for revision.  That is one of the principal things  I wanted to ensure that the cancel  was aware of in considering this.  So, it sounds like you may be aware  that that management plan and upper  revision, the elected officials  are invited to be part of the process and asked to  have the management advisory group which  asks many of these types of questions in the state force. Another speaking  to our current forestry resource administrator  Justin Jones, she is very much interested  in reactivated reactivating the liaison function for one of the County Council persons  for the state forest. And I wanted  to reinforce how valuable that is  for a good understanding of the  conservation land , in  particular, in this case, Tiger  Bay. Although Lake George state  forest you may be familiar with is also by the purview of  the state forest system. But Tiger  Bay, understanding its cons conservation benefits and also  understanding the role of conservation  lands, of course is an integral  part of the County Counsel's view  over the County Counsel conservation land.  So, understanding that on conservation  lands, the most important element  is that conservation protecting that purpose of acquisition and  protecting the land, and second,  is bringing in what is compatible  public use. Many times in the past arguments for economic revenues, such  as the Daytona Beach's previous  support, letter of support for the  state forest opening, were brought out, law  enforcement has said ATVs need a  place to go. Conservation lands  have been examined on the County  lands as well as the state service  roads, to see if there were more  avenues to open access. I want to  ask you all also to look at the  state program for ATVs, and  they will help with that in an advisory capacity.  

Thank you Kathie.  Nancy. 

Good morning. Can you hear me?  

Good morning ladies of the county counsel. My name is Nancy Vaughan,  I live at 6389 limelight Drive in  Fort Orange, and I would like to  address the issue of the letter  of recommendation. To the state,  to open up Tiger Bay forest to a  TV writing. Writing. First of  all thank you for making a motion for reinstating  until there could be a time for  specific public comments, I look  forward to that. When the issue  was first elevated  before counsel in 2013, Kathie Lowenstein,  who we just heard from, a representative  from the first service pointed out  that the state  land for water resource  protection. The money is specifically  designated for substantive  land preservation, and her expert opinion, Lowenstein set the  ATV use would not be appropriate in line with the  original intent of the use of this  land. Additional problems expected  would include erosion, disturbing wildlife, damage  to wetlands, and damage to fire  roads. At that time,  the citizens of Volusia  believed  this issue had been  resolved. The question has been  asked, what has changed since 19,  sorry, since 2013. To me the thing that comes to mind is  that since that time there has been  a dramatic increase in a new home  surrounding the land at Tiger Bay  that will be drawing down water  from our aquifer. Considering that  wills for both Daytona Beach and  Ormond Beach lie within the forest,  I think that is imperative that  we protect the drinking water for  those two cities. This forest needs to be allowed  to do the job it was intended to  do, protect our water. Thank you  very much for your consideration.  

Thank you, Nancy. Melissa Lammers. 

Good morning honorable counsel, manager  wrecked and walled and stuff, my  name is Minister of timers, I live  at 10 Listeria Drive and Ormond  Beach Florida which is in Ormond  by the sea. I'm here to speak on behalf of the current users  of Tiger Bay state forest, hikers,  hunters, horseback riders, bicycle  riders, birders, native plant enthusiasts,  picnickers, photographers, Boy Scouts,  Girl Scouts, and people who simply  want to enjoy the quiet and solitude  of nature. It is my understanding that the  Council intends to revisit its decision  to send a letter to the Florida  forest service and support of allowing , excuse me, ATVs and  possibly other vehicles in Tiger  Bay. I hope you will do that, I  applauded. And that you resend the  idea of sending Matt letter. Beginning  back in 1977 Tiger Bay state forest  was required under the environmentally  David endangered lands programs so that  it can impart function as a wildlife  corridor, since then development  has checked off or obliterated more  and more of wild Florida, making  wildlife corridors more and more  important to the survival of Florida's  fauna and flora. ATVs are incompatible with this  primary function of the forest,  and indeed, the Florida forest service  has deemed ATVs as inappropriate  for the first for a variety of reasons  including the physiographic limitations  of the tract and the environment with sensitivity of that land,  the cost repair ATV damage to the  forest would likely outweigh any  money ATVs could bring in. A 2006 /2007  study brought up in the 2013 discussion  of this issue showed a deficit of  nearly $85,000, not chump change. Among the likely  harms to the forest are damage to  vegetation, preventing regrowth  and damaging tree roots which fundamentally  changes the ecology of the land,  impacting wildlife. Soil  compaction, which directly affects  our water quantity and soil erosion  and runoff which affects our water  quality. In addition, Tiger Bay  is home to the which is found nowhere  else in the world other than in  Volusia  County  and the endangered woodpecker and Bachman sparrow.  For all of these reasons, I urge  the council to again, as they wisely  did in 2013, withdraw  any support for allowing these motorist  vehicles in Tiger Bay state forest,  and I think you.  

Thank you Melissa. Scott James? 

Good morning. I am Scott James,  I live at 1431 first seat in Orange  city Florida . I'm also the service manager at  RCL Honda which is a small dealership  here in  DeLand. Firstly I want to thank  you for your support of opening  up  the Tiger Bay for ATV and off-road  writers. Currently in Volusia  County  there is nowhere to write.  We have to go to big scrubs in Ocala,  crumb, which is previously mentioned,  or other places, so that I would bring along some numbers,  we have been in business for three  years and in that time we have sold  479 side-by-side's. 225 dirt bikes,  and 582 ATVs right here in DeLand. That is a total of 1286  new units that doesn't include  used. And it doesn't include the  hundreds of other units that we  service at our dealership. All of  those units represent a family member  from a family that is an 
     enthusiast for off-road vehicles.  So once again, thank you for your  support and I hope you will continue  to give it, have a nice day.  

Thank you, Scott. Ken Parker. 

Morning, my name is can Parker,  and I own the residence at 2509 Hill Street.  And I am back after I drove down  last month to ask to reconsider  opening the discussion backup for  parking at 16th.  After the meeting, I spent some  time , you know, thinking about how to  approach this, I reached out to  a number of the Council, spoke with  two, and I would just urge  you to read the county's charter. Well access to  the beach as part of the charter,  it also ask you  to consider the environment and what you do to the environment.  And so, it is not a this or that,  it is a both. I went back and listened 
     to the meeting minutes, and I must  say, I think staff did a poor job  of preparing the counsel for the  discussion. I think they were vague  in their discussion. I think they  provided details that were inaccurate,  and the fact that we paid a professional  licensed engineering group $115,000 and provided no details about the  actual impact, I find odd. Okay. I would  tell you to maybe think about it in this context, if Walmart  was to come to this county, and  request to build a parking lots, and do what they are going to do  on 16th. I would guarantee you,  the answer would be no. They  couldn't take out the palm trees,  they couldn't take out the palmettos,  they couldn't take out the dune,  they couldn't do it. Before a parking  lot, we will. And it is  equivalent to, if you live in the  city, somebody coming and going  we are going to build a rideshare  in your neighborhood, so people  have access to the County transit system. That is the equivalent. And you  would say no to that. And I think you should reconsider.  And I think you should demand from  staff to provide the details that  engineers provide when they can  make decisions. The fact that they  would talk to you about a retaining  wall of 18 feet or whatever the  height is, but  not tell you how much dune is going  to be removed, or vaguely referenced  a few palm trees but not say how  many, or talk about stormwater. They give you the specific details of storm water and how  we were going to capture it and  move it and treat it. We don't have  stormwater. It is a hole in the  ground. Where are they going to  take it to? Do you know? Put a hole in the ground?  I don't think so. They talk about  the driveway. 
     And Ms. Wheeler was passionate about,  how did this happen? They didn't  step in and say the driveway was  70 years old. And I know my  time is up, and we may go away and  they may say well, he is a part-time,  look at his form right? I grew up  going to the speech. I ate hot dogs  at the real estate office.  

Think you can.  

I spent every holiday at the  speech. 

Thank you, can. Your comments  are taken seriously. Think you.  

Diane.  

Good morning.  My name is Diane Parker, and I am Ken's wife, and we own 2507 and  2509 Hill Street. I am from Titus 
     and we, the same, grew up going  to the speech. I am asking you to  reconsider your decision, and I am so disappointed that the information  you received was inaccurate. And  I would like to start with saying  that no one from the county has  ever reached out to my husband and  I to talk about this development.  I found out about this from a neighbor,  I reached out to the county  to find out who to speak with. And  IA began contacting and 
     emailing Niles this is a ski. I  would call and leave messages and  he would eventually coming back.  He assured me we would be part of  the discussion when the development  process began. I asked 
     to meet him out there with the contractor  who is going to be looking at the  property, and he ensured me it wasn't  time to do that. But he would reach  out to me when the development process  started. Because he didn't, we were  forced to hire an attorney to try  to help us. And, one of the  things that concerns me most about  this entire discussion, is we are  putting a commercial parking lot  in a residential area. There are  six homes on the north side  of Hill Street between the publican  and the 16th Avenue access. There  is a walk , a crosswalk at 15th Avenue. That  is what pedestrians use to get onto  the beach. They cross the 15th Avenue walkway,  they turn right onto Hill Street,  Hill Street does a very narrow street. There is no room for street parking  because it is so narrow, and so  what is going to happen as cars  are going to pool looking for those  nine spaces, there's no pedestrian  sidewalk there. There is going to be a safety issue  because there is nowhere for the  pedestrians walking to get to the  access, and the cars to drive. We  don't have a parking issue right now, but  we will because cars are going to  be looking for those nine spaces  that you have proposed. And there  is going to be a safety issue and not one piece of information I  have read in the newspaper or anything  that anything has talked about is  the safety of the pedestrians. And  if there is truly a fear that New  Smyrna Beach is going to lose its  permit to drive on the beach, then  there ought to be a comprehensive  study about the best way to provide  parking for the residents of Volusia  County .  There is a parking lot  further south across from the untied and several  condominiums that provides well  over 100 parking spaces. It is very  well constructed, there is a very  well marked pedestrian crosswalk right there, and if there  truly is a concern about parking and permitting to drive on the  beach, then that is the kind of  setting, that is the kind of investment  they should be looking at making  to provide the largest number of  parking spaces. But please don't  but it commercial parking lot in  our residential area 
     where we have children, where all  of the people that stated our homes  have children. And consider the  safety of the residence, not just  nine parking spaces, thank you.  

Thank you, Diane. Sharon.  LeBoeuf. LeBoeuf. 

LeBoeuf. Can you hear me? Good  morning everyone. My name is  Sharon LeBoeuf. 1487 West  Silver ham in DeLand. I am a registered voter  on Florida native who advocates  for Florida's natural resources  with a focus  on the future of our  drinking water. I am against opening  every trail or firebreak in Tiger Bay  for an ATV enthusiast. Importantly, the forest was  named after its largest physiographic future, Tiger Bay. And extensive wetland the provides a crucial aquifer recharge for the local  area. It also provides  wildlife corridors,  for species, listed as endangered. Threatened, or of special concern. And,  if my memory serves the subject  of ATV use , was determined  by the state and county council  in 2013. Why bring it up again  now? I guess we now, now.  But it was without public notice. It is ironic that this matter  was presented and approved by Council without public awareness . Shortly after the  people of Volusia County  voted  no-confidence  on the one half cent tax.  It does make it awkward for me to go back to my  friends, family, and neighbors and  ask them to trust again . So, I am hoping that  the Council will come  to a reconciliation  that goes along with the people , the majority of the people, in Volusia County .   Thank you so much.  

Thank you Miss LeBoeuf. Susie. 

Hello? Good morning. I am glad  to be here, and thank you for giving  us an opportunity to speak. My name  is Susie peace, like peace sign,  and I live at 1571 Alanson  Drive in DeLand, Florida.   I don't have a lot to say, because most people have Artie said how  I feel. I appreciate  you giving us another chance to  give you our opinions,  hopefully July 2nd will be, this issue will be on the agenda. I think  that ATVs are just the tip of the  iceberg. Because up in Ocala, that big scrub,  they are called OH fees, which means  off-highway vehicles, which opens  the door to jeeps, and I was just  telling my husband this morning,  I said God only knows what else they are  going to invent in the next 10 years  that can go out there and spin around  and tear up everything. And if you go out to the big scrub  in Ocala which is 45 minutes from  here, because we usually go to Juniper  Springs, but it is 45 minutes, it  is not an hour drive. And if you  look at the trails there, they are  pretty torn up. So, it  is an example of what can happen. I have asked my friend who  is a bear biologist with the  FWC, I said what does that do to  the wildlife in that area? And he  said well, he said as long as they  stay on the trails they are supposed  to be on, as long as they are out  there a certain amount of time,  in other words, if there is a regularity  to it, the wildlife kind of adopt.  But if they are out there, off the trails,  spinning around, sneaking in , this time, that time, that it  is extremely disruptive. I think  that one of you mentioned that you had fences cut by these people  to get in the property,  and I am not saying they don't need  a place to ride, but they don't  need a pristine wetland area,  a rechargers area, conservation area. So,  I am glad we are rethinking this,  and I appreciate your consideration  of this matter and putting it back  on the agenda. And thank you very  much for your time.  

Thank you. I am sorry I pronounced  it wrong to start with, was there  anyone else? Okay.  With that, we will close the public  participation portion. At 851. And  we will move to  our workshop which will be downstairs  in the training room. And you  will be back here at 1:00. 
     >> [ The event has moved downstairs  for the workshop and will reconvene  at 1:00PM Eastern Standard Time.  Captioner on stand by ] 
     >> The one we had a few months ago , we had growth management come  out of that which you just actually  had some presentations on. And of  course we talked a bit of that time  about some social media, which we  are working on. There are other things on that  list that are all in process. So  as we meet here today, we do have a list of items here 
     from Mr. Kelly, Miss Kirkman. And  Miss Wheeler. But I know that is  just talking points from them and of course everybody will  be putting in whether other  priorities are. And I do hope that today we can  come out of it again, with direction  on where we want to take the vast resources of this county  and apply that power  onto  various project  and it needs that you guys see fit  as we go forward. So, with that,  Mr. charity.  

One thing I thought it would be  helpful, one thing I have used for  years, and we have used in Norman  Beach, is that if you have an idea or concept, this is just to get  it out there to see if the rest  of the Council or member of the  Council desires for to go forward.  And so instead of trying to go into  all the details of every single  thing, I will just give you an example,  you can take one minute or less, if anybody has ideas or thoughts  I am sharing. I  can introduce them to you in less  than a minute, because you can say yes, no, and  move on. And each person take the  time. I won't go into the details on  each one, I don't think that is  necessary. Do we want staff to research  and bring back those  items for detail and discussion?  If you don't want them to be brought  back, you just say no, thumbs down,  and we move on. I will start with  the first one, which is if we don't  prevail on the amendment 10 appeal, we are  going to have to make some changes  to our charter at that time. There are some amendments Dan and  I talked, he said yes, the wording  in their is going to have to be  changed. I thought  all along and I will get this in  a minute, that we can change the  name of elected council member to  Commissioner as the other 66 counties  have. In fact they said that would  make their life a lot easier, we  are all addressed as commissioners  when we are were around then, and I thought  that would be something we could  do is a counsel, adopt it, but that  question on for people to vote to  change the charter.  

So, are we having discussion  on those at all?  

If you don't want to, I will  market off on my list. 

I think that's a good idea, that  is my point.  

[ Inaudible ] 

I don't think it's a bad idea.  

I'm for it.  

For.  

Okay, we will move on to that  one, and then Georgia can ask Dan and work up the  languages he is working up any other  things that make him a. My next  item is the city on the Centrale  board, although Fred had to pitch  for me. I would like to get a feeling of where we as a counsel feel we  should go. The next point is, do  we really want to push for the traps  to come to DeLand, or are we okay with them  not coming to DeLand?  The 80, 90, or $100 million is  going to be expended by the state,  or where do we want to go?  

Mr. chair, I definitely think we should  fight the fact that we are playing  for a track that we didn't get. To move forward with that, I don't  know that I am ready to do that,  to try to push for it at this point.  But I sure know I don't want to  pay for something that we aren't  using.  

Our next meeting is not until  August I believe.  

They are supposed to start bimonthly  meetings.  

You're kidding me.  

No, they voted to do that when  I was there. 

They don't have a July meeting  scheduled.  

Now, but they're going to start  next August. And I have talked to  several of the former counsel people  who voted for bringing this in  and most of the ones I talked to , had they known how much it was  going to end up costing would not  have been for it, and I would probably  feel like just thinking of them  as well, I am not really for pushing  for anymore, especially in line the line that we see,  that is just where is that now.  Who knows where it will be in five  more years. I say we got the mail,  let's get the amendment, get things  amended so we pay for that and and  hope for a brighter day someday. 

Seems to me like the general  commission is to ignore Volusia  County .  I am against taking attorney for the, I'm against  spending any money they don't do  paying for our part of the rail,  and that is it. 

I completely agree that. 

I agree that we need to ensure that we do not need to pay for  more than what we are getting, but  I would also like to see is perhaps  revisit what it should be, based  on where we are today, not where  we were 7 to 10 years ago when this  was initiated. This is an opportunity to renegotiate  what is best for Volusia County  now, compared to what it  was then. So that is what I would  ask for.  

First of all I think there is  a thought at the tables, as I understand  it, that is encouraging FDO  to to continue it for two more years.  I don't know that the skies will  be friendly to that. I can't imagine they will, I think  that is one of the reasons the meetings  are going to increase, is because FDOT  wants to walk away as soon as I  can from this and turn it over to  the counties. We are already averaging  $50 million  in sun rail debt today  with current ridership without the  expansion to DeLand and there is no way I  can justify to the taxpayers of  Volusia County  committing to  a long-term deficit with the  redline that is going up higher  than we ever thought it would, because I  believe they forecast at this time,  maybe 7 million. They are at 50  million shortage as of today.  

 That is countywide, that is the  five entities, that is not just  pollution.  

But we share in the gains, and unfortunately we are sharing in  the buses, which will be a debt , and the other question is,  how do you fund it? The promises  that , well, there's money going to be  made available, or, this could happen,  or that can happen. And I hear you Councilwoman Gartman about wanting  to revisit its now, but this contract  was made before any of us were on  this counsel, and the unfortunate  thing is we have to walk it out.  So, the best we can hope for as  I understand it, is to open up contract. They haven't  even agreed to open up the contract  and that they are holding over our  head is if you put up the contract,  then they want this, so if we open  it up for Volusia , we open it up for all  of the funding partners, so  ,  don't go to DeLand,  we can't afford it.  We can't afford  what we have now, so stand firm , whoever represents us, thank you  for doing that for the taxpayers. 

I was just going to add, too,  knowing now what we know, about  the debt ratio,  you know, I don't know why it was  not thought at the beginning ,  that it would not just stop at  DeLand, but go over to the side.  For me to take it, it is 45 minutes  to get here to even get on, I am  better off just driving. But I think we are finding out  what the debt is with this, I think  that has to be our decision, that  we just can't go further, but I  certainly don't want to pay for  what we don't have.  

I will pursue it in those lines,  I won't make any commitments for  the Council. For expanding, I will  challenge them to try to find the  money, I can also use this as a  negotiating tool , to maybe gain something. Because  what I think all of you are  aware of, any one vote can  call the whole thing.  It is like the United Nations.  

Veto power.  

Veto power. So anything  that is put up there, it is the  only card we have we can plan that  is our ace in the hole. Or the city  of Orlando wants something out of  it. The city of Orange County once  something out of it. And we do have some negotiating  chips, maybe we can use , and if they are not willing to  put it off for two years, which  I think would be the best thing,  that would be the strategy, but  in the meantime, not push for the 11.2 miles and the hundred  million dollars, which I don't believe , a , Mr. Tebo was able to even convince  the state that he needed the money,  I don't believe the senators would  sign a bill or send the proclamation  of $100 million to build a train  track.  

I agree.  

So we will do that. I  will do one more, and then we will  let some others,  when I realized it a couple  years ago, the way that we are still funded  on healthcare. I know it is a great  concept and a great thing. Is anybody  else other than V able to look at  why we are able to keep 60, $64  million in a fund? What?  It is not? What is it?  

This  last year was around 25 million  debt. 

So some of the 64 million was  set aside?  

[ Inaudible ]. 

That was the number I had seen  that was in the reserves for healthcare.  But then that puts a  whole new switch on it.  

So, Mr. Chair,  maybe  we should have done the five-year forecast before  we did this workshop, because I  think were going to circle back  to the five-year forecast even in some projects for some  of us may want to go forward on,  I asked that same question when  I first, because I'm a licensed  agent, right? So, when we took a  look at it, years ago, we took a  look at it, at my request, the option  is actually extremely positive financially . So the bottom line is either,  we keep 24 million for us,  or an insurance company that we  are licensed with keeps 24 million in their coffers. I would much  rather be in control of  the funding stream, and we will take  a look at that.  

We can stop and move on. I will  kill down.  

You're welcome.  

That is easy. That is how we  get things done. And if you have an idea and it  is not there, you just move on.  We will start with, you had ideas  for economic strategies.  

I would like to get going  with some of your concepts, because  I think that you have got some good  stuff there.  

We will knock some of these out. I would like to see us to bring  back, I know that there has been  some work with, what is the name  of the company?  

DeBary.  

DeBary, we have seen  some plans, not the best plans,  second best plans, I would  like for us to see if we can move  forward with that at the 250 North  B Street location. Especially in light of the fact  that we know from a safety standpoint  and functional standpoint, the city  Island poorhouse is not that functional.  George.  

Will just  an update, the Council, you reboot just recently the Dewberry  and negotiated a task assignment  to go back with the old concept that we actually had  shown you last summer. And what has happened of course  since then is so much has gone out  in the city of Daytona.  And the city came to meet with us  on it. We decided that, on top of  that, in our dealings with FEMA, we also were alluded to the fact  that Billie  may have been John midsts officially,  that they would give us money to  replace it on the same  parcel.  So we are exploring that option.  Still with FEMA, very time-consuming. As well, we  had Dewberry go back and put that  back into the equation . Work with the city and work with  what is going on over there, so  their task will be to work with  us as we meet with the city to work  with their plans and modify the  square footage and location  and what was over there, knowing  that you may have 250 North B Street  rebuilt in a form that would be  usable for offices , but remember it is an old  Sears building, we have made work  for a long period of time. This  is an opportunity to get a new building,  it may not be attached to the center, but it would be  right next to it. The city would  like to keep Palmetto, because of  their plans.  They see it winding back and becoming  a back entrance into the Hyatt Brown  facility. So, they see a very walkable community back to  their. They are also just to the  north, looking now at living areas.  So, it looks like a good project for Dewberry to  take all that into consideration.  

Mr. Chair, I heard you saying  that  the 250 B  Street may be able to be usable? I thought I heard the may be. And all along I have been hearing  now.  

The address, in  other words, the land there, what  we are looking at, the very original concepts that  you guys had seen, considered it  torn down, and parking being put  their. But after, you know, working with FEMA, we realized ,  well, you have the opportunity to  possibly get that building rebuilt  to the modern standards,, and be built  and put on that parcel and can possibly  move around on the parcel, so you  can pick up 7 million, maybe, six  to $7 million worth of building  so it will be paid for by FEMA and  our insurance company.  

I think some of the conversation  we are having with Daytona is the  parking, correct? 

Yeah, other parking that has  come along.  

I think that's important we have  those conversations with them.  

Yeah, the original concept contemplated  a self-contained parking garage.  And that may not be necessary  with all the people building garages  in that area. 

Okay, so, everyone, we will continue  following with that one. Is that  okay, because it is in the works.  Here is another one and then we  have all seen the concept , conceptual design by Daytona Beach  every development around the ocean  center. You  haven't seen it? Have you seen it? 

I have seen some, but I haven't  seen a lot of it. Now, what all  are you referring to? With the . 

Let's just leave it at this.  

To mocha.  

The parking area.  

One of the things are brought  up with the manager yesterday, and  I do want to make sure that is enforced,  that, you know,  the request I have been giving is  for access to any of the counties private parking areas, especially  Main Street, be open to the public when it is not being used by the  ocean center. And I know, we had kind of said yes we could do  that, but from what I hear, it is still not  being opened and I do think I would  like to see that move forward.  

We are getting into more detail  than I really wanted to do.  

Well, that is part of the conversation. 

I understand, but I'm trying  to get through this stuff.  

So what you mean by work with  Daytona on the recent development?  

They own and control a portion  of the area around their. To property  owners on about 80% of what the  County and the city does not own.  And to try to work with them collaboratively  to see what comes out of concepts that can work with us, nothing  is saying we are going to agree  with it, but just to continue to  work and move the project forward,  so we can see whether or not we  want to work with them.  

I definitely want to work with  them  in redeveloping that area.  

One of the concepts was, on the  west side of the ocean center, was  apartment complex. Just for example.  To be put their. Other concepts  are building a parking garage on  the southwest corner area , which would then be able to transfer  parking spots to the garage . Some of those type things. I know  I am getting into more detail. 

Right, but where is this information  communicative? You are saying the  concepts, but I am saying how are  those concepts coming to you and  we are not.  

I was asked to attend a meeting  months ago, about six months ago? About six months ago. To look at  a concept. I would like to see if  we can have , to still pursue the conversation.  

It is our job to do that. Yes.  We need to go ahead with it , that area is going to wake up  and we need to be a part of helping  it grow, there's several little  things that all of a sudden you're  going to see end is going to make  Daytona go live and it is our duty and responsibility and we  have property that means a lot with  what we have there, too, to go ahead  and help them to get MainStreet to be viable again the  around and not just seasonal.  

Mr. Chair, that is one of the  areas I have a concern as.  You  obviously have had a meeting with  them, that is my district. I have  been working my channel and off  there, and I wasn't sure of some  of the stuff that was going on.  It would be real nice,  I understand.  

Before anything is done, all  of us will see it. 

I think we should all be in on  the conversation as these things  are happening, this is not a supersecret,  you know, this is not a  private business deal that needs  to remain quiet that we can't be  involved in , those kinds of discussions.  

If you want counsel support,  counsel is going to be in on it.  

We need to be aware from day  one.  

You are talking apartments?  My question is, the county is not  going to be in the business of building  up Herman's. Are we just talking  about partnering with them and sending  or turning over land title or? 

I am just considering conversation  to see what comes out of it.  

But we are not going to be building  apartments are.  

Now, but probably making sure  we are on the table on that because  we have a $90 million investment  in that area, and there is a master  plan of that as well, that you would  want to make sure those apartments  would include us from expansion  of the ocean center.  

What I would like to see happen , is, as  a counsel, if he can be provided  the basic information at the beginning,  and as these discussions are happening, you say you had a meeting several  months ago, so prior to us all deciding that, okay, we are going to  move forward on this idea, it would  be nice for all of us to have, already  have had that background. So maybe  we can do that from here forward?  And any kind of  future endeavors.  

I have never met  with the city on that particular  area. So, I think that  is part of my responsibility as  a chair. With the elected , I was asked to meet  with the principals and with actually 
     Daytona, with the manager and others.  So, somebody has to engage conversation,  I didn't make any commitments, I  sat in and listened, asked questions  and what we.  

I don't think that is the challenge,  the question is, how do we become  better informed just overall? And who  is responsible for communicating  that? I don't think that necessarily  has to come from you. I think there  needs to be some collective communication that comes out to us, because  I think that is what is happening, Volusia  I do there is a lot of  projects in our area that we may  not be privy to.   

I think we're early on this,  the major thing right now is do  we want to be involved? That is  the question, Isaias. I say yes. We got to look into it, we have  got to be there for our safety partners  to help them out. It takes all of  us to turn this around, that is  the issue right now. Not getting  into the weeds.  

That looking for weeds, we are  looking for communication. That  is the issue. I am not talking this  issue specific, only I am saying  how does communication come to us  and what is that expectation?  

I think especially when it is  in our districts, too.  

When he said, you don't know?  Like you expected that we would.  And that there was some, and I said . 

It is also in my area. And bends, just saying.  

Okay but the district stuffed  is all honesty, when we vote , we don't float districtwide, we  vote countywide. But  here's the thing, Volusia has always  been at the table with our cities  unless we are asked not to. So I assume we will collaborate and  we will work with the cities and it is the teacher's responsibility,  or the vice chair, you know, as  chair of the Council, to speak on  our behalf and bring it to us, so this is the beginning  of a good process and I would assume  we are at the table. My only question  was, red flag, is yes we are partnered,  just don't ask us to build the buildings  in a city.  

Everybody knows, I can't make  a commitment for this counsel. I  can't do that. And I will not. And  nothing I say 

We know that, Mr. Chair.  

 When we volunteer the next on which should be 
     pretty easy, developed more for  the affordable housing board, I  have had, I guess four of the members  approach me and say , we were used as a rubberstamp.  We feel that we have a lot to offer  for affordable housing, and I suggest  that on this one that somehow, someway  between Donna and the rest  of their staff, we develop a criteria, develop things  we can explore, that we haven't.  Or maybe even we have and go more  on what we can have this board before  us with affordable housing,  and let the community know, we are  actively working on that. Is that  okay?  

Yep.  

Okey-doke. This next one might  be pretty easy.  

Yes. 

Explore County parking fees for  offbeat parking. I have talked  to people in Ormond Beach, there  Park fills up before 10:00. It did when I was there as the  mayor, it fills up, no movement,  no chance to park their. Resident,  nonresident, whatever. They had  suggested just in discussions that possibly if  you could figure a way to limit  parking to four hours or sometime  frame or something.  The city of Ormond Beach covers  the cost of the maintenance of it.  The county and the city, at the  cost of developing it, so that creates  a little something on that particular  one. As we move and have more parking  areas, do we want to look and see  if we can create something to charge  for parking? And offset some of  the costs.  

Mr. Chair, absolutely yes.  And New Smyrna Beach, and even  not in the weekends, during the  week, we know the businesses, their  employees that are using our  off beach parking for their parking.  So, I think we need  to, as we know our beaches more  are full at capacity, as you know  for the top five ramps down there,  and our off beach parking, I know  for a fact the businesses are using  them for their employees, and so  before some of our  beachgoers get an opportunity to  get in and try for a beach,  for a parking spot, so yes, I would  like to pursue it. Actually the  cities want us to, too. 
     Absolutely.  

You see that people are using  it, and residents are not having  a chance to go there. If there was  a fee to park there, the revenues  come from somebody and it might  discourage or might encourage the hotel to  find of the parking so that residents  who want to go to the beach and  park and have it. Anybody against looking at it?  

 I don't like the idea of charging  more for beach parking.  And a lot of the things we are bringing  up just sounds like enforcement  issues. So maybe we need to look for  enforcement rather than charging  quick  

I agree with what you're saying.  And I am constantly talking about  the hard rock area, I get complaints  on that all the time from the neighbors. As well as mature homes parking in there and  taking up three at the park sideways , taking out their awning and they  are there for the day. I think we  do need to have restrictions on  it. I just hate to tax the locals  again for beach parking.  

It is not the locals.  

So, the locals get a free pass?  

No, I am not saying that. I am  just saying in Ormond Beach it is  the people from Ocala and also the  area.  

Is there a way that the locals  can have a pass there?  

This is in the weeds again and  I had asked with them last year  or the year before when we looked  at raising the fees, I said why  can't they be allowed, if they have  a annual pass on their car, why  couldn't that work and he said no,  because of the tax situation. 

Can we just have this brought  back with some ideas? Anybody bringing it back  for that? We will move off of that  one. Here is another one, I think  going forward this may be way out  there. That I thought about this  as best as I could. If they had  remote parking, with transportation  to the beach, to an area, where  they could  come in, pay a nominal fee, I am getting in the weeds, I don't  mean to get in the weeds, but you  have parking here for two or 300  cars with transportation to the  beach. A shuttle to and from the  beach. This is long-range, at some  point, we want to look at something  like that or not?  

It's going to have to be looked  at one day, and it could be you  know, a bus service back and forth  that they have to pay for the bus  service. And pay for the parking. The people park over there, to not be expensive but we have  to pay for it. We can't give it  all for free. It is just like a  while ago you mentioned something,  about enforcement, there is no sense  in doing anything if you don't have  enforcement because all that is  is a plan with no function behind  it. I  just buy my ticket, don't worry  about it, sit there, don't buy my  ticket, but somebody to look at  it, you haven't done anything, but  we are going to have to take and  look in the future of more away  from it because he beat side parking  is wearing out, the only other thing  you could possibly do is of some  of those places make angled parking.  That might have to be it. Parking  garage or angled parking on some  of these roads we have to take and  do something there. But we're going  to have to do something. 

We need to have people to have access. Sometimes when there is no access  there is only one of two ramps open. What we are doing,  we are providing access.  

My question is, I would just  like to ask George, do we have money  set aside for purchasing anymore? 

Off beach parking. 

Back to new Smyrna, if we are  going to look at this, I'm going  to go back to the five-year forecast,  how are you going to pay for it, we can't even get a city to maintain  their central station, let alone  off-base perching parking in some  areas. We fluttered in India for a trolley and New Smyrna Beach. 
     The turned it down last month, walked  away from a two-year funding stream.  To do just this,  Mr. Chair, I   brought FDOT in.  I was aware  of the grant, I made  sure FDOT came in, introduced them  to my commissioners and the managers,  set up the meetings, we helped,  staff helped get that grant through,  they qualified  and at the end of the day, they  said no. So we can't do  what the city doesn't want to do.  So, that is my only two since. 

We can only provide the water  to drink, they don't have to drink  it.  

I was going to ask a question.  I know my first term, we bought  several parcels along the coast for parking, have  we developed all of those? Has that  all been developed, or is there  still some sitting there? 

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We still have got some areas  that could be developed.  

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Right, okay. There on order,  on schedule. That is what I was  wanting to ask, thank you.  

But we do have echo grants that  could be used to purchase off the  parking that I think we did before.  

If you look at the next issue  that I have.  

You're welcome. 

On that, I am talking long term, we need to be aware  that we  need to provide as much parking  for access as we can, it is not  something, just to have it on the  radar, that not that we are going to do  anything on it.  

I think, though, we need to be  focusing on our current per service. I am very wary of adding additional  bus service of any kind until we  get our bus service we  already have providing a press service  for the citizens.  

Agreed, I think we need to evaluate  echo funds. Last year we looked  at the balance and the fact we didn't  have enough people applying for  funds, should we change some of  the requirements on the echo requirements?  Should we adjust them? Should we  discontinue taxing for echo? And  just use the funds we have? For  making big impacts? We need to have  a real serious discussion on that,  not right now, but I would like  to have it brought back , look at echo, where we are,  the revenues, and have that as a  discussion, a serious discussion  item.  

I would like to have that as  a workshop. We could just  come in here, lay it out, figure  out where we are at and where we  are headed.  

On the echo funds and the taxes,  let's have a workshop specifically, we could set aside  an hour or something, specifically  for that.  >> Mr. Chair, the only way to extend  it is making a voter initiative.  But as far as changing qualifications  for the grant process with echo,  we cannot do that. We  have had years of an application with requirements,  we will fill those chambers up.  With people that have not qualified  or that have qualified and we can't  change the rules at the end of the  day. 

Let's sit down and discuss it.  

Let's decide gusset, will have  a workshop on the echo, we'll find  out how much we have, what we have  people applying for, and the sunset  I thought is like in three years  or two years.  

22? When does it stop?  

Three years. 21, which is two years later. 

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The last year we collect, but  didn't we decide  the boardwalk money would go back  and click  

It is already there.  

Would extend the life of the  echo?  

No. It only allows the money  to be there to be used.  

And we also include the forever Volusia on  that, too? I am wondering where  that statuses. And we ought to bring  it up.  

Hello, can you hear me? Okay, just so you know,  we will be going over echo in our  five-year forecast. So, you will  see what funds will be available  at the end of the term, so we will  go through that.  

I think it is good for us to  sit down and hash it out. 

That is fired of the five-year  forecast, would be the suggestion  to do what you're talking about.  We have money and because we put  the board money back  in, but it is a substantial amount  of money, so you do have a lot of  options in this area.  

Whenever we do this, we want  to make sure we are not inadvertently , not to leave out to our echo board  members. Inadvertently, a lot of  times we get all  full steam ahead and we forget our  players.  

We have a workshop we should  include the board members.  

Absolutely, they come out to  do this for free and we have to  have been there, and we inadvertently  do that, nobody plans and it just  gets that way.  

I'm sorry I  got so many of these, but I think  that we need to somehow be more  active than we are. On the social  media. I don't  think we have a twitter account,  I know people don't like twitter,  I don't think we have an Instagram  account. We probably do. I don't  see it. But we need to be out there but when we finish this meeting  today, right now, somebody needs  to be treating, posting, Instagram  ring, the photo of  us in the workshop discussing priorities. Put it  out there, but the people know we  are working.  

Some of our biggest troubles happen for what we don't say, our  failure to make our sales pitches  one. Our next biggest problem with  that is, not countering false information.  We have made  been eaten up so many times because about the time  they put it out there three times  and challenge, it becomes faxed.  We need somebody who cruises these  things if they say something that  is wrong, we counter it and we used to call  it just the facts. You don't argue  with them. You just put out what  the facts are of this situation  that you can back up. 
     But we have got to get ahead of  that curve, because social media  is killing this country with this  kind of stuff and it is not that  hard for us to take and cruise these  different sites and just let them  know here is what the truth about  is.  

I think that will help to negate  that is if we consistently put out  what the deal is. Today, we did  a B and C, and here is what we said.  And here's what we have accomplished,  and in a church and I have had many  discussions about this, but Volusia  County does so many things, we have  so many departments, and so every  single day, every director should  have some amazing thing for something that we can put out to  the universe. And the fact  that we are not doing that leaves us wide-open.  

Some of this is starting to come  in. This stuff  is working that direction. 

Nothing on the directors, I know  you guys are doing great work is  what I'm saying.  

I have plans, I want to bring  them forward.  

We have lost some investment  but it does, we are  definitely tackling this issue right  now. 

I think it's really important  because we need that to have our  back. Because I want get on social  media to do the arguing. Because  that just opens up. That we need that message out there. And I know  every single day I get things from  Pat McEwan, great information, but  how is it getting out there? 

It has to go out in  multiple mediums. Because like you  said, you mention  a tweet, put it out, that is great  but not for a lot of other people  I know. So we would have to get it out  in multiple mediums. 

We do a lot of good things in  our sales pitch sucks.  

We are not telling our story. We are not telling the story well  enough, and if we don't tell the  story, there are others framing  it and even after a meeting twisting  what happened in a meeting, or a  certain outcome of that is got,  we have got to answer that. And  what I have been doing , I'm going to get more proactive,  I am taking the link from the audio  of a meeting, I have got a whole  library full of these by category,  they are going to start going up.  So, if you're going to say something  has happened, or this happened where  that photo happened or something  was twisted, the only way to answer  that is not with our words but what actually  happened during the meeting. So  I think it is time, it is time that  we tell our story. George we have been saying this  for years. We have to tell our story,  and if you don't, others will.  

It's a minimum output for maximum  return.  

They got ahead of the story that  happened, when they are going to  redevelop the Home Depot, Toys "R"  Us area. In Daytona, right? Great  concept of what is going to happen  there. Two days before that, patrol  or somebody ,  one of the antis posting how horrible  it is that that has devastated that  shopping center and everybody went  to tinker and to mocha square. Well, now they will succeed at  Tomoca square and we open up a an  opportunity for the space and the  other businesses , but and Lisa  Lewis got more compliments on what  she did on responding to the  negative false comments, but all it takes is two  or three people to say it and I  believe it, so we have got to do  a better job and everybody agrees  to that?  

I did want to bring up one point.  Kevin puts out a monthly thing of  everything we have done. Every time  I get it I'm amazed. But what I am saying is, I  am amazed at all  that has been accomplished and everything  this stuff is doing. I think even  having a link to that on one of  the sides, so the citizens .  

They are not going to read it.  You have got 120 characters, they  kicked it up to 240, you got two  or three sentences, one picture,  one comment, if anybody is interested  they will drill down, but you can't  put a whole months worth, you can't  do that. It has got to be Ishibashi.  

We need a simple message to the average community that is a rebranding  Volusia candy for where we are and  where we want to go.  

Because theory.  

Keep it simple.  But keep it consistent and keep  it positive and just keep it I guess,  connecting. We have got to connect  in a different way.  

And I think of that? I like what you just said, rebranding  Volusia County. I know we have talked  about that before and our reputation  out of County and in County.  

I think we are wearing the set,  I think we all agree.  

If we could have staff actually  focus on rebranding Volusia County, like  making that the focus and then all  of this would fall into place? 

That would be, by having the  information go out daily, hourly,  however it goes out, that goes to  the lack of, creates the transparency  issue or theory of having everything  out there. As soon as possible.  

But you almost need somebody  to be on the seat and destroy mission,  to get into these sites.  

Damage control. That we have  a social media person that does  that? Don't we pay someone that  doesn't right now? Isn't that their  job?  

Seek and inform I guess maybe  a better way of saying it. 

We have staff that go and monitor  the sites.  

Don't we have a vendor, though? 

We have a social media vendor  that helps us maximize our site.  I couldn't tell you. 

Maybe we need to review that.  

But we will definitely monitor  it and try to maximize it. I will  say, some of our various departments  also do a very good job, I know  how to at the airport, when there  has been changes,  airlines, things of that nature. 
     They have been very quick to get  on and answer any of the negativity,  that can come on, that  comes on social media and I think  that has worked very well up there. 

Let's move on. 

I think it is a big issue, though.  So I think we rush through some  things.  

It is  just like the echo, this is worth a very substantial item. 

Actually, letting us know in  detail what is being done, do we  have , you can find social media people  that, I had one that could search  every site, everywhere, and it is  not that expensive to have someone. 

Right, but I don't even think  it is all about that level. That  is just one lane of communication.  The rebranding is the public face  and the messaging. That you are  seeing Volusia County through fresh  eyes. So  I think that is a campaign, that  is just the difference , that's different than what we  are talking about responding to. 
     And I don't think you can spit information  out and have it be effective, because  now it is overkill. Now it seems  so much that it has no effect at  all. Because it is just so much  out there. So I think you have to  be very strategic how you do this,  and really have a plan, a marketing Evolution plan for what we are  trying to do.  

I think Donald Trump would disagree.  Just getting.  

Well, you don't think he had  a plan? He had a plan to target  a market.  

I am talking about his tweets. I don't think he is over killed  his use, this would be a small part  of what we are trying to do to rebrand and let people know. That is what  I'm saying. 

Stuff going to come back to us  with some rebranding ideas? 

I think the whole idea, yeah.  

I want to make sure we are kept  in the loop on this process.  

I actually already have some  meetings about this, talked to outside  vendors, talked to some of our businesses  in the area. Try and get ideas about  what they are doing. Maybe we can  also leverage some of this with  what is also being done already. This  is a lot of work in that area, of  course the private sector is probably  out ahead of us. So, I'm trying to bring all that  information together, so, yeah,  we will have a very intensive discussion about it. But I also  want you to know, not waiting, I  mean we already are, we have added  some stuff, we are looking deep  into the organization, and a lot of the positive things  that are on that list that Kevin  comes out with and we are going  out and making stories out of that  to allow , again, be able to see it. Because,  who does have the time to read all  that? It is there, some people do,  but the idea is, we do into that  and pull out things and other things  we're doing, we are looking at video.  Other ways to tell a story. Because  we know that  other generations, that is what  they like.  

Maybe we could get routine updates  instead of just one final giant  updates?  

That's fine. And part  of that just in all honesty, is  a little shorthanded, I had to go  to two weeks, to get some of that  done. We can break  it up a little bit better. But,  I will say, it has been an impressive body  of work just to have it together  and in one spot like we do. I think  that has helped out a lot.  

I think  as we are having staff tried to  get out in front of the news, we  need to be out in front, too. You know, what dressmakers is if  I have a citizen, and say, hey,  what is going on with this? And  I don't have a clue. Or, worse yet,  if it makes a newspaper.  

We are aware of that, and I will  say, I think where  we have to just in general improve  a little bit, is because the media  will ask questions and things, and  then 
     they are doing similar, they don't  run it that day necessarily, they  are gathering information for a  long-term story, and we need to  do a little bit better job of letting  everyone know that is going on.  Because it tends to pop up two weeks  later, and, as a feature story or  something. And we didn't know it  was coming at that time. And then we got caught on that.  So we will work better to let you  guys know things that are going  on, because we may not know, it  is up to them when they are going  to put the street.  

Speaking of things going on,  his counsel included in  all press releases? 

They should be, and I will make  sure if not.  

I don't think that we are, and  I have asked this previously. Any  time there is any information going  out, there should be an automatic  counsel list, it should just , not even blind carbon copy,  cancel should be included in every  press release that goes out, for  answer to a media. When I get a  call from the media and said, well, you know, so and  so just responded to this, would  you like to comment? And I am like,  I haven't seen that, I don't know  what you're talking about. That  puts me in a position of saying,  staff is not briefed us, I don't  know what is going on, and we don't  want to be put in that position.  So, we don't have to reinvent the  wheel either. I will tell you who  is doing the best in my opinion, New Smyrna Beach. Their little city with their social  media, they are doing a great job  of marketing, to the point, every  time our Volusia County library , that is a New Smyrna Beach, whenever  we put an event out , Pat  Q and's events, them markets the  heck out of it. I can't tell you  how many people tell me they love  New Smyrna Beach, with the city  of New Smyrna Beach is doing with  their library. This is our library,  and I'm just making a point, because  I am glad, it is very successful.  And I give kudos to the city of  New Smyrna Beach, they are doing  a great job with their marketing  and their media, so don't reinvent  the wheel, find out what works,  just reproduce what they're doing. 

That brings a question. When, like she was talking about,  with their library, and same thing  with Port Orange library. Do we  alert the cities? Does that notice  go to them, too?  

Yes. 

Because I know I pass that on  to each of the cities, but I just  wondered if staff does that?  

Yeah, and the PIO's , the community information folks  of each other cities meet with us.  I know they have 
     a regular monthly meeting as well.  

So we just had this with the  whole place library which is opening  tomorrow? The grand opening, and  I saw on the announcement list,  where the ribbon-cutting list, that's  two people from Holly Hill were  coming and I 
     said that is actually an County  area and Daytona, and I know that the zone starts  at the second half of that street,  so it is right there. So I inquired, have we also invited the mayor of Daytona and the city commissioners?  And of course Pat said that they  had. They just hadn't gotten back  to us at. But like the  library opening, you know, I haven't  seen any advertisements for  that, or notices. I saw we got a press release. But I haven't  seen any, nothing with a picture,  no flyer. Is there anything in any  of the other libraries that tells  those people that maybe you  are going to city Island that live  up in Derby Shire, that this  is now opening? I don't know, because  I haven't seen it, so if we are  doing that that is fantastic, but  again, we need that communication  ported to us, because if we have  the flair, I would love to put that  out there. So we would definitely  can be collaborative.  

I think some of the collaborative,  because they closed the little library they had, and  it will serve as Holly Hill, which  got them on the board.  

They definitely should be there,  I just wanted to make sure that  everybody, you are talking about  inviting the cities.  

And outback  

This week on his hundred and first. I make  sure I said that to the city so  they can post it on their site.  Because I hadn't seen anything about  it.  

We need to move on off of this  one. I didn't mean to do it this  way, but we did it. Ms. Groopman, you want to lead  into your thoughts?  >> So on the economic development  strategies, I think one of the constant  conversations is that incentives. Incentives for development,  the new business, and to me, it is almost  like semantics. It is an  incentive, but it is really an investment in our own land  and property. So, I think I can, do we need to  have a different conversation with  our public about when we  are contributing to  something happening in Volusia County, and we are putting it to work , infrastructure that  regardless of what goes there, too many to position that  conversation differently? Because the way it is often projected as  a giveaway, and ultimately it is an improvement of  

 Barb, 100%. 

We are handing cash to  someone. So. Some things to me, is like we can do  rebranding, but  

A different way of saying it. 

To make it more concrete, where  it is more understandable to the  public.  

Barb?  >> That is one of the things.  

The County manager and I had  this conversation the other day  and that is something I think we  all probably agree with. Because  once again, it is not what we did that as a sales pitch, and we have  got to start taking it, even on  the ones we have done in the past,  what we have to do is get up there,  here's what the incentives were,  and a lot of us weren't even on  the board at that time. Here is  what the incentives were, here's  what it provided, here's what the  tax role is going to be, here is  where it is taking us. So that the  people understand that it is not  just understanding it is always  some kind of a giveaway, but it  is to bring in jobs, to bring in tax space, just  for instance, Daytona one was just  a piece of property, how much is  it going to bring back? We need  to take and turn around and even  go backwards, and what have we done,  and here's what it has brought in. But in the future  before we give any incentives, here's  what the incentives are. Here's  what it covers, and here's what  it's going to bring us, instead  of just, the county is giving this  much money two-acre.  

I think that's a good point,  to go back to some of them. Brown  is a perfect example on Beach Street. Everybody thinks we are handing  money to this billionaire  but it is basically the infrastructure  and around is where our money is  going towards, wasn't it correct  George?  

Right.  

Yeah, so it is infrastructure  that needed to be done, and it wasn't  handing them the money. 

Yeah, and it's a redevelopment.  These are being done in areas that  are --  

-- Flooded.  

There is a  car dealership at one time, the  other had all the buildings from  GE had sat there for years.  So these are redevelopments, which,  you know, definitely considered  Parkrose. And needed to  have their infrastructure upgraded and in place in areas where they  were out. So, all of our  money that you see for the most  part is all infrastructure upgrade , or we have matched a , in some cases, a QT  I for apartment with the state.  

That is hidden. That is not there for people to  say, it is not differentiating,  the $7.8 million or whatever the  number is, is for infrastructure.  The other small part is for job  creation above value added jobs,  and that is always just lumped in. 

We are providing a Lexus, but  we are doing a sales pitch. 

To me that is part of the language  that needs to change, this isn't  a sales pitch. This isn't, we need  to pitch this to you, this is how  we are dealing and using the  funds that we have, and how it is  prudent, and necessary and needed  for the growth and the vision for  where we want to take Volusia County. And to me, I think  if you use a sales pitch, that is  part of what people are pushing  back on. So I think  it's a matter of changing our own  perspective on it.  

I think right now, we are heading  that direction. It is kind of  late, but it is never too late.  And it goes back once again to, 
     the transparency, so the people  can see what it is. We get this  information out, we have already  started, looking out at to do it,  to let the people know, here is  what was provided. But in the future,  once again, it is not what we do.  It is sometimes that our pitch  we don't do out in the county to  let the people know what we are  providing, and for what reason , not just giveaways, this is for  the future of Volusia County, both  in jobs and tax structure, and to  get the taxes off the homes and  onto commercial property.  

Perfect. Small businesses.  

So, for small business, I believe our economic development  team is working on the process. 
     But I also want, I guess I read  something recently about how much business is really home-based business.  

75%.  

Right, and to me that means that  the needs and expectations are different,  on how the recesses that are needed  are different. So, much of what is and places more  traditional. So, I think it needs  to be a conversation maybe with  staff about, what are we doing to  meet the needs of that current model? Because, I think that is evolving.  And I don't know that we are ahead  of it, and that we are really working  with that to make the most. 

I don't think people are aware, just how large that percent is  of home-based businesses is in today's  climate. People are working from  home, doing whatever they are  doing, providing a service or, a  lot of it is just , not Amazon, but you know.  >> This is one of  the things I wanted to talk about  before, as a small business incentive.  And, because 90% of the businesses  in Volusia County are small business,  then you are saying 75% of those  are home-based.  

I think the new ones that are  being developed are home-based.  Yes, but my point is, and talking  with staff is actually working  to provide  some sort of plan and have, since we have the changeover in our economic  development division, this is a  very opportune time for us to reboot  and really reassess that division  as well. And I know we had talked about  having them come in front of us  and having that discussion, we didn't  really have that opportunity. But  this is a perfect time to have our  economic development division reassess  and really look at small business. 
     And what we are providing the small  business owners and Volusia County.  Because, those really are our lifeblood  of the county. And we haven't been focusing on  that sick or. In the past.  So, I would really like to  see a focus on that, and it sounds  like you would as well. So, to see  an actual game plan from the economic  development division.  

The business incubators, the  one thing most people don't even  know about in the county, how do  we get that out more? But also, how do we help the people  who aren't going to get that deep  into it? But same token, we need  to take one of those stories about the business incubators,  but how do we help and take the  other businesses that aren't looking  for quite so much involvement as  that?  

That is very timely. We are in  transition as well with the incubators, you know, UCF has had the big change  of the top. So, we are looking at  the future of the incubator that  they are running. And that will be part of the discussion  of how we reassess and modernize our economic filament.  

Going from there, George, George  and I have talked about that as  well. You  have the home-based businesses of  the bottom level, and then you have  the smaller businesses that those  90% in Volusia, who have under this  many employees. And  they are employees , I would like to see the economic  development division work on working  with them to help  their employees. So,  if we could get our community services  division, may be tied in with our  economic development division, to  focus on small business and focus  on assisting their employees. And  get them to focus more on the  lifeblood of the county, I think  that would be a good idea, because  we don't currently have anything  like that in place. And that is  a good partnership.  

And neither is our library. We  have Linda, my son was this weekend  doing work on the amount of stuff  you can do in small businesses that they are using offer  home-based training, on that system. And we have asked, as  a county user,  we put a lot of money into that,  and all you need is a library card.  And the stuff that is on there is  amazing. Again, it would be a resource  you could show people. And something with a library card  they could really do a lot. 

I think one thing, too, we might  want to think about, is bringing  Daytona State College more into  the mix. Because, you know, start  training in that area, there's more  and more that open up and you have  come people out in the community like gala morons or business people  who invest, but maybe starting more  of a program. May be not even a  degree program, but a certificate  program to help them out.  

I think those are the types of  incentives that could be working.  

Let's bring them altogether. 

So, again, timely today.  We have a lot going on. 

So, under community redevelopment , I wanted to ask about , when we were  at the  Florida Association of Counties, we were in a  session regarding opportunity zones. And  I have participated, when  I was on economic development with  the city of DeLand, and there was a project  regarding  Brownfields and hub zones. So I am just curious , have we looked at that's countywide  to identify where those areas are? How do I see a mapping of that , you know, those opportunities?  And does staff have that prepared,  and is that something that we can  follow up and strengthen? Or, make  that connection .  

I would like to have, if you  don't mind, Rick answer a little  bit to that. Rick, will you come  on appear. Take my spot. 

We are.  When you talk about redevelopment,  there is a lot of different activities,  the CRA's , Brownfields, the opportunity zones.  The opportunity zones and they Brownfields 
     are really city centric. Especially in the opportunity zones. The tax  mechanism, for investors , to encourage investors. It is  very complicated. I took a CLE course  on it. It is  really, located. But it is a tool. As of the Brownfield. And Brown headquarters is in a  Brownfield, and the city of Daytona  Beach. So, these things are all  tools that we do work with and are  involved, and that being said, it  is mostly a tool for within cities. Especially the opportunity zones. CRA's and , to a lesser extent, Brownfields. We have identified a lot of Brownfields  around the area, so, yes, we definitely  have these all laid out. If you  would like to have more information  on how they work, we can work on  that for our next one. 

I would like to see that but  I would also like to see the mapping  of the over they. Because, 
     I think to really help, it takes  opportunity, where it is a CRA,  it is a hub zone, it is an opportunity  zone. And perhaps a Brownfield,  to really be able to direct someone.  >> And we have, I like to use the  term, tools in the toolbox. Is are  tools in our toolbox, and we do that.  

But can we see that? Is there  a way for you to map it out to where  we could actually get an idea?  

We could provide that information  to.  

That would be great.  

Let me give an example. We actually  undertook a pretty massive IT effort  ourselves, using  L Hill in our IT department.  We were to cities to  start overlaying other things like  utilities. Which can get sensitive,  because , you know, for security reasons,  not everyone wants to have where everything is.  The same kind of idea, does the  area have the proper zoning?  Does it have the utilities available , to help you make decisions so  that they are not necessarily just  looking at a nice field, and understanding, well, right  over here there is something that may have most of those things  already in place, and us drive down your development costs or costs  to get started. So, we use those  tools as well. 
     Maybe we can show you an example.  

A good example, George, and we  were talking to this because they  both attended that opportunity zone  workshop. And the Fountainhead division , Fountainhead project in  Holly Hill, they came in and they are  working on creating a complex. But  the complex and the  final plans entail affordable housing  on the property. And, you know, that area is off of Center Street. So,  you know, when I was initially talking  to him last year, or the year before  about it, you know, I thought,  opportunity zone, you have got to  be in the opportunity zone that  is being put out, the list. And  he was not. Because,  on to the West is all opportunity  zone, and to the east is all opportunity  zone, but the one little section  where he is, is not opportunity  zone, which is interesting. So,  for those people who are willing  to invest in our community, and we are looking at these kind of  things, we have really got to lay this out. And especially of  counsel, if it is communicated to  counsel, we can help assist in that  as well.  

I agree. I just had the same  thing in Daytona. As you know, I  was able to get the use  of three Tran buses because they  were taking people , investors into the opportunity  zones to look at housing. So,  I mean, because I had gone with Daytona  and asked for their opportunity  zone, so I even knew what I was  talking about, but we are out there.  We are out there in our communities. It is really advantageous  for us to know where those zones  are, so well we are out there making  those contacts, I am constantly  trying to find something to bring  back to Volusia. So, that is not  my job job but that is part of it. 

I think that's a good point,  and I talked to our employees and  folks about all the time, we all need to be  ambassadors. If you think about  that and you empower an organization of this size, and  everybody is an ambassador about what is going on, you are  really leveraging that good news,  that's good feel. And that is what  we talked about, of course from an organizational level, but  then in the community level as well. 

So, next is  environmental conservation. So,  I was interested to know how much land does the county  owned that conservation land? How  much land is  still buildable? And do we have consideration to  purchase additional conservation  land and have funds to do that? So, have  there been properties already identified? I just think, with what is  going on right now,  there is a much of a focus on echo  and environmental and conservation  and  where are we building, where aren't  we building. I don't know that the  public knows how much , well, I guess, I don't know. I  don't know so they probably don't  know. How much land we already own,  that, you know, we preserve, that  we don't let's be abused, and,  you know. So, when you bring up something  like current challenges, it looks  like we are just kind of reading  the land forces, we have  hundreds of thousands of acres of conserved. 

We have been good stewards.  

But I don't know that, so does  our public know that?  

We just put a lot of it together.  We had displayed some of that at the Council meeting recently,  and also at the roundtable. The  devoured intent is to take it  more public. And get that out there. So, that part we have assembled  that information and mapped it,  we have that. And now, we get it out on some  of this media we have been talking  about earlier. The other part you  asked, do we have set aside money? There is nothing to really set  aside at this point. You will have  another decision on evolution forever coming up.  There are lands that we could go after to try and  complete corridors.  But that is a decision considering  the amount we arty have. And have  to maintain. Just like a lot  of other things. So, those are things  we do have to take a look at. And,  but there is nothing to set aside  right now. You have  done a tremendous job of buying  to date. And other  things you have done, too, are like  local plans, where you have done  planning and set-aside areas of  the county that will remain in a  rural character. So, without buying the land, you  have gotten that community to agree  to remain somewhat local in character,  so therefore, you have been able  to do that type of conservation without  actually having to on the land.  So.  

Okay.  

Last I have is fiscal  responsibility and transparency. I know it is great that we have  done the five-year forecast, and , but I think again, how does that become  more transparent and digestible  to the public? I think it is back  to the same conversation about branding.  And 
     just having visible information,  that you can go to anytime, and  there is a ticker or there is something that is always up and available  to see, you know. 

We are working on it as we speak,  because, we have included in  our material , what the budget cycle is, which  basically is year-round.  But for everybody behind you and  all, it is a year-round process.  What we are going to do this year, you will do the five-year forecast,  which, you know, is your first look  at what the budget could be. We have assembled  a budget, we have, you know, things  that made it in, things that maybe  didn't make it in. But we  also put together, and this would  be the first time for when we do  the budget, is kind of an executive  summary. With some, I call them  dashboards, but definitely some  looks. So you don't have to  go to these particular areas.  You're going to like it, it is very  visual, and gives other history  and effect's. In each of those areas.  So, rather than being, you know,  get this, too. You  will have all of that, but what  we will have is a much thinner type go to book, that you will  be able to look and quickly pull  up each of the areas , and get key data out of that.  And then if you need to get the  background, of course you will have  the other. And of course it is always  available online. So, I think we  are going to have a much easier  ability to look into the budget  this year. And, again, we are really kicking it  off today. You know, with taking  that looked on the road. Because I think one of the dangers,  and you're talking about fiscal  responsibility, and I have talked to other managers and stuff that  don't do this. A lot of them wish  they did, is because if you do the  onesie budget, you are not really , you know, you scrape  down, and we made it another year. You know it is like making it  another month. We don't want to  live like that. We have got  a responsibility to not live like  that, we absolutely have to be ready  for things we cannot anticipate.  So, that is why the five-year look, and it's a forecast, it's a living  document that needs to be able to  be changed, but you take it a snapshot  and you're looking at today, and  how it relates to some of the knowns  and unknowns over the next five  year period. And I think that is  responsible, fiscally responsible  and transparent, because it should  be a look at what, you know, what  we are thinking about. And to our  division heads, it is about also getting some of  these projects that may be needed , and I think what we  really learn from the past even before you get on the five-year  forecast, you see, one or two things  that are very maintenance related,  that came up. If we build this,  or fix this, you're going to have  to fix that. So you see a little  bit of that in here. In the five-year  forecast. But  you won't see some of the buildings  and things that have been talked  about because no decision has been  made, so you really shouldn't put  them on their. And it is our job  to make sure we do it for you to  have an extensive conversation as  to why we need it, what information  do we need. Occasionally we have  to spend money, though. 

When I sit down of the staff  to ask the questions, I can't connect this one to that one, it is in  tab A, section 32 649 C, move over to tab D, it will  connect with us on there and then  we moved it from this fund to that  fund. There is no flow of information  that connects the big picture , and honestly, stuff will tell  you, I asked questions I asked hours  of questions, and at some point,  you just get tired of asking questions,  and say, I want an executive summary,  but we should be able, all of us  should be able to look at a fund,  watch the flow of dollars, in and  out, and where it is in the agenda,  and what counsel  has approved and has been moved. We don't have that. 

That is what we are working on. I  call it a dashboard, more than a  summary, you will see why, because  it is colorful.  Because it does have charts and  things, we have it in  other areas, other software's where  the department heads , are looking at data. 

Miss Denise, I can sizzle the  grilling and question you do, I  am glad I never dated your daughter.  I don't have a daughter. For that very purpose. 

One of the things, too, and adding  to that, when we are doing  our five-year plan for our capital projects,  there are some projects I am just  going to throw went out, the main  Street bridge. That has been in  the discussion, is there anywhere  that we have just a list of those ? They haven't made it onto that  five-year, but for new people coming  in,  I don't know, I have been in here  2 1/2 years, and there's a lot of  things that were discussed prior  to me. That I don't even know that  they should have been in the discussion  today. So some of the past history helps  those of us who are in here now.  

We actually got started, Miss  Denny's who brought us the idea  who brought us the capital program. But we  need to build off of that as well I think  all the department heads, would  agree, because you had several different  systems. [ Captioners Transitioning  ] 
     >> 

To get those numbers to match at  any given day , it's a challenge. However by putting everyone to gather in  the room and being responsible for  that we've come a long ways. Is a perfect? No. We've got  a better look than we've had. We putting too much on the street  right now?, Could  we manage right now, should  we fall back and get stuff done  if that's what is required, those  are the things helps  us do. It gets an alert to the folks  at the budget  if they had something like that 
     if they needed to move on. It's  a whole team usually to put something  together. You have engineering and others to design and  manage it. There's a lot that goes  on to a project. Finally this to  that main Street facility specifically. You have the  general fund capital part which  gets a lot of the  attention. Within public works in  the road area that's a  separate listing.  We probably should look at a place  to put them together will you see  the different funding so you know  they are different. You don't want  to confuse the people and having  them think you're using general  fund dollars on a bridge for something  when you're using gas tax trick  

That was some concise communication.  We had the discussion of impact  fees. Rather than having a two hour  workshop and explaining impact fees, a lot of the things  that we are doing are not rocket  science. We talked about doing a one sheeter for impact  fees and putting a pitcher on it. A one sheeter that explained to the public. That  was the miscommunication of what an impact fee is. You don't need  to know the formula to understand  what an impact fee is.  You don't need to have a two hour  feet workshop to understand what an impact fee is. As we are discussing  these extended plans that we are consistently thinking about  concise communication.  >> This is for the common  person to understand.  

Make it simple.  

When we have these conversations with these projects like the main  Street bridge, are we  having constant open dialogue with  Daytona in the process of  that? There idea and our idea may be 
     two different things. Case in point  our Veterans Memorial Plaza. I kept  hearing from them there will not  be one. I'm fighting like crazy  to get the funding for it. I know  it's going to have one. Some were  saying they did not know anything  about it. I we  communicating with the parties involved? It all comes  down to communication. I did -- one of the committees I was  on was on infrastructure  and they were talking about bridges.  I held up the current  2016 bridge report on the  main Street and I think that needs to be somewhere addressed on the table. 

I think you are up now. 

I'm going to jump down. The  economic development structure is 
     been hit on. There are some changes. I would like the reports similar  to what team Volusia did on the  last one. How many contacts were  made. It would be really nice to  get the feel more intense readable . The courthouse was discussed.  One of the things I would like to  bring back because this is another  important Avenue is that  citizens advisory.  Since I've been on counsel they  have not had it. The year prior  to me getting on they had it in  August. The class that went through  that -- Academy  -- citizens Academy. There were 20 people that went  through it and came back. The education was so thorough. All of  them were gung [ NULL ] Volusia  County . They said  we are getting that message out  there. We are interested in doing  it and brought them into the engagement  of our County. I would like to see  that coming back. That is 
     critical key to getting to the citizens  and getting them engaged.  

Are we working with the chambers  for the leadership? I know they  work with the cities. That would  be a great idea.  

We work with them right now in  terms of that we are one of the  main stops. When they go through  we provide a lot of the information. One of the ideas that  we are looking at because it does  hit 20 people or so at  a time, I would like to have in  addition, possibly a  wholesale version that can be  available maybe online and have  open house days. 

Absolutely.  

They can come in -- this weekend is  -- all the cool stuff we  could do. In the meantime rather than sitting through the  power points and other stuff they  usually do they can do that online. This is a big time  commitment for these folks to do  it.  

Is it six weeks?  

I think it's more. It's a big  commitment. It's usually done by  those that the bank puts them through  that. I'm looking for people to  take this and decide to take a weekend  and have an open house. You can come see our equipment  and what's going on. 

I like that. May be a virtual  tour on bite of each division.  

That's the type of thing we are  looking a. It takes time to build  it. It's something to  look at. 

We all need to be  pushing it. 

[Indiscernible - mic is to far  from speaker] 

Set aside an hour. 

I've been having regular meetings  with them. This would be more efficient. 

We can see how well we as a County  do. 
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We need to show appreciation  to them at some point. Once a year  or what ever. I would really like  to have more emphasis  on what we need from them and what they need to do.  

Is there a job description format  for the board so they have an idea? 

I think there is.  

You  mentioned something that has been bothering me since the first appointment.  Is the process we have to go through  weather or not you are appointed  and need a second. You just do it. All of us  appointing different people from  the same board and the process  takes for ever.  

It doesn't seem professional. 

It's difficult to get people  to serve.  

People don't know what it entails.  They get in and don't feel like  they're having an impact.  

I will show  the culture one. The problems that we had on that  is they had gone to a mandatory  training in February. All of the prior people had gone  to this mandatory training and gone  through all the applications and they had  new appointments that next month . There were three people that were not reappointed. They had the knowledge.  That new people didn't have any  of it. That's an important thing. 

Who is responsible for the boards ?  

Not us.  

Is there someone assigned to ensure people  we see -- I remember being  assigned and there was no orientation. 

I had a  board member --  

You were appointed and you did what you did and you figure out how this should  work.  

I appointed someone in November  on a board. Still in February he had not heard anything. He had  not heard if he was on it. No communication.  I know that was brought up several  times. 

In that case one of the issues  the board was not meeting.  >> Do have a standard SOP for someone  who is appointed to a board?  >> Everyone has different rules. I  have them assembled. It took me  a while to get the boards assembled. As well as who  is responsible for them. What we  are doing is elevating,  a lot of times they get put to an assistant or someone and we are going to end that.  

Is there and SOP for them to  follow? 

There will be one. They have different rules  and qualifications . That will be laid out for each  of them. Certain parts would be  the same. There may be specific  rules for each of the boards. We  have to do a better job when they  come on of them being trained  and there's no doubt about it. We have to have a higher level  of attention for some of the people that  are responsible for those boards  in these various areas.  

If we follow up with the boards  routinely, that way they know, the  housing board  had -- who was that  came in -- she came in and spoke and said  she wanted to be involved because  they had good ideas. If we could  reach out from our and Mac and ensure  we as the Council are listening -- if we got a synopsis  from them every year or something or whatever they are working on or  things they would like to propose  to us. Any input from these boards at all for the entire  counsel would be a great idea.  

Here's a question. This running  policy and procedure --  

That's what I am saying. We need and SOP.  

You give it to each person  and it's their duty to read it and  provide a receipt that they have  read it. Keep it simple. Give them what they are  supposed to do and understand it.  We get it back. I'm  sure it takes some work to get it  done. You could have the basic information  for whatever County  and boards on what they can  and cannot do. Here is what you  do. Make it  simple.  

The other piece and I agree with  what you said, one thing that we  have not done and I've brought this  up in the past and it's time to  initiate it. We need to think our  volunteers. We do banquets for everyone else.  We don't do anything for our advisory boards. What I would like to see  is a big thank you, maybe we  kick it off at once. Do them altogether. Make a big deal out of it.  Acknowledge them. Thank them and strengthen them and build relationships  with them. When we  come to the  taxing authorities,  when I appoint if I have not had  to medication from a member, I will  not appoint them. Then the flipside  is if we build relationships  with them, if there's an issue they  will feel free to communicate with all of us. Just because  I appoint one and you appointment  they represent all of us. It's not  just my appointing. They are our appointees.  

We did -- the volunteers  loved it. It was  a banquet. We paid them with a meal. We can do the same thing. What  a difference it made. They looked forward to this every year. It's  a cheap payment for a lot of thankless  work.  >> Barbara and I brought that up several  months ago that we felt that was  important to have a function. I  also think with the citizens Academy where we're going to get people  who will volunteer -- 

-- Exactly. A lot of people.  We use the boards as part of  the curriculum. We ask people to sign up for boards while they are in the  Academy.  

This appreciation needs to be  in line with SOP. They are wanting to have.  If we don't give them the ability  and guidelines to help then --  

-- Are there any boards that  can be eliminated?  

We don't know who that SOP's are right now. 

We've got  four more people that need to speak. 
     I thought of this. We established  over 20 years ago a budgeted advisory board. They would work  hand in hand on the budget process . They  would recommend whether there's  a tax increase or not.  Whether they agreed with it. That  did a lot for the public seen with  the citizens who were on that committee  recommended or supported or did  not support. Whether or not that  is something to look at, look at  a budget board where  they can understand the budget process , can understand how to read our  documents. We appointed a person with financial backgrounds . People who had to deal with the realistic as well as people who could do that.  

You need an average citizen also.  

You don't want people who have  never looked at a budget at all  for a business.  

I think I may want one. That's  who's out there challenging you.  They don't understand it.  If you can help someone like that  understand --  

-- I'm not saying exclude them.  You would not want  to make a make a board that someone  will actively establish your budget  and recommend texting increases  that has no knowledge of $800 million budget which most of us did not either when  we started.  

Instead of directly appointing  if we did the same process for the  boards, if we received applications  so that members of the public could  submit and say this is my experience  in that area and  I would like to be on the board.  

We approved  by vote whether someone was  approved for that. Wasn't you just appoint them.  

I think an application process  would add to transparency and add to  encouraging the public to be more  involved.  

Are you overwhelmed yet?  >> I want further  discussion. You are affecting  a tremendous amount of people out  there . I would want  to know the scope  of what we are talking about. It's  good to have transparency and make  sure everyone understands it. When  it comes down, there are many tough  decisions that are made and I want to make sure they are free to make them and  we can work together.  

You would still be the ultimate  decision maker .  

I don't want to take anything  away from anyone.  

It help  the public and we did have people  who  never had looked at a budget on  that board. I wasn't think exclude  them. We had bankers, business people,  independent business people even  CPAs. We had a good makeup of people  looking at it from all areas. 

Let's move on. My last  thing is , I need more information and input  and what do we do now. I hear  this all the time on  air B&Bs. Are we leaving 
     money on the table? Do we get something  from them? How do we monitor --  I saw something not long ago  -- I mean 
     how tight are we  enforcing it?  

We are very tight in enforcing  it. We have a good  system set up between our  code enforcement revenue, property  appraiser so we do  in force it. We know the air B&Bs  -- there is only one site -- a lot of them comply anyway. They are aboveboard.  They are running that type of a  system. We have been  working with  our B&B. Maybe they  can update me. The last I knew I've had conversation with them and we had an agreement  back to them. We are waiting on comment. We haven't heard anything back.  

How long ago was that? Several  months?  

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     >> We sent that back on areas we could  live with. Everyone has to understand  I cannot audit them. It puts them  on a different playing field in  the hotel/motel and everyone complying where I can go in and audit  their records. They won't let you audit the individual records of the people they are representing.  We are having to work around that  to live with it. We sent that back  to them. We have not heard back  from them on those different  areas that we  have revised. They didn't want you  to go back in history. We don't have to go back  to previous years. Certain things that we could live with. The  biggest issue is they are not on  that same playing field as they are with your hotel/motel/condominium  associations etc. That was the issue. It is a controversial issue . The deputy  director could give you more on  that. It's a controversial issue throughout the state. There  was some legislation on it requiring  they have to offer up there list of clients  so we can have something to audit. We do go in. They do go in . The revenue  folks go in. We have ways to look  for those who -- folks are. We  do ask to get them signed up  with us so they can start remitting  Texas. We can find them.  

Do we have restrict did areas  for those?  

That has  that cross over zoning issue.  We won't collect the taxes if they are running out and collecting.  They could be in an area that is  probably not necessarily for that  purpose. 

Is that the main controversy  with the physical inspection rather  than the audit expect -- inspection? Back to enforcement. 

[Indiscernible - mic is to far  from speaker] 

Is there  any follow-up? What are we doing?  >> We are still in the process of  trying to get something out of Airbnb . There isn't  much. The state and unfortunately the state signed  a contract with Airbnb to take what  they offered a.  They took a lot of wind out of sales  by signing up and deciding they would accept what Airbnb hands over to them  without any ability to audit or  enforce. It makes it difficult. We have been trying hard to  find some middle ground where we  can collect something. We are  doing our own efforts to locate  these people . They do have an obligation. If  you are renting short-term you have  an obligation to collect that tax.  It's not just our text but also  the sales tax. If the states money  as well as the counties money.  >> That's the  point. It's the counties tax.  We have a friend and just received an email from , a gentleman named  Bob Davis. A few of  you know him. Senator Tom Wright used to be on the enforcement board. He's  communicating with Bob is that he  will support legislation to curb  this problem. We have a higher friend  and we are continue to have conversation.  Thank you for that Senator. We need  to collect -- collectively work  on Senator Hudson. He was on the  opposing side.  

Maybe that can be one of our  goals for next year. Let's move  on from that . That will be a good idea to  show support from here that we support  Airbnb. Let's do that -- nothing we have two. I would  support it at one of our legislative items for next year. We need  to have that by November.  

We support follow-up and enforcement. Okay.  

[Indiscernible - mic is to far  from speaker] 

Airbnb issued a PIL or something  yesterday asking compliance by people  to comply with Airbnb on following the laws.  They know the pressure is being  put on. They have taken drastic measures.  Maybe that will help. Let's make  that one of our agendas. Not only 
     are we losing but so is the state. We  are losing  millions and millions of dollars.  

It's not just us losing the money. If the physical inspection. Is  the safety of our citizens as well.  

That's the part they  did not want to touch. They are  afraid to do that. You are right. Let's move on. We finished  the written ones we had. 

[Indiscernible - mic is to far  from speaker] 

There's a lot of miss information  in reference to 15 years. We haven't talked  about the impact fees.  We took await the impact fees. The previous Council is trying  to keep some economic development  on the table. It  was booted on one vote. They  want to say 15 years . What are the impact  fees. Are still not back to the 26/27 levels. How many  building permits are out there?  We are still oh -- about one third trick  

We are less than half.  

This is information we are getting  be with every day that we have to  get out there.  Also I don't no and there's more being done  but we keep seeing emails about the sewage program. Are we  doing everything we can to assist  on the beach? Is there  not a private sewage system that could be brought to  help that area.  

We've had discussions  about that. The individual wants to  sell it. We would  not value it that way. We've had those discussions. We put a program in place.  We put lines and stations along  a one a. Worked with  the city of Norman to have incentives to look into those stations. So condominiums could  get off private systems.  Did week have a taker? We invested quite  a bit of money doing that. The good  news is, there is new  movement surrounding that. 
     The vast majority of it would be  the city of Ormond.  We are working with the city now.  There's a group that I will  be meeting with here in  the next few weeks to discuss further what it may  take to put more people on sewer 
     up there.  

That is the lowest hanging  at the moment. Other than that --  

A few things  that we were interested doing with  the public. Would come from not  electives. When we say things, so  and so gave you  the campaign and you stand up for  them people say. It's hard for us  to defend. I think a  nonperson staff could help out . The echo and  Volusia is something I wanted to  talk about. If the  amendment 10 challenge fails then  we have to change the charter. I did not put my  hand on my bile to uphold amendment  10 but did switch to uphold the  charter. What happens if we put  that on there and it fails. What is our recourse on that? If we fail  in our challenge and put a charter  change to get us in line with that  and it were to fail, or do  we do that? We would be in a bind.  We would be violating  --  

You have to be  at least one in.  

I get sworn out a  lot.  

The a position of the opposing  parties is the amendment  removes [Indiscernible]. It  would not -- further action would not be  required . The provisions could be removed as  other provisions have been. As far  as that the amendment taken place if that counties position  is incorrect no further of the amendment of  the charter would need to be done.  

We would not have to add --  

If the  amendment applies to Volusia it is self executing and does not  require us to implement dish it  doesn't require a change in  the charter to implement.  

Why would we not want our charter  for anyone who looks at it --  

I don't disagree. You put an  editorial note that shows that . You are not in  a dilemma  of having to put it back to the  voters and say they won't do it.  Our position is our charter remains consistent with the Constitution.  If it's inconsistent  because of the state vote it doesn't require a charter amendment  to strike that language. It happens  automatically.  

I was going to propose on the  charter. This is a great segue to bring it up. I was going  to suggest putting the charter  on the ballot. I know we have discussed  that before in talking about amendment 10.  If 11,000 people in the 1960s voted  to put the charter in and the current population voted for  violation of the charter then  that sends -- we should look  at that as a message that perhaps the 550,000  people we have and Volusia which  400,000 plus our voters may not be compatible or happy with the  current charter in place. If we  are talking about inconsistencies  with the Constitution and a number  of other things, I know we  have brought that up before. I suggested  it before that if amendment 10 did  not pass and Ed Kelley you said  you would support that putting  the charter on the ballot. I would  suggest that. That would cover what  you are bringing up.  

We are making a big assumption  when people voted for amendment  10 were voting to change the charter.  That's an assumption you cannot  make. Your making a quantum leap. That's my opinion.  

Agreed.  

Not to assume that, just laying  out those facts and looking at it, that's why I am proposing  to put the charter on the ballot 
     because we now have inconsistencies  with the Constitution because the  current population voted against  men met 10 etc. That's what I'm  proposing it. Just looking  at what is.  

It would be necessary if we prevailed 
     to do what you are suggesting.  

If we prevailed or  failed?  

Prevailed.  

If amendment 10 goes through?  

We prevailed you want to put  out a charter amendment. If we don't  prevail it's done. 

I'm talking about the charter . 

The whole charter.  

I'm  talking about the charter as a whole. Us re-examining the chick  -- current charter. We  are looking at Volusia County  --  

 We could do that but it would take  a vote of five of us.  

It depends upon what we  have in mind. If you're going to  repeal the charter, that's with  the notion is, that requires a special  act of the legislature.  

If we want to amend it which  they do every 10 years, if we want  to amend it like we want to change from counsel  to Commissioner, we can do that  from 5-7 vote . Amendment is within the power of the Council.  There are three different methods.  >> [Indiscernible - mic is to far  from speaker]  

The Council by two thirds vote. The charter itself provides for three methods. 

I'm looking around  this room and I don't believe there's  a person in this room that was here  in this county prior to this charter. If there is, raise  your hand. One,  two. People don't remember.  The old County Council method ,  it was bad news. It was run by County Councilman. How he left  it is who driveway am I going to  pave. Was run by  nonprofessionals. At the time maybe  that's the way it was done. 

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If that's our biggest concern  is where going to revert back to  1922 we have bigger issues . Unfortunately when I'm hearing concerns about  the charter, that's what you here. It was the Volusia low down. We  are not past that now in 2019 you have fear of us reverting back to that, we've got bigger  issues to deal with.  

We are trying to not  go backwards. We may not get back to 1965 but you can  push yourself backwards and you  have to be careful. If we go away  from amendment 10 or if amendment 10 passes  which I think it will, we don't want to take and destroy  the rest of County government because  you can take and end up going backwards  instead of what we have. You have  to be careful on where you are  going.  

 The charter is one thing. I'm not  willing to put  that -- that's my release on it. It's much more  than just that.  I was in a charter city. 

Does  the charter  drive the cars on the beach? 

That's the answer.  

The attorney general said if you would  repeal a charter --  

He did not want to repeal it. 

I would like for us to put it in front of the voters.  

 The charter is for the county to  have control over the beaches under  the statute. The Attorney General -- it would not require  repealing the charter. If you were to repeal  or restore control of the beaches to the city the  Attorney General could  say the cars could come off the  beach.  >> We don't want to do that.  

If we want cars on the beach  we can say we want cars on the beach.  

We don't have that authority. 

One sweet take them  off it's all for ever.  

I thought you want to do an event that we prevailed on amendment  and. I would support a vote to have  the five constitutional officers.  That's what I said. 

I have one more thing to say. In the sun  rail matter, if they will not  open up the contract and we hit  the date  -- [Lost audio] 

I want to know what plan B is  for us. What do we do? 

I would veto everything they  want to do. I would play  that card. If they force it upon us I would play that  whole card. Orlando, Orange County  would not get what they want.  That's when -- been our whole card before.  I spoke to a guy who  was with FDO T at the time and he said this is the worst thing  they have done. It's forced on him. He was working there at  the time. He said, I sit there like  an employee and nod my  head yes. Know what new it was the  wrong thing on what they were being forced to do. 
     He's not with the FDO T anymore. That would be our plan B.  

It will depend upon a lot of  facts that have yet to occur.  The department's position at this  point as Dr. Lowry knows from the last unreal  meeting  is that they hoped to put discretionary money 
     to substitute for the federal money.  Their position is they would have satisfied  their obligation and the agreement  would go on as what was planned. There's a number of issues with  that. Not the least of which is  the rail would not have been constructed  even before 2021. Their view is that  the obligation is in 2021 and that  is the end of that  story. We have to use the opportunities  we can to interject ourselves. 

I think we will.  Who wants to be next? We've got  40 minutes.  

Thank you Mr. Chair. With touched  on everything. We talked about the land that Volusia County owns.  Most of those are owned by  the state. 
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     >> They've got a  beautiful view. It's  prime real estate. We have relocated services  out of Southeast Volusia. We need a Southeast Volusia services  Center. Somewhere. Publicly  out West. The whole area is growing.  We need to serve the citizens. I  think it can be accomplished by  selling the current real estate  that is prime . George we talked about it. We  don't have to build a building.  We can't rent space. With everything  changing in Volusia County maybe  it's wiser to rent some area in an existing place. We need to look at that different  districts in the county where the  growth is likely expanded into Daytona.  We had it planned for the Votran. We expanded that service area. There's a gap  in Southeast Volusia. Would look countywide. What do we have, what  do we need. Just because we bought it years ago and felt like  we were using it but now not using  it and there are no plans, let's  sell it. Let's put it in that category  for construction for future development.  We need to be  good stewards. That's one thing  I would like to look at. The other  area and this is a tough one. Is enclaves. We have to talk  about the enclaves in the county . The way we deliver our services  not only is it rough for  us financially , this is cities to. They would  benefit.  The county garbage truck is going  down and then the  city truck going down the next day  in the same areas.  I don't know how we start this discussion.  Maybe a roundtable,  Mr. Chair. If the city wants this and want to partner with the County, we will partner but we want these  enclaves cleaned up. We have to  address the enclaves. It's time.  It's straining our budget. We  need to be good stewards to address  this.  

We have three right off of 40. You have five days  a week with garbage trucks. They  are all going on the same roads  doing the same services but not  going to the enclaves. I've tried to  have a for  the utilities. Where utilities were provided.  And Tanglewood and behind Walmart those are provided  by separate utilities. People have been paying outrageous  water bills. Whatever we can do, those need to be coming out  as well is the one further out on 40. We need to do something  to get rid of the enclaves.  

A roundtable would be a great place.  

I will bring that up at the next  meeting.  

If you want to negotiate  with the county and once us to mow  that strip that new  summer not should be taking that  Street over. There have been deals that have  been cut and deals need to be finished  that were on the table that are  not completed yet.  

Can we do this? Can we get a  list of known enclaves through the  County, George?  

Yes. We can get it mapped.  

If we had it it would be  easier to present to the board instead  of saying let's look at it. Taking  it and saying here it  is with a visual.  

When you see some of  them where we have to go miles  down through the streets to service people. We will get that together.  

Holly Hill has tried .  >> We need to get this  thing done. We have one or two houses  then two from law enforcement.  You have the police responding  to a crime call and they have  to come into the city and go to  that one house . No one wants to take over because  of property value. It's not efficient.  

That would be a good project  for us to work together with the  cities. Try to find out --  

-- Maybe we can throw in  the sidewalk discussion also.  

That is the same thing.  We should make  this one big discussion and work regionally with the  cities. If we are talking about  this, this is a great opportunity  to talk about smart growth with  the cities now when we're talking  about countywide and S working with  the cities and us being more  efficient and working more responsibly.  

Get rid of the enclaves. You  and talk about smart growth, enclaves has to be a priority.  If they are not discussing enclaves  and smart growth you are kicking  the can  down the road and placed the blame  somewhere else.  

 It became a major thing during the  hurricane cleanup. I note the shores  -- they were cleaned up so far and  then they said the county is to  do this. It was ridiculous.  

Last issue is we have some retirements coming.  We have Judy Graham from [Indiscernible]. We have Kim and a few others. We need  to strengthen some departments.  We are losing institutional knowledge that went it  impacts it we will not know it but  feel the effects of it. ITT , we need to strengthen  that department. With technology  growing we are  not keeping up. That's part of it. Here  the thing.  We are not competitive. Here we  cannot compete with private industry.  During the recession, we kept  employees on which is a good thing.  Now the market is high and they  are cannibalizing our department. They are taking our employees.  They are making money -- I get  it -- we cannot compete with  private industry. George, we need  to look at some of these  categories and increase the pay . We have to get  quality people in here. By the time we are in trouble we  are in trouble. Especially now with  the constitutional officers we have  to have IT and everything connecting. We are not they are. 

You have a great point. 
     People don't realize how fast five  years comes at you. One thing  we may want to do is when someone pushes their drop papers  on the table  is we require them, what is your  secession plan? It can be updated  as people say,  they are targeting people and to  be updated yearly until it gets  down. If you have a plan for someone  to take your position then you have failed. We need to do it -- it's not so much on your head  as it should be on the department 
     numbers had to provide you with  that information so you know where  it's going so then you're not standing  that with an empty back.  

With talk about the efficiencies  with a lot of new  services, you may be  able to do more with less. If you have new  staff that's a part of the new innovation,  it may not be --  you are losing some of the historical  information but also maybe gaining  new efficiencies that are  not in place now. It's a balancing  act.  

We have a good mix. We have internal  candidates for some of these. Sound we will search outside. Sometimes  I search outside to make sure internal  candidates stay on their toes and  can't compete.  It's a mix of that. We have a lot of people who are  also committing to state for some  time. We do have to work on succession planning. We have some key people  retiring. We are also bringing in and develop what we have.  I am confident  we will take the opportunity to improve. I welcome that we  will look at new ways of doing things . I want to give  a shutout to animal control. Sergio has been here for long time and doing a great  job. 
     >> We hit on a number of things I  wanted to talk about. That's fantastic.  The obtainable housing, I would  like to see -- I talked to  community services. I would like  to see us looking outside the box at how we can target getting  [Indiscernible]. I just like us to look outside the box  or thinking outside the box. If  we could have staff  brought in --  >> -- I would like to  see some new innovative ideas. We  got back from a conference in part of that is talking  with other counties and working  with them on strategies  they have in place. Rather than reinventing the wheel, I would  like to see us do that and reaching  out to these other counties. Orange  County has task force they are working  on. I've been keeping up to day  with that on a regular basis to  see we are not reinventing the wheel.  I would like to see staff reach  out to these other counties and see what kind of game plans  are out there and see if they could  pertain to us. 

I met with Habitat for Humanity.  I'm asking them the same thing.  They usually do a single-family  home. I'm saying what's the opportunity for a multi  family? What's additional opportunities  to make a difference? People get  caught in the way Dave done it versus we should now  look broader. I would like to see  how our staff can expand  that opportunity  to say, let's do more collaboration. Habitat also has different divisions. Maybe you need to look at Volusia as  a whole and how you can come to  us with a project and we can help.  Different than what we've  been doing. I don't have the answer.  At least look at it from different  perspectives. Not just as you've  known it to be.  

On  that relative to the homeless issue --  

-- No. Not  for homeless. Obtainable housing. It's  a great segue. Both conversations  into my next thing.  It's us focusing more on  the working poor and Volusia County. United Way has  a number of staff out. When  voice for Volusia has been working  on this  and pointing out all the different 
     professions within our County that  are considered working poor. You  have police officers in that category  as well as social workers.  Your routine live blood of Volusia County is  in this category. I've talked with  community services and part  of the human services advisory board . We want to help the people who  need it in Volusia County. What  I am finding is  there is help available to those who are either homeless or who have --  you have a family with kids, two  people are working, one thing happens  with the car breaks down, they  have zero savings, they know they  cannot afford rent next month but  nothing can be done to help them  until they start going  to the eviction process.  That kind of system  where we don't have anything in  place for the actual  life blood working poor before as they are going through these  crisis is is something we should  be working on. I think it's wonderful if we began looking outside of  County and looking outside the box to see how we can help  the typical citizen  in Volusia County.  

You bring up a point about the federal government. It causes a lot of problems. You  have a working mother with two children that loses her benefits by trying to better herself. That  is disgusting to me. That's on a  federal level. Some of the  funding we receive is tied to  certain conditions. There's more  we can do.  

It doesn't have to be throwing  money at them. In partnering with  our economic development division,  in partnering with different divisions  collectively especially if we look  outside what other innovative things are being done  across the country. There's got  to be some type of programs. Not just throwing money  at people but really  working to help them.  >> I think deferment programs where  you have somebody who creates -- does a misdemeanor or something  that will take them away from their  job, we need something to keep  people employed, still have them pay back their debt to society.  Don't make them homeless and make  the family they have homeless. We've got to look at  different ways of meeting the needs.  It's too easy to put out a family because you've made  a stupid mistake.  >> I'm thinking beyond  that. Working  with them and working -- I like the idea of working with  our economic development division  to work with our small businesses  in the county to come up with ideas  to help their employees. I think  if we started there -- I don't  have the specific answer. There  are many innovative things across  the country we can googling or looking  at.  

I agree. There's got to  be something else that other people  are doing that is working.  Going with that and using our workforce or giving them more  opportunities for workforce, George, we talked  about partnering with the homeless  shelter on delivering the food.  Let me ask you, do we ever use our inmates  for  taking them to a project area? Let's paint these homes that  people can't afford to paint . They need work.  It's good for them to give back.  It's helping the community . Have we tried anything like that?  

You  aren't taking everybody.  

[ Indiscernible - multiple speakers  ]  >> They do a lot of that type of work  only on public property. They won't do it on private. They've  done it on our buildings , things along the beach, erosion  control projects, flood control  projects, they  do things that help out other divisions all the time within County  government.  

Is there something prohibiting  them -- I'm  sitting here thinking --  

Liability is a  keyword.  

You have to be careful to a private person --  

It's giving back  to the community. Before looking  at economic development, these run down communities and buildings, it would be giving  back to the community to have that  area looking better. I'm thinking outside the  box.  

At the [Indiscernible] conference during crisis management there was in-depth discussion about  the diversion programs and how they  are lamenting in a different  amount of areas and how they are  saving families and resources. A  lot of collaboration across the  board from criminal justice systems, social systems and school  systems. There are some examples  out there that  we can refer to.  

Last year I was vice chair in  the juvenile justice subcommittee .  This year I'm looking at  the courts and corrections. I want to work more with corrections  this year. I'm very interested in that . There's a lot to be said. I had  a few other things . Really quick to point out. We've  asked for many things from staff  today. I want to make sure these  are funneled to us as they occur and not waiting  for a Council meeting. To make that  part of the consistent regular communication  instead of a block .  

Some of them requested workshops. That will  happen. Other things that we will put together.  

The listing of the land, enclaves,  mapping and those type of things.  

As far as the workshops, are  you willing to do a counsel day  to have a set  aside period of time to have a workshop?  

Absolute the. 
     -- Absolutely.  

We will try to set those agendas  in . Maybe not today but the next meeting.  Say we will have this, when would  you like to have this workshop?  July 16 or something .  

We have a lot of  things coming. Budget and stuff as well. We  will be busy.  

We get our full pay. 

That's one thing we learned. 

We knew that. Speaking  of that, when I go to meetings  like you all do and I sit in this  big meeting in South Florida and I've got a Commissioner from  this County sitting here, Commissioner and Commissioner and this Commissioner  to my left has two assistants continually updating her and him over here  he's got his one on one  assistant and I am here doing  my own power points, doing my  own research -- the  point is this,  Volusia is at a disadvantage before we even come to the table. We want to represent  Volusia County. When I walk into  a room I know I am already  challenged because --  I do my own research and  power points. We don't as councilmembers  have that ability. George, we need to strengthen councils 
     administration support services  area. We need support. You've got members here -- all of us are in different areas  of active peace  -- extra piece and we need to say  we need this . I should not be saying that. I  said it. Here we are. We used to  have workshops, budget workshops throughout the year on different departments. It was I  would like us to see once  a month a different budget  update from a department. Here's  where we are. Here's the strength,  weaknesses, we may need this, here's  an update etc. We used to have that. We've  gotten away from that. It has not  strengthen the Council  knowing what's going on in different  departments and what the real issues  are. It gives the departments to  talk to us George.  

Don't we receive monthly budget  updates on where we are by the department?  

No.  

We did in Ormond . We always did.  

So we don't know by department  where we are during the year?  

We do. We  have not traditionally sent out  --  

We have a lot more departments  in the city of Ormond Beach . 

We've been talking  about and George alluded to earlier  of the information on how we  want to communicate that. 

Right now it would be difficult. 

It's not like volumes and volumes  of [Indiscernible].  

 I don't know why you need a workshop  budget --  

-- It's an assessment of  each division. We used to do  many budget workshops and  they went away.  

You can take budget out of  it.  

We would go  to a department or division review  just like we did  to evacuate the fire. Corrections  has things we need to be talking  about. We will develop that this is part  of what you said and other things  we see that need to get talked about.  You haven't talked about  [Indiscernible] since -- we need to talk  about --  

-- Priorities. That's another  thing. With having Lois  come in, we had two .district. Talking among  the 10 counties we talked about  project priority list.  We've got our capital project. We need  a priority list. Part of  it was, I want  this and that and add this  and that. Instead what we should have done is rank  the project priorities. We can't  go back. For us we need to rank them.  

We  still have money. We have projects that you will see coming  up. We've got the Boulevard down in Daytona.  

Are we still finding that?  

Yes we are. We don't have a safety net.  

If we have a priority list than  we can say this is rank. These are  the priorities. Get to the bottom of the list unless  we have a failed the bridge.  >> Some of the people are saying that's 
     why people did not vote  for that half cent sales tax. A  lot were saying because it was a shopping  list and not a priority list. We  need to set the wave I doing that.  It may need to come up at the Mayor's  Roundtable. Let's not stop on what  we did. There was a lot of good  work done during that issue. Is this going to come up again?  It probably will. We were having  to work at a  very fast pace to get this done. Now we can start slowing down  and start looking at what is the  most important and will we get money , what can we do. In the future  if it comes back, we are prepared  to say we have what it is and here's where your  money is going. You should never  quit. I any document, things change and if it does you change your  focus on what you want to do. I  believe that's a good thing for  the Mayor's roundtable. The biggest  part is done. Now prioritizing and what do we do  when we get more money.  

Great segue.  The Mayor's  roundtable. I wanted to discuss  that. I would like to see more of  an emphasis on action at  the Mayor's roundtable. Also inclusiveness . Part of --  a number of things we discussed  putting in place is us working with  the cities and working as a region, working as a County  collectively on a number of issues. As an observer of the roundtable, it doesn't appear everyone has a voice.  What I love to see --  

-- They do.  

It doesn't appear that way sometimes. Talked to a number of city  commissioners who don't feel that  way. One thing I would suggest would be if  there's any way to rotate who is in charge of the meetings  --  

-- It's already set.  Done. At the next meeting  we will be discussing the.  

What does that entail?  

It will be another representative from the cities that would be  taking charge as the person in charge  of it or the County. What's been  done for the past few years they've been rotated from the county  to the city so you have one. The  County needs  a strong vote. The County represents  all cities. The County usually  either the chair or vice chair and  someone from the city's chair or  vice chair.  It's been that way for four years.  >> I'm suggesting rotating the cities  through. You have the meetings every  few months --  

-- We have the meeting every  month.  

As you have the meetings my suggestion would be is to  rotate through the cities so the  cities -- 

You have to someone who's organizing  the agendas. If you have a different  person each meeting would be ridiculous.  

Quarterly or every year?  >> [Indiscernible - mic is to far  from speaker].  

This was Volusia. The cities are represented. The Council sometimes -- it's not  always the Mayor's , this is an elective official roundtable.  They don't speak up.  We've had -- they don't speak up. They've  got that opportunity.  

That's what I meant by engaged.  

That's up to them.  It's like you being in a Council meeting and not engage.  

Let's provide them with the opportunity. They didn't say anything  during the roundtable but after  the meeting  they talk.  

We should look at that and ask  why that is.  

Because you have  four new elected people that have  not been involved like most of us since the beginning. The majority  have been involved the for  four years.  >> Sometimes they don't speak. They are not out  there speaking.  

Why is that?  

Here's my opinion. 
     It's because nothing happens. The  are no votes taken. I've said it before. Go back to your  cities and share it would have been  at the elected leaders roundtable . We cannot force anybody to communicate.  There's a venue there. We buy  lunch and pay the parking ticket. We can't force people to come to  the microphone and communicate.  I challenge you. Go to the meeting , I've  asked other individuals about  think something. They said  no one else was talking. Okay. Leadership is leadership  and you can't force someone to be  a leader.  

We can't take a vote on anything --  

I'm not asking for votes.  

This has been a problem . Sometimes they do not take the  information back to their cities.  They keep it to themselves. Whatever comes out needs to be  distributed to the cities. Wind  to send those minutes to the managers  of the city to get it out. Another thing we've done in the  last year is because were so focused  on sales tax, we did not set that  up for this year. 

We are starting that.  

Different people  decide what committee they would  like to be on. That engages them 

For the  first time in the history of this  county all 16 cities came together  and agreed on something. The other  issue is you weren't involved with the beach driving. We've addressed  a lot of issues where we are working  together . You are talking about going to  other counties. Were trying to go  to the cities to work within the  cities to work -- see what's working.  They have the opportunity to do  that. We are engaging with each  other in meaningful conversation  about the comment objectives and  goals. Someone happens not to want  to speak on it but believe me you don't think [ Indiscernible  - name ] didn't speak up? We  have four new mirrors.  >> If  there's a way we can help them to  be engaged. Whether that's follow-up  after the meeting, whatever that  is. 

[Indiscernible - mic is to far  from speaker]  

We've got the vehicle that we can put  together.  We've been able to  have the managers work together.  They realize they've elected the Mayor and others. 

Again let's individually reach  out to them.  >> Again taking those major projects  and having every single councilperson,  elected official up there get on  a committee. Breaking it down to  smaller groups helps them engage them more.  

It's a matter of trust.  They are building trust among themselves.  When you get comfortable you will  speak.  

Leadership is not for everyone.  You have to have  the leaders to get the other people  to come along and be involved. You  can't handout leadership responsibilities  to someone who may have the desire but not the capability or have the desire but wants  to be involved. Be careful about  having committees to have committees. You say someone will be on a committee but these  people are working people and you  only have so much time and already  there are many committees. I see a lot of  value in it. We have the  best relationship with the cities  that I can recall. The main thing  is to keep them involved and make  sure each one  including the ones that don't say  anything still no they have a voice  and still no their cities count.  Let's not reinvent the wheel. 

Isn't that the job of the leader  to empower other leaders?  >> I've been  attending the roundtables and other  things  since 2014. 
     >> You weren't at the roundtable at 2014. 

If you would like to appoint  me, that would be great.  

Let's go to  lunch. That's my idea. 

Anything else?  

Let's go to lunch. 

We will resume at 1:00. 
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A good afternoon it  is 1255 we will call the meeting  to order at 1:00 just give  being -- giving you a  little warning. 

Good afternoon is one a clock  we are going to reconvene the County  Council meeting and call to order  the meeting, we had a invocation  given by Dr.  Morris Sullivan,  and I followed by the pledge of  allegiance I will ask council members  to join me for  the pledge. 

Thank you for having me here  today I invite you to bow your head  is and close  your eyes or otherwise look into  your heart and I offer this invocation  in recognition of the many different  paths walked by the members of our  community. Source of intimate --  infinite light and  light with hearts filled with gratitude  for the many  gifts and blessings we have received  we offer our service here this afternoon.  May our efforts bring light to  our world and community and to our  hearts. And may we be guided by  higher purpose and remember that  we are here to do good. Let us be  ardent in our search for the truth  and alert to the pitfalls of pride  and conceit and aware of the many  gifts offered us by each precious  moment and may we be mindful that  our thoughts may be expressed in  words and are true words that revealed  by our options but there  is no true wisdom without compassion  and no justice without kindness  and thus when  kindness and compassion the foundation  on which we build our relationships  with one another. With our community  and with all of the beings with  whom we share  our lives and my tradition at the  end of prayer is to put our hands  together in front of our hearts  uniting hands in one gesture as  many individuals unite as  one community. And you can join  me with this if you like to think  -- thank you for your  presence amen.  

I Pledge of Allegiance to the  flag of the United States America  and to the republic for which it  stands one nation under God  indivisible with liberty and justice  for all. 

May we have the rollcall  please?  

Yes Billie  Wheeler , Deboah Denys,  Barbara  Girtman,  Ben Johnson  , Dr. Fred Lowry,  Heather  Post,   and Mr. Kelly.  

We go on to item  00 a  

thank  you Mr. chair on this particular  item we need to have a discussion  first on the motion and to reconsider  order  to resend there has been a request  for both I added the motion to resend  for the simple  purpose that for motion to be reconsidered  and has to happen during  the meeting that it occurred in  and that meeting has since been  closed according to rules of order.  So  the motion is to resend not  to reconsider what is what has to  happen in this particular incidents  as a technicality. With that I  move  to resend the  direction given there was no official  motion but the  action taken at the County Council  on the June 4, 2019 meeting on Tiger  Baystate  Forest.  

The motion is made to resend  the action of sending a letter,  is there second?  

Motioned seconded by  Billie Wheeler and motion made by  Deboah Denys, discussion?  Any  discussion Council? All in favor of rescinding  the letter say I.  I.  

Those  opposed likewise. Motion  passes five-to  -- 5-2 motion passed.  

4-3.  

Yes the motion passes 4-3  with Dr. Fred Lowry,  Ben Johnson  and   Kelly dissenting.  Does anyone have any comments on  the  consent agenda? Do you have a motion  to  prove consent .  

Motion to approve the consent  agenda.  

Is there second?  

Any objection to the motion?  Hearing on the motion  passes unanimous and we move now  to item 2  

 Mr. chair that needs to wait until  115 please.  

 Well.  

Yes sir.  

Just a comment sorry Mr. Johnson.  

In reference to rescinding obviously  the letter is going to be rescinded  on a 4-3 but we need to  start looking somewhere if not  there, we need to take and see what  can we find  to you know put  these poor, some  of us have been led before like  I told you earlier we  said today I have been looking for  mine and I cannot find it and do  not have one but I think that we  need to find some kind of property  somewhere that we can do something  with these ATVs. We have a lot of  property in this  county and the original letter failed  for us to send something to the  state but we need to look around  and see what can we do, as  much property is we had in the  County.  

The neighboring this up I have  had a request  from Justina Jones from the initiative  for the Florida Department of agriculture  and commuter services. That I appointed  someone to serve  on the committee for Tiger  Bay and later George, would you  like to serve on that Mr. Johnson?  

I will serve on this.  

You are appointed quarterly and  I think the next meeting will not  be held until  21 August. So I am going  to ask you to serve  on that, we had someone who was  on this but did not attend so I'm  asking you to serve on that. And  then I do not need to have  a motion.  

That is your prerogative as the  chair.  

Okay Mrs. Wheeler  

thank you Mr. chair I would  like to clarify one of the reasons  I was on the boat affirmative  to resend, was the way it  came about. It was  a slip but it was brought up at  the end and I thought we had made  the statement that we would never  bring something up in Council comments  that we  vote on. I think that if we are  to look at this and I agree with  Ben that has got to be someplace  that we can find for them to do  this activity we  are accounting full on tourism and  events and it has got to be a  place but we do not have any conversation  on this for background  or  information. I was one of the ones  that agreed with it but I can tell  you I had been out of  the room when that was brought up  so when I came back and I heard  the final thing I thought I was  just  approving conversation to be brought  up on the next committee meeting  which is the reason for that but  I do thing that we need to find  some  other place, there is a vast amount  of people that would really like  to see this activity  and along with them the has got  to be someplace that we can find  for them.  

Right Mrs. Grossman.  

Yes I agree  with counsel Wheeler and Johnson  that we certainly need  to find another way to get  to yes although it might not be  at this  particular location but  when the vote was taken or since  the has been taken I received a  lot of feedback for  and against but for West Volusia  and for my district specifically  it is certainly far against. At  least those that have reached out  to me and it is one of  those times that I have to go with  my district and I  also responded to each of them to  help us identify will get to  the yes and we can  support it so once we find  the location I don't want people  just coming out against any and  everything because it is  against property you know, I understand  conservation areas what is  working for an area that is a compatible  use for this  activity I think they are paying  citizens as well  so it is important that we identify  resources for them.  Making a.  

Dr. Lowery  

I want to agree with every thing  said we need to find someplace and  we need to not wait 20 years to  do that I would like just to maybe  expect this and find this  particular place where this kind  of writing can go on and certainly  when we were looking at  the letter I am like you Mrs.  Grossman I have probably about half  yes and have no button  we need to look at  this and get something done thank  you.  

Mr. chair I was trying to get  you as you are doing  the appointment for the Tiger Bay  Forest I had reached out to Justina  Jones and left a message but  also Anthony who is the manager  for the forest service district  about this certainly not negating  what you are  doing then. Just know that I would  like to be  actively involved and share any  of that information with you as  well thank you for your service.  

Okay the letter was sent to me  and it's responsibility  I guess I will make that appointment  and I guess anyone can reach out  to anybody. But  thank you. 

Thank you Mr. chair on this note  and this particular truck talking  with other individuals  and elected, this Tiger Bay is funded  with conservation  land dollars so the odds of even  of us sending a letter up there  of it opening up because of the  funding mechanism would be difficult  anyway so, I  agree though we talked about that  during the workshop we talked a  couple hours earlier saying let's  see what we got and where is our  land and we open to all possibilities  and alternatives I think it would  be great thank you.  

We have about two and half minutes  until the  next item .  

Mr. chair  I think you could go ahead and do  four or five or seven, we  still have time.  

Could beget  through four that would be Rick  Carl.  

Yes sir Mr. chair Rick  Carl and Dr. of aviation upon resources  four and five and I will be very  brief. This is with career source,  these are actions required by  state law and federal rule, one  of the things for you  to approve, the first is the approval  of the budget and  the second one is the  board membership.  

Robert King is here if you have  any questions  

does anybody have any questions  on item 4?  Mrs. Wheeler?  

Yes and going through this  I was just curious I see every single  year for revenue there was  something with the H1B grant and  no request for this time is there  a reason and what is that grant?  

It was a  federal grant we participated in  with a three-year life.  

There we go  thank you. 

Motion to  approve.  

That I'll have a motion to approve  the budget for career source over  Volusia.  

Seconded  

motion made by Wheeler seconded  by Heather Post any discussion or  objection to the  motion ? Hearing on the motion passes  unanimous we will move to item number  five. Board membership for  career source. 
     Pardon? Rick.  

I consider both of these together  this is the board required by  statute to be approved by you. A  motion to approve.  

We have a motion to  approve as seconded.  

Motion made and seconded  by post and Groopman thought it  was Gartman. And  motion made and seconded by  Derman any  discussion?  

Yes  

 only discussion is I am really  pleased to be representing career  source for the County  and the great work is being done  and I think a greater collaboration  is in  the future so I'm looking forward  to doing some pull through and making  a difference in our community and  I thank you for all you are  doing.  

Great, any objection to the motion?  Hearing them --  none the national poses unanimous  Rick we will now move since it is  115 onto item  number two and this  will be done I guess.  

Yes it will be me.  

I looked over there you were  not there.  

I know I came in front of  you today. I am a Donna and  Deputy County manager CFO and this  first item is for one of two steps  we are going to take today to finance  repair and renovation  and update to the Daytona Beach  international Airport with the terminal  building and this first of item  today is asking you to find a  public purpose for us to issue revenue  note be the next item coming up  after this to finance  those improvements and is a requirement  because of the activity that goes  on at the airport which is a enterprisewide  activity and we need to determine  the purpose of the will be without  doubt and tax-free to  those individuals and to the bank  and to those who hold  the notes this is in compliance  to the IRS regulation 147 F and  we ask that you approve these are  for  public purpose.  

I think it'll comment Dan prior  to  this.  

Before you take the motion if  I could ask you open the public  hearing and determine if there's  any persons who would wish to  address this.  

The public hearing is open I  have no one wishing to speak to  the issue or close the  public hearing? Is there a card  filled out I have nothing filled  out. Of anyone wishing  to speak .  

I don't have it you have a card?  

 Yes or. --  Sir.  

I did not have this.  

Wow. 
     You for that to speak on  another issue, you realize this  is the issue on finding public  purpose for the airport renovation.  

That is correct.  

You wish to speak that issue.  

Yes  

 okay.  

I can before you guys a few months  ago when her asking for $700,000  for the airport and  I said please give them everything  they ask for and more because they  are  the spark plug of the  entire County and I have read recently  in the paper and the news Journal  that they were requesting a $12  million loan and looking to  upgrade the terminal out there and  modernize it and we certainly need  that so please do not hesitate to  give them the money.  

Thank you for your comments.  

Any other public participation?  Sorry about the mixup  on this. Hearing no other requests  we will close the public hearing  and now move  to counsel. Is there a motion for resolution  finding public purpose for revenue  of the certain  at  the airport.  

Motion moved by Groopman and  seconded by Wheeler any additional  discussion? Or objection to the  motion? Hearing on the motion  passes unanimous deduction none  the motion passaging and this will  move onto item 3 which is the other  part  of this.  

This item asked me to approve  the contract with Central State  Bank to approve $12  million loan on behalf of the renovations  and improvements to Daytona beast  international Airport and as background  to this we went out with a request  for proposal for a loan at received  12 respondents and  is interstate was awarded the  contract because they gave us a  guaranteed interest rate for 15  years for 2.65 percent and the  ability to early redeem that early  if we need to and throughout that  they gave us the  greatest possibility -- of  visibility in able to borrow and  repay NJ Glover is here who is our  financial advisor who is here if  you have any specific questions  relating to this data, what is important  is that this  is a bank here in the county and  we had 12 respondents from the big  national banks and two small local  banks so we felt we had a really  good group of  people to bid on this particular  note and also this  will be just about finished paying  off the  original that on the airport itself  they should be finished with the  original that on the  original terminal on October 1,  2000 once we are almost ready to  burn that mortgage and this is just  a small little addition to allow  them to do renovation and that project  so  with that it is all  had if you have any questions I  have got the county director here  who did a lot of the heavy lifting  on this and are counsel.  

You me to take her  name off, okay Mrs. Gartman you  are still up.  

Yes  

 Mrs. Wheeler. 

Mr. chair I would  move approval of the resolution  am I on the right  one yes. Authorizing loan agreement  for 12 million for financing certain  and burns the  dash importance  --'s  urgent -- certain  importance at the airport.  

This is not a public hearing  but have John with -- Nicholson  who wishes to  speak.  

John  Nicholson 413 grand Beach Avenue  I did not oppose the $12 million  and you do not oppose renovation  and 12 million is not minor to me  nor small it is big I'm  just asking I saw what they wanted  to do I'm asking if everything is  needed we're talking money and roads  and water products and if this is  one or two or three or $4 million  you do not need I  ask you to look at this very carefully  I had an aunt every five  years she would take her living  room and toss and put a new one  and because she felt that is what  was needed just because this is  old and I do not consider this old  I am much older than us and some  of you are older as well but it  is were all does not  meet -- mean you have to change  a  lot technology -- a lot of technology has to be  upgraded but some things are not  absolutely needed and if they are  not absolutely needed do not change  it just to change it thank you.  

My answer was if we did not need  it we would not have it and we do  need it, Heather Post.  

Rick if you could come up for  a second  I wanted to point out this is $12  million but it is a loan specifically  within your Daytona Beach international  Airport a budget and you are  solely responsible  

thank you for that it would  like to  

if you like to explain.  

It is good that we have him on  hook.  

It is a enterprise fund.  

Just for the taxpayers at home  I appreciate the question very much  we were talking earlier at the workshop  about messaging and  every opportunity we share the message  that the airport although it is  a county owned facility and I am  a county employee the funds used  to operate  the airport do not come from abnormal  taxes but from the revenues generated  at the airport as a  standalone business and that is  where these funds will be paid from  the airport funds not the  general funds.  

This is money made by the airport  rolled back into renovating the  airport and being paid back  through.  

Yes we are  required by the FAA grant insurance  to operate the airport and self-sustaining  financial independent ways so this  is consistent with that and  these improvements are  badly needed and it is not old,  I am old I learned to fly there  in 1972 when I  was working and that is all before  it was built but is the original  carpet in 1992 so it is time to  do a little bit of an upgrade.  

In order to do a lot of the electronic  upgrades you're going to mess this  place up.  

Yes  

so is the right time to do some  of the other walls and carpet  and everything. It is going to get  destroyed in  the final before the work gets done  in all of the electronic upgrades  and everything that we have to do.  

Some of  these things  that we are replacing, the escalators  for example those are mission-critical  and being replaced and it is time  for them to be replaced and the  need to be replaced. These are all  needed and will help support new  air services.  

We have to stay competitive as  our airport size it is important  that we offer all the latest and  greatest for  our people there and any others  we wish to attract.'s to  the traveling  public.  

Rick my daughter is now a young  businesswoman and comes in and out  of Daytona Beach airport regularly  and I can tell you that she has  made mention of our airport in comparison  to others in the service is fantastic  but am really looking forward to  the renovations because we want  people like my daughter and other  young business people to feel welcome  and to come into  the area and it feel as if they  are coming into the 20th century.  

Thank  you  

just a exclamation point for  the  speaker John, Lisa  funds cannot be transferred and  use of for water or roads just to  take that out of the equation. They  are to be used for the airport and  airport  projects only 

I wanted to ask Carl one question  since it is a enterprise fund paid  for by the airport  and revenue what is the economic  impact on our community? On Volusia  for having this  service.  

The Florida Department of  transportation, thank you for the  question that permanent trepidation  does economic impact analysis of  the aviation industry in Florida  and every individual airport  and we just got those  resorts -- results so the impact  of the international Airport is  2.1 billion with a B and $2.1 billion  in our little airport and to put  1 billion in the overall economic  impact  

annually.  

To the community yes.  

Thank.  

Johnson.  

12 min dollars is a lot  of money but the first impact into  Daytona Beach is important especially  if it is business people out there  coming in, what  they see might make a difference  whether not what they think about  area is so important as we are trying  to court more and more industry  and more and more business and we  have to think ahead in  that manner.  

Any other comments? Or questions.  And any objection to the motion?  Hearing none the motion passes  unanimously and we  will take a 10 and 15  minute recess is every thing ready  George? We have to sign  documents to get the wheels turning  so will be  in recess  

for about 10 minutes.  

Yes and we are going to need  everybody to sign at least  one thing.  

We will go back into the little  room back here.  

And one has to  sign.  

 I can. I  will wait. 

[  Silence ]. 

For your patience we will go  ahead and reconvene the County Council  meeting of June 18.  At 139 and  we will go to  item  seven, Corey. He  is not here?  

He is out today all we need on  this item here is the  staff working with the applicant  we just ask for a motion of continuance.  

Okay.  

I moved to continue.  

I second.  

Motion made to continue item  7 by  Heather Post and submitted  by  Dr. Fred Lowry, any objection  to the motion. Hearing none  the  motion passes unanimous and it will  be  continued.  

Continued to a meeting in the  future giving  us time  

I don't want to do a time certain  until we have a time to talk to  the school.  

I have been asked to move to  item number eight  a Council and this is  Dan.  

We have a request by the housing  financial authority for the next  few resolutions moving forward is  Scott the developer and I've had  the pleasure of  meeting  him. And  Sarah is replacing and who served  for years at the housing financial  authority attorney and I want to  make the correction from the agenda  item that the statute I cited would  not furnish  the basis and as for property  tax exemption at least in the near  term there is another statute of  the property my qualify for property  tax exemption  and the statue I cited there is  a for  profit interest preventing the use  of that and under the other statute  there could be a for-profit owner  but they point is in the long run  that I am not recommending to you  and I think the manager concurs  that in this case we you seek payment  of tax  agreement so, this is unusual in  that respect that  you are asked to adopt  three resolutions  for Volusia and  Sumter County flagging a public  purpose because the housing financial  authority is executed an area of  opportunity agreement and you are  the  host County. I'm  sure that would be pleased to answer  any questions but the recommendation  to you is for approval.  

Mrs. -- Barbara  Girtman   

I am sorry I left this on it  was not actually related to that.  

Okay.  

Do you want to make a motion?  

I will.  

Dr. Fred Lowry   

iMovie adopt the resolution on  item 8 a  

the pending of public  Pers and financial authority a financial  authority has been given a motion  to move and it is  seconded by Billie Wheeler, any  discussion?  Pardon.  

It  is okay.  

You got it, any objection to  the motion, hearing none  it passes unanimous.  

A equivocation do we need three  separate  motion -- clarification do we need  three separate motions?  

We have one for all three that  is what how I heard the  motion. -- That is how  I heard the motion.  

Mr. chair I have a question,  it is not recommended seeking an  agreement that here provides payments  in lieu of taxes.  

Correct this is English  will -- is distinguishable from  this and there was an improper statutory  reference but I think the principle  applies even if the property is  exempt or partially from tech  section -- taxation this is from  the prior case.  

Motion made and seconded and  passed with no  objections right?  

Mr. Nicholson you are late I  will go back to item eight which  is the one we have been waiting  for most of  the day.  

Okay  

you wanted to do this?  

Okay.  

Thank you Mr. chair and County  Counsel. Thank you for the opportunity  to go over this  important forecast in order to  make it the best  forecast  available we do this forecasting  after  the supplemental of all of your  operating departments and  their budget that is now in and  we have gone over those budgets  there is still time to  make changes which is another reason  we want to do it now. And I  will tell you that I am happy to  report that we are able  to meet most of our goals we  would like to do and  use the  current knowledge rate we have today  but we do need to take advantage  of some of the growth that has  occurred because we choose to  do that you will see there is  a list of projects in each of the  areas especially to a lot  of public safety products that are  here and badly needed and none  of them are  fluffy projects, these are all  the operating systems on the  CAD systems that dispatch uses and  got fire alarm systems which are  very important and you also have  the  final payments going into the soon  to be on the street 300 megahertz  which is a lifeline to so many  other safety  employees -- public safety employees  also including the medical examiner  building that we have been working  on all  along so these are all real  needed projects that are part of  upgrading and maintaining the stuff  that we have. There are other  projects throughout in other operating  areas that these are the  main projects we are focusing on  here today. There are  other additions and some  strategic people that have been  added  back, remember we were down many  positions years ago. As demand has  risen and we have been very very  careful about adding people and  there are a few people again  in I.T. and veteran services  in some  areas that I thought it was necessary  to add the surefooted asked  for 17 working  with me to prioritize his positions  so that they are not added and the  money is not counted right in the  beginning and start off with some  position right away. And me are  facing them in around  April 1. He has worked well  with that. The other things we have  taken into account in  this budget and again this is our  proposed budget we are going to  use for the forecast we took into  consideration that we can have coming  up here on the  major election a increase in this  area and you have got  increase -- upgrades to  our clinics. We also have a  election ballot which is needed  and we have money for the Census  weasel we talked about which is  very important which includes money  for this and we also have  the court administration was and  asked her a programmer  in the state attorney needs some  server replacements and we also  have had facility  maintenance projects and  these are repairs to existing  facilities again these  are roofs and plumbing and air-conditioning  types of projects.  And there is also in the  five-year forecast are spreading  out work in the corrections infrastructure.  I would also like to note things  like retirement was increased  $1.5  million and from safety employees  you also talked about this  in the morning and the  good news at this point is the insurance  fund is healthy and where it would  take money out of  this fund and put it back into the  general fund and also reduce will  be put in going forward so  this fund is being managed very  well with is helping us out  and also does include salaries and  benefits the general  fund and we can look to about doing  $5 million. And  3% which is in the evening contracts  along with  1% compression. These are just some  highlights I'm going to have Tammy  go through actual forecast and  what we have done and each of the  areas and were not going to touch  on all of the  budgets today in the  five-year forecast,  the funds , and six of those with the  biggest changes that we can  go over and are prepared and have  the permit heads here ahead of any  of the other ones as well. I think  it is very important as we go forward  to understand we have some big unknowns  out there and again we talked a  little bit about this in the  morning. And I think it is important  to realize that  with  the transition and we do  not know all of the costs although  we are feverishly working on this.  The direction and having a  10%  reserve and a  little light  and look what happened to our neighbors  in the Panhandle I think they're  looking here at over  hundred and $50 million which is  something that you  can look at, we did borrow some  money today for the enterprise fund  but for an organizational size would  not have  much that and we are in good shape  we've been doing this a page ago.  Will continue and what is not in  here though is that we  talked again a little bit  we have to decide down the road  about justice centers and what we  are going to be doing on that and  we have money in our op rating that  we are moving forward with some  of the preliminary work in engineering  and talking with the  city's and it is a product not shown  in here yet because no decision  has been made and there are  other projects will probably  bring up in the rising year to  talk about in future years and I  will say you have got to remember  we are an organization that went  through quite a bit of expansion  35  years ago and is facilities  are all aging is not to be uncommon  for us to come back and look at  rehabilitation and putting money  back into the system that we have  so it is not about any big expansion  but it  is about taking things that are  obsolete and modernizing which will  be something ongoing over the next  few years so then I caution anyone  who thinks this is a good  solid approach with some unknowns  in all of this I think it is the  right approach to keep we have for  growth and try to be conservative  and have a couple of different scenarios  want to look at  them with -- if you want to look  at them with growth going forward.  I hope you do not take most of the  show Tammy to know, a good  summary.  

I am the Tammy be administered  budget service director and I want  to go over the layout of the documents  that you may have in front. Each  one we start off with the  word documents which list out all  of the assumptions used  today's discussion starting with a narrative about  the fund itself because we are doing  forecasts on specific funds and  then it goes and talks about the  revenue  and expenditures and we also have  a chart and every single one of  the funds listing out your capital  outlay and your capital improvement  in both of those are five years  worth of capital estimated by your  department  divisions themselves and we also talk about interfund  transfers and what those transfers  are for and where they are going.  And last, a summary of the  reserves and the fund itself and  a brief description on what that  is for. So once you get through  the first heart of this you go to  the actual Excel worksheet which  is more of  a chart looking document which is  where we are going to start today.  We're going to start on the missile  service fund and  it is page 32 for those listening  in the audience today. And everything  to one of the four had the  same to trope -- to hopefully make  it  easier to read starting with the  revenue at top and starting with  expenditures at the bottom and then  it gives you your variance revenues  and less miniatures and some of  the funds will have a variance we  would like to discuss and followed  by the  next  page.  

I don't know if I'm the only  one who does not have that on their  desk.  

Is not coming up.  

None of  us do. 

My eyes are kind of good but  I cannot read the screen.  

I cannot either that  far away. And there are a lot of  numbers to read as well.  

Yes. 

Jeff will come save the day.  

What is  she doing. 

If  the overhead works we can display  papers  up there. 

Your book  I  guess.  

Jeff is your book working can  you use that and come up there for  the documents.  

They are still going to see  it appear. 
     --  Up here.  

I have it here  

 counselor are you okay using your  books for these are you want  to wait.  

 Page 32. 

It is had 120 MSD  -- tab  120 MSD.  

It sounds like this is not the  first time we have had this happen  so George so they want  to posit with  the -- with  the Russians.  

Okay  

okay go ahead.  

All  right  

the chart before you, every single  one is similar in nature. Have the  top and expenditures at the bottom  and a gray bar at the bottom  for the revenues unless expenditures  also it has  adopted 2019 budget  which you originally approved and  the column estimated which is the  amount  the department deals we will spend  by the end of this school year.  And the box area is the budget Seminoles  we submitted for the FY  20 budget. From there we take  the information and all of the assumptions  we have in network file we applied  those projected forecast  years outward. So to  continue on I would focus primarily  on the boxed  blue area  unless there is something material  in some of the other columns I will  bring these to your attention as  well. So your taxes for this are  about 29% of your total revenue  at a flat rate throughout the entire  forecast and it has been here since  2014. The next area was your  city contract with the city contracts  as per the Sheriff office for  patrol services and at 16 1/2  million dollars. The  other two revenue sources  are sources that come from the state  down to us and they have a lot of  legislative discussion throughout  the year so they  are sources that we have projected  in a very conservative manner and  utility taxes at 15% and communication  taxes at 29%  of the total revenues for this fund.  And this has  a various revenue source outside  of just property taxes used to support  the operation. The other  large governor -- revenue is the  sales tax to hear and 8.2 million.  The green bar demonstrates  you have $.3  million of  ongoing -- $66.3 million  for ongoing fund and  the office of the chef has two lines  the first is the normal day to day  operations as it pertains to your  NST area followed by the direct  contract cost associated with the  contracts with the corresponding  revenue at the top about. Followed  by that you have a  service payment which is toward  the  evidence facility and the growth  management about 14% of the  operation followed by a small portion  for animal control anger animal  control in 21, it is for  the replacement of  a cruiser.  And then we have construction engineering  and mosquito control which is the  control contribute in two just the  NST so with  the district.  

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Is your largest expenditure within  the funds. Sorry I keep seeing things going back and forth. Followed by your capital, your  capital improvements for the most  part about $3.4 million if a replacement of the Sheriff's  deputies look for the first  line is money accumulated from fund balance.  Money left over from previous years. We have in reserve for a one-time  purpose, the purpose we have allocated is your transition. The transition for  amendment 10 or other transitional  things as the economy changes you  have money set aside. You also have  a reserve for debt service, as you recall we have the Sheriff's  facility, we have money set aside  from previous years. To take that over a three-year period if revenues shift in any manner. He reserve  for revenue stabilization, I mentioned  those two are volatile, we have  funding set aside to offset if that  happened to occur in a legislative  here. And then reserved  for fuel,  for petrol and so forth and emergency  reserves. Those are funded at 10%. With that I would like to continue  unless you have questions.  

Thank you. I'm in the middle of this. I should've  asked before you started.  Staff and I took a look at this  last week, and the five-year forecast, I  had asked to includes the look back  option of 2016, 17 and 17/18. 

I emailed it to you on Sunday  we did that from the general fund.  Trip I have a copy. Took it is  included in the general fund?  

Yes ma'am. Joke I did not see  it, not that I did not get it. Chuck I will have staff make another  copy so you have it for your file. We will make another  copy quick.  

thank you.   

No problem. 

I will continue on with the next  one. The next we are going to  talk about is the fire  district fund. That is on  page 38. The next tab over. This is a little different, it's for unincorporated areas of  the county. It has one main  revenue source.  Taxes 96% of the revenue,  it is a flat millage rate of four  point 0815 since 2016  and we did our service level change. The taxes generated, around 30 $1.4 million for the sun. A few revenue sources as well.  Bringing the total up to 31.7 ongoing. That greenline  is your ongoing revenue coming in  for the fund. I'm going to come back to the highlighted  number and the blue line in a moment  and tell you what that is about. 
     From that you have about 58% of  this operation is personal services.  Ongoing operating cost of 29.8, or 94% of the  total revenue ringing and, goes  for just those efforts. Included  in this is the request that they presented  to you a few months back, for the  additional of nine firefighters,  service level change. It is demonstrated funded from  ongoing revenue sources. The next  part of it is your capital. The  capital is $3.7 million. Included in that is a one-time purchase replacement of the equipment. That is something that is in  a replacement plan, sitting in reserves,  until the year it comes out for  replacement. That line in the blue  at the top is utilizing one-time  revenue source fund balance or reserves  for that purchase. This fund has a total reserves  of $10.4 million at the end of fiscal  year 20. And we continue to have a 10% emergency  use reserves throughout the entire  work asked. A couple of  other things, your capital outlay  in FY 20 includes money for the SEB a replacements and you will see another  little pup, going back up, 145,000  for the replacement of cardiac monitors.  And an ambulance in FY 23. That  is a reason that goes up. And in  FY 20, we  haven't capital improvements, a  carry forward funding from this  fiscal year into next year. $3.4  million for station 22 and land purchases for  station 18. With that I will continue on. 

One point. In  reference to what Miss Denny has  mentioned, an interesting point  I found 2016  to 2017, to  the forecast, there's been an initial $12 million  added to the office of the sheriff. A lot of that was salaries and  so forth. Truck that would be the  general fund. We will get to that  at the end. I'm happy to discuss  that.  

Sorry about that. I thought it  was part of personnel. Sorry. 

Good afternoon, I'm going to  give Tammy a break. The next fund  we are going to discuss 
     I may have done this wrong. Hang  on a second. 

There you go.  

thank you. The next fund  is  the echo fund. We talked about that  this morning. You get to see the  numbers we were discussing  at the meeting this morning. As  you know echo was voted in  in 2000. And it, Trump what page are you on?  

Page 42 please.  Are you able to see yet?  

Yes.  

Thank you. Okay.  This was voted in 2000 by the citizens , who levied attacks to  provide funding for environmental,  cultural historical and outdoor  capital projects. If you will notice in 1920 the  forecast is showing Evan million  45,000 dollars, in revenues. That's equal to about  eight have percent increase 
     from last year, that was based on  the information we received from  the property appraiser's office.  2021 is your last year, we projected a 5% increase for  that year as we have in other  taxing funds. For conservative purposes. It also shows on the expenditure  side, for fiscal year 1920, we are also seeing the million dollars we had set  aside for trails, part of that money, all the sons  go into the capital project however  we have some debt services associated  with that. As well, it does conclude  in 2021. The million dollar  funds for the trail project as shown, we are also showing transfer to  capital projects fund, this is the  last piece , you'd approved $400,000, that  will roll over into 1920 because  that project will not start until  1920. We also show, it leads available to you for grant funding's of approximately  6.2 million. 
     If you go to the bottom you will  see that we have reserved for future  projects, that's what we have come  accumulated for fiscal year 2019/20. I the time we and 2021 which is  the last year the levy is a in effect, I will say, out  of figures may have delinquent taxes  we will be collecting. We are projecting  about  $12.8 million available, there still  that hundred $50,000 contingency  which will be available also. That  would leave you, almost $13 million  available in the outer years  potentially for the  last remaining amounts. 

Thank you. Looking at this fund, we are showing for 19/20, available for grant funding. Truck you may or may not spend  all of that. The truck that is assuming  that everything is spent. You could  actually be, at the minimum, at  $13 million, you could be greater  if you don't actually ...  

Of you could let me finish the  question that would be good. We  have almost 6.1, almost  6.2 available for funding. What  did we fund this year?  

This year we funded approximately 2.8  ...  

Under 3.  

Under 3. That  3 million, should have  rolled over so  my question is why these reserves  are going up more because there's  no way we are writing grants for 6 million every year. I think  it the most we've been over 4,000,001  year, when you're we were stagnant,  we did no funding because council  wanted better grant applications. My question is, if we are funding  less than  3, we are bringing in over 6, how  come the reserve is not welding  more quickly? Because everything, those are already counted for.  Truck what we have done, the amount is showing in the 18/19  year is including Kerry 4+1819  let me see if I can ... if you  will notice 
     in the 18/19 year we have estimated  6.9 million, that includes 18/19  award as well as any previous awards. That leaves us with 12.9 million.  What we have assumed, we have just  assumed that you could spend 6.2  million in the 19/20 year, that's what  you have available to spend. You  can do that.  

we have never done that before.  

we have a comp  we are having  a's conservative approach. We do  want to mislead anybody to think that you could do something less  than 6.2 million. You would have  that available in fiscal year 19/20  to spend. 

I'm going to ask for a five-year  look back on this grant. There  might be other funds to it. A look back on the grant. And the  dollars. Because our reserves ... 

If you don't mind, I'm going  to ask also ... to go back and we will look at it  more going forward. Get more of  a ballistic 3 million  and see what that does. 

The forecast, I understand being  conservative, but I need realistic.  This is not realistic.  

this one is a little off because  of that.  Yep.  

We will go back and work on that. 

I'd rather do it this way and  come back and we can say there is  more. Into her point,  we can look at some opportunities.  And what to do with it.  

We know exactly what the balance  is so we can make some serious  decisions. Okay. 

When I had my meeting we had  talked about the increase estimated at 5% per year. I think  I would like to see more stable growth which is typically  at 3%. I know you felt like  5's conservative. I think the trends  are that we were making up, 
     so there is been more growth over  the last five years, but going forward,  to anticipate 5% for five years, might be a  bit generous. And I think if we show different  models, we make sure more exposure. 

We can do that as well. We  can do another version of this if  you want us to do 3%.  

I would like to see it.  

we have done a 4 . We have done  a 4. 

For the general fund we did.  Just not this one. If you would  like we can do that as well.  

I was thinking across the board.  It appears that the 5%  was used  across the board. 

It is based on, looking back  10 years, looking back seven years.  We averaged 7, 10, came up  with 5%. I understand that but we  are in recovery mode. To anticipate  recovery, the next five years, I  think is generous. Just from real estate, I'm thinking. Stable market is 3%.  

all right. Took my guests  next  year it will be 5%. Just saying. Based upon a part of it is the appraisal. 

Once the template is set up like  we have it, it's not that hard for  them to go ahead now and plug-in,  here is what this looks at,  now, I say that, they are wincing  because there are more 52  more funds. We are trying to do  it on all the big ones.  

We will certainly do it on the  taxing funds. That's what we should  do.  

We will get to those revised  as well. 

any other questions?   

you've given us a good starting  point.  For following up on  our discussion.  

Perfect. 

Okay Tammy. Hang on. The next fund we want to  go over with you is the parking  garage fund. It's an enterprise  fund. Generates about $2.4 million mainly from the daily and event  parking receipts. Parking fees have not been increased  since 2010.  We have just shown a very minimal  increase in revenues over the forecasted.  Because of that. Operating expenditures hover around  $2.2 million, and we  are also showing some capital improvements. We have them somewhere  ongoing currently, we have some  deck and drainage rehab that needs  to occur. We also have some lighting,  L.E.D. projects. We have some painting and ceiling,  restriping that needs to be done  as well. Something to keep in mind,  the parking garage, when we  use that, it's a bit of a misnomer.  It is parking that includes the land that it is cut it's a  parking system. All of those revenues  go into this fund. There is maintenance that  needs to be done on those lost themselves  and the lighting also. 1920 here  we can get through, 19/20, what we need to think about is  the fact that I don't have a revenue  stabilization and cannot maintain  a reserve for revenue stabilization  at this point.  Which would probably be prudent  in case we have  added downturn and we lose some  revenues on the parking site. Also  it's concerning, the  20/21 year we are in a negative. We can't meet our expenses. We are going to  have to do some work associated  with either pushing out some of  the capital projects, we did look  at that. A problem is, for instance, to paint the garage as an  example is difficult. Getting scaffolding up and spreading  out over time, cannot move some  of those things around. We may want  to look at this, there  is still debt associated with the  garage. It runs around,  $900,000 per year. That will  be paid off until the 24 year. We still have a  few years out before that debt falls  off. We really do need  to make sure we have funds available  to maintain the garage, it is time.  We may bring back to you at some  point, if counsel wishes it, some  tweaks we can do to those parking  fees.  

going forward, this is a discussion  I had  over a year ago  and you got me the answer, of  how much we are generating in positive  cash flow which is not even a return  on the debt that we have. So our  return is minimal. I think  at the minimum we should look at  increasing or being competitive  on our parking rates. And look to  see if we can include part of this  as we evaluate, we were going to try to look and  discuss the redevelopment of the  area around the ocean center. If  this could be something. You  take the numbers out where we are, we are looking at a deficit and probably that outlying 21/22 that's  overly optimistic. On that when  I am,  -57 to 160 but that's partly because  of the capital outlay. Of  the 200,000. If you look at the total investment,  this is not generating any kind  of return of money. 

Right. The fees have not been increased  since 2010. Our event fees are like five dollars  per day. It's very low. It is time  to probably bring them in line at  least with the people around us.  

I would love to pay five dollars  at Disney.   

We are definitely on the low  end when it comes to these rates. Maybe  with some tweaking and some adjustments  that would hurt, we are trying to avoid employees  who work in the area and have to  use the garage. But we can tweak  some of the other items, we  can bring some suggestions back  to you. To show you how  much additional revenues would be  generated.  

I think that would be an idea  to look at that and tweak it.  

What kind of a break, do the  employees get a break in that area? 

They do. It depends. Some of  them, the employers pay for it.  Others, the employees pay it's like  three dollars per day. Is what we  charge. You can get a pass for $50  list like, they're probably being  paid minimum wage in the to have  to come up with ...  

Either the employer does that  and sometimes they don't. We have  a mixed bag. Half we will  the employer half the employees  pay.  

Wow.  

Can you tell me, I  know with the bus service, is not typically profitable  coming in and son rail is not profitable  coming in. But parking garages,  are they typically profitable?  

Typically, they  pay for themselves. Yes.  

And we have not been paid for  ourselves?  

we have been.  There's not been  any infusion. Probably 15 years ago there might've  been when we first took it over. There was some development tax  the way the bonds were written.  A very long time ago. Since that  point, at one time  we have never had to put any other  funds in here at the four the revenues  they generate. 

Now we are talking about raising  the fees?  

The cost associated with it are  growing, and we have not kept up  with the growth in costs to run and maintain the  facility. It's getting to the point, and what to  say was completed in 2000, it's  coming on, it is aged, it's getting onto 20+  years old. It needs some work. We are not generating enough to  keep the capital improvements, mainly.  The operating is fine, it is the  capital of that that is of concern.  Capital maintenance. Took it  is Howell? 

I think it came online in 219  98, 1999.   

400 feet from the ocean. A lot of the problems,  expansion joints, which are steel. And they are corroding.  You also have  the issues, with the elevators. Those of the two things. Because  of the size.  When it comes time to fix those  things they are expensive. 

I would like to keep in mind,  as we talk about other parking garages  being built in the future, on beachside  then, if we are going to get to  a point ... instead of taking care of themselves. 

The other thing is, we've always  been generous with the employers and some of  the businesses who in the beginning, with the ocean law, we validated for the movie theater and other  things there.  Again, we  have run it to break even and try to get stuff fixed, partly to help  the other people in the area. We  could easily go from five to $10  on the event. The other stuff we  could increase. But Don is being  careful I saying tweaking ... a  lot of people smack there will  be people  who will be sensitive to that.  

Okay. Thank you.  >> The parking garage down by the  Russian project, is that theirs?  They put that in? And they are charging  $10?  

I believe so. 

the sign was out there the other  day. $10.  Parking is an issue in  Daytona. And we need it. Desperately. We need more. There is no doubt  about it.  Somehow or another we are going  to have to move forward to try to  make this, we are maintaining now.  But that is it.  

That is correct.  

We  don't want to make a huge profit  but we have to be sustainable. I  think we are going to have to talk  about that increase unfortunately. Thank you. 

We will work on that as well. That is something the folks have  been tasked to do. We can bring  that back to you and give you a  report on what we think might be  some options for you. And gives  you an update on the garage itself.  

We will move on to the next fund. We are  going to go on to, but you get to  the page for you. We  are going to do emergency medical  services, or eMac as it is known. That is all found on  page 11. 
     We projected for the 19/20 year  and overall operating revenue of $25.7 million and it equates to a little over  51,000 transports they are estimating  for the year. The ambulance fees generate about 61% of  the revenue for that fund  an operation. 33% comes  from the general fund. About 8.3  million we are projecting 419/20 and includes changes will  talk about in a minute. On the expenditure  side, out of the councils discussions if you minutes ago. To  the 8.3 million equates to about  .2361 millions of  tax money to be able to  generate that. We are looking at,  as we project that going forward,  we are looking at increases based  upon two things,  the revenues, the revenues  per unit so to speak, probably will not go  up significantly but there is tweaking  going on, we expect some moderate  increase. We've also included minimal  increase in transports  as well, the general fund contribution  will actually increase somewhat through those projected years out  to 22/23. You get to 223 you're looking at  $11.5 million subsidy from the general  fund. Which goes along with some  of the changes that were projected based on  counsel's direction for  the 19/20 year we have included an ambulance supply tech, that is one full-time equivalent  employees. We also included to EMT and two paramedics for  station 14. In addition to that we've incorporated eight nurse triage workers throughout the forecast, we have identified them as special  workers. Until we work through the  mechanics of bringing them on as  employees. The operating expenses, around  $6 billion, capital outlay amounts  we are looking at for fiscal year  20 is around 636,000, those to include  power loaders or structures they  need to upgrade, we've also forecast 
     fiscal year 20 an ambulance for  station 14 which goes along  with the to EMT, two paramedics  we are adding to the station in  North Penn as we go out to the outer  years, we are looking at adding  to him EMT in two paramedics and  fiscal year 23, for station 36.  We also included approximately $1.9 million to cardiac monitors going out into  fiscal year 22, and finally ambulance  for station 23, as well. You can see  in the orange colored boxes, those  are where the changes that we had  discussed with counsel previously  and push those through not only in the upcoming year but  in the forecasted years. As we get  to the end you will notice that,  as we maintain a revenue stabilization reserve  of $200,000, in each of the forecasted years,  it's important to keep that. I never  know for certain what Medicare is  going to do nor Medicaid. We have  to make sure we have some flexibility  in any changes that may occur there. We also have reserved for future  capital, those are being built up  to buy those power loaders and structures,  any of those cardiac monitors and  the other devices that they need in the outer years based upon the  forecasted information we received  from EMS. As we get to  the outer years, you will see that  we have added, those one-time equipment  costs related to those changes,  we continue to show  the facility transfer model, which has ongoing costs  going forward, and the other changes  that you had requested. Or had directed  us to do. 

With that we are going to turn  it back over to  Tammy for the general fund highlights.  

I have a question on the emergency  medical services. How do we stand percentagewise  with collections?  

We are on par with those. If  you look at national averages, we  are 60%. From net  revenues we collect 60 to 61%, about  47% of rose collections and the distinctive difference  between gross and net revenue is  this. You have to subtract out  what Medicare and Medicaid and now  the VA will pay you. You have no  choice and that. Well we may think our ambulances,  Medicare may only pay you $300.  We compare ourselves on both fronts. That's how we want to monitor their activity. Typically, industrywide, it assesses itself,  cash in the door against net revenue  which in our case is around 61%  which is about the national average.  Especially compared to, almost 60% 
     Medicare Medicaid BA, we don't have  a lot of private insurance at this  point in time. And we have private  payers as well.  

Anyone else? Next category. 
     Took a change in voice.  

The stunt guy is in.  

We will turn it over to Ms. Tammy  to talk about the general fund. 

The general fund is the fund  that accounts for countywide governmental  services. Again the revenues are at the top  with expenditures to follow. Your  largest revenue source of this fund  is going to be your tax. This is that 76%  of all revenues within this fund  comes from your tax. We have been  at this 5.694 Mills,  throughout the forecast, 
     other operating revenue sources  include charges for services, which is about 7%, and charges  for services range everything from  fees and fines to judicial system, to the  park entrance fees, to park fees,  motor vehicle fees, and your beach  access fee.  The other revenue source is sales  tax, there is sales tax coming in  from the state of Florida, and that's about 10% of the fund  being right at 25.6, the sales tax  gets situated between this fund  and the fund we just talked about  a few moments ago. Some other revenue  sources, one of you ASCAP what is miscellaneous?  The largest part of it is going  to be interest income  for the most part. You also has  some small things, contributions,  surplus, and minor things throughout  their.  Intergovernmental revenue, primary  revenue source for that is your  contract with your school board. And  that I want to highlight on the  transfers, from other funds,  we just talked about  the loan we have, for Volusia forever,   when we purchased deep Creek property. And they can annual debt service  payments to pay back the general  fund of about $1.7 million annually.  That would be concluded in FY 21 and that is a reason that number  will go down. Also in the fund is money for 911 dispatch. 
     The call taker costs associated  with the call itself is reimbursed because individuals reside in the general fund so it's reimbursed  by the 911 fees. The other last  thing in your FY 20 includes a $2.2 million one-time  transfer from the health insurance  fund. I did not know if Donna wanted  to talk about that for a moment.  

Thank you Tammy I can do that.  As you know, we will with CIGNA,  we changed our health plan it began January 1, 2017. We have  completed two complete years in  the plan.  We are at the point where we can  make a determination, that the savings  we've accumulated have accumulated  in that fund, we can now share and move back  to the participating fund. Every  fund has at least one, one-time  transfer coming into it, of those  funds that have employees who participate  in the program. Because we found at this point,  the savings can go back. In the  case of as Tammy eluded or mentioned,  the health insurance transfer in  the general fund was close to $2.3  million. We were also able, to look  at the fund and say, we  are funded at $11,000 or so,  per employee. We took a look at  that, and I think, mentioned  last year without we could bring  that down this year. We weren't  sure this time last year because  we had just started in the plan and did not have all the analysis  in place. We now have in place.  And we are able to drop that by  $2000  per person. We are going to be funding  close to $9000 per year rather than  11. We will monitor that, what is  interesting, years ago we looked  at health planning, when we started  this thing, medical inflation was hovering  around, I remember the days when  it was 14 or 15%. It dropped to 12%. Annually, it  is around 8% nationally. We are  actually hovering around 5%. Folks of taken advantage of  some of the cost-saving measures  that have been part of the new plan, they could  use cheaper options, which helps  them out a lot, so we are pleased.  We believe that what we presented  to you in this forecast is sustainable. It is constantly being looked at, we look at each quarter, we  meet with Mr. Robinson, who is our consultant. We are finding all the information  constantly and all the healthcare  data we get to make sure  that we are staying on track. It  seems that this is sustainable.  We are pleased, the plant you while  approved, way back in I think  September 2016, is the fruit  of our labor, the fruit of your  decisions is starting to take root. 

Okay. To take that  thought.  

Thank you Mr. chair. Going back  to this, we had a  brief discussion during the workshop, with costs going up 8%, we were happy with  that, as a showing 5. 

The good news with that, the  internal financials on this  are so strong. I don't say that often. This fund  is so strong, it's a 20% decrease we are estimating from 11 to 9. Thousand. If I recall, what do we have  in the reserves. To your 24 million?  

At the end of last year, if you  netted out is around  

Host: Million excluding  that crazy adjustment. It was 24  $25 million.  

We still have the reserves?  

Yes. We were careful, that's what we  did this. We are very careful on  how this is working. We want to  make sure we have enough reserves  should we have a major impact. So  far it is looking really good. Because  of the way it is controlled.  

so this is good news for our  employees also  when we look at  forecasting. And not increasing  costs for employees in the health  insurance sector. This has so many great implications.  Right?  

It really does. Again, 
     everyone is getting more educated  on how to use their healthcare. Which will help us across the board.  And in the community, just to go  back to our our thing on EVAC, we  hope  that more people that do have private pay and things,  that have these services available, use them. And you keep  ahead. Because what it does do to  the most expensive care we give , is the emergency care. It is very  important it's very good for our  employees, as we go forward. Hopefully you talk a little bit  about being competitive. In the  market.  We will be using that fact as we  recruit and bring in people as well.  We do a very strong, when it comes  to services we provide, at a cost, 
     I know it was very competitive out  there today.  

Thank you. 
     Just to recall the $2.2 million,  I want to bring it down to the very  last row on this page, which is  your allocation to emergency reserves. We are taking that one-time money, and we are going  to allocate that to  your emergency reserves so when  we get to that you will see that  go up. We also have additional one-time  money coming in from other revenue  sources to get you that 3 million. To continue on,  give 262, to the $62.9  million of revenue and on expenditure  side you have 82.3 million for elected offices. This  does include all of your  elections, office of the Sheriff, we have  added in the office of revenue division.  In the judicial and clerk system. From  that, I want to bring a couple little  points out. FY  20 is a major election.  That is a reason why you see elections  go up and then back down. It is  to account for election years. It's about $1 million increase,  we also have a request for a ballot sorter, so we've included  that as well. Within the office  of sheriff, we have additional positions  we have added in FY 20, six  are going to be added October and  12 and April. That has an impact  in the following year, you will  have that full years impact. That's  one of the reasons why that number  goes up. And in 21 we  also have a $900,000 increase  for a data center for the office  of the sheriff. $800,000 for increased cost of  equipment replacements. And that overall, within this area,  we have about $1 million increase  to salaries throughout the forecast  for FY 20.  The state attorney has asked for  an additional server and is been  accommodated along with the 
     the judicial system asking for a  new I.T. position. All those are  the reasons why, the variance for  FY 20 and some of the outer years. Going down, we just talked about  emergency medical services or EVAC. You see that appropriation  across,  that transfer is going  out of this fund over to the EVAC fund. The reference  that page number.  Where that corresponding  entry is. The next line is the  son rail. That information is currently just for your maintenance, keeping the lights on for that  parking area there. And is an estimate  increase in FY 21 of  3.1 million. This is a  very old estimate. Is an estimate  that Ken Fischer what he was here,  he'll prepare this estimate back  in the day. So we have a final conclusion  on that subject matter, we went  with what we do when we were originally  preparing the information. From  their you have series, it 6.2. That is  money coming in from your tax base.  And going directly back out to the  cities for their CRA's. Saw something  you can keep it all.  

I made the point earlier, if  you look on the office  of sheriff, going back , using the forecast she requested  on the 2016, 2016 to 2019 /20 there's an  additional $12 million that we are  funding for  public protection. I think that  should be noted that we are doing  a very good job of making sure that  the department is funded. One other  no, just above that, is the tax collector, the money that is  being set aside for that, almost  $4 million? And I don't know that we are  going to be receiving any savings  from what we are currently doing in expending that money. Those who scoffed  at the idea that it would cost more to fund that, maybe they might  want to look at the budget now and  see if maybe it is true.  

I want to make a point as well. At the end of  the meeting I'm going to be asking  the we talk about an outside provider  to handle collections. Councilman Johnson had brought  up the question about collections.  I wanted to note that.  

we do utilize one that we can  highlight that.   

For us to actually listen  

We can discuss that. No problem. After CRAs,  a couple of other things,  County managers, we do have in the budget, County  Counsel, County managers, hundred  thousand dollars for the census  in FY 20. Finance, business services, budget administration line, it is business services. Also within  that is central services. It's your  building maintenance, facility maintenance. We have an increased cost of  $3.8 million for maintenance of  capital infrastructure. Parks  and Recreation, there is a $300,000 increase for  trail maintenance. With those trails  coming online and being fully operational. Total, brings you to 172.  The next area is the focus  of ...  

Thank you Mr.  Chair. Let's go back to a question  on parks and recreational  coastal, are we putting the beach he's in  there? Is that what that is?  

Yes. It's payment to the vendors for beach cleanup and  your parking fees.  

Have the beach fees, has that  always been part of the general  fund?  

It has. 

and have offsetting revenue.  For the actual beach access fee?  And offset those expenditures. We also have a  portion of that beach access fee  that is going to the beach capital  fund. That is included in  your forecast.  

It goes here primarily.  

It is always been part of the  general fund.  

Yes.  

No problem. 

The next page, is your  main capital. Some of  the capital improvement plan is  offset by one-time revenue sources  coming in. You are utilizing some fund balance  or reserves from the prior year  to fund some of your capital. Some  of it is being funded by your tax  rate. $5.3 million  is being carried forward and/or part of the fund balance to fund capital infrastructure. Your total FY 20 capital improvement listing includes 7.7 million,  and then it goes from 8 million, 8.725 million, and those  projects include the Sheriff's , records  and management system, with full  funding being completed, estimated, your 911 technology, that was in  your plan last year, were continuing  that effort fire alarm system, 
     it has a direct relationship to  your 800 megahertz when you're Sheriff's Cat. 1 fully  implemented, this infrastructure  will need to be put in place as  well. We have an estimated 22 and  23, your corrections infrastructure, this is primarily infrastructure  being security, inmates,  software system, all security-related to the corrections facility and  it goes throughout the entire forecasted..  And then in FY 21, is your  estimated final appropriation  for your medical examiner facility. You notice in FY  22 in FY 23 you have additional  money based on the  current flat rate that will be  monies that we will look to allocate  and future years for additional  efforts to come forth before you. You have category totals of your expenditures, at the bottom  I want to bring to your attention, we have additional one-time money  from prior years on balance,  that we were fortunate enough to begin your transitional reserves  Rick we were appropriated $2.6 million  for that effort. For amendment 10 impacts or other  impacts to your revenue or expenditures. Your emergency reserves goal, again, we increased it starting in FY 20. A little bit  each year, able to meet that goal in fiscal year 22 at your 10%. 

Thank you Mr. Chair.   Now I remember why in our conversation , YIS for that look back. I want to go back up to the  major capital improvement plan.  Looking at the 800  megahertz radio backbone, that's  when we started funding that. We  talk about telling the whole story.  When we start our budget, and move five years forward, if  we do not capture the years prior  to that, when we start a  project, because just like the Sheriff's  evidence facility, we call it a sinking fund. Or whatever  you want to call it in your accounting  world.  We have done this on purpose. Years  ago. So  the 800 megahertz backbone was started  in 16/17, you can see the off beach  parking is 5.1 million, we moved  over, and the central  services warehouse, all these projects  were started years ago.  

Years ago.  

And were planning out, they are  cash projects. Like the  evidence facility. Again, this is  good fiscal planning and this is  why we have asked that an audit, was such a clean record, that Volusia County should be used  as a template for the internal auditing  in our fiscal and financial practices,  before the half cent sales tax,  we pass that audit with flying colors,  there is headline, Volusia County  did great, we pass that audit very strongly, this is one of the  reasons, because we have planned  for years, management has done that.  And counsel has allocated and still  kept the reserves. This is the main  reason that I had asked for the  look back. It tells a very strong  story of fiscal management.  

Tammy for clarification on  this page, where you have the 1.9  million debt service for  commuter rail,  

that was phase 2.   Anticipating we may need to borrow  money for that we have only one  year, of debt service and we set it aside into the reserve,  in case that subject matter rectifies  itself again. So it's only $1.9 million. You  would have to come up with alternative  funding to meet that in the future  years.  

That would be for the future. 

Ongoing expense.  

In addition to the three point something. 

The 3.8 would probably be, 
     what we have seen, that will get you  pretty close, without knowing  some of their increased capital  outlay for  the train sets and stuff it now  need to have upgrades and rehabilitation. The announced that at the last  meeting. That's going to be  your number, and probably larger  to stay in to Barry and stay assuming the DOT lives up to what  it said and takes care of the  bridge over the St. Johns River, you  are talking a  major capital investment. Where  we probably would ... increased operating costs going  forward.  

With Kate  take us up, double or maybe triple,  the 3 million based upon the 3% versus going to 11?  

Adeptly goes up but it's ongoing, maintenance costs,  that scare me. They have not been  able to ever really accurately forecast that. 

You don't think they're going  to give us the fund they have set  aside in their sinking fund for  the depreciation of the equipment?  They are going to give us that are  they? To replace ... the equipment is  going to be almost 10 years old.  

Exactly.  

And they're going to give us  use equipment and not give us the  funding that they have been setting  aside in depreciation offsets. A.k.a.  sinking fund. We don't know.  

We don't know.  

That's the unknown factor. That worries me going forward. We only asked them the second year  of their operation, could you give  us an idea of how it is going. Just like this, we could be several  years out, starting that planning. And it took them until last year  to answer that. And then when they  did, the answer was,  if not higher than we thought. 

I rely upon Tammy for  the numbers, with the operational costs, the  3 million or so, that is based upon  a percentage of boardings. 

The extra mileage would not be  proportionate to the boarding.  

That cost will be a percentage  of boardings including my County. So  it would be added as a percentage  of the total. The capital cost is allocated  on a percentage  of the track miles as a percentage  of the whole, we are about 21%, ... it is noteworthy that that the federal Department of Transportation  is saying they will pay for the  bridge which is a big capital cost.  As George said,  I thought after I responded to the  Councilman I should've said that  as well. Took part of my plan also,  so the cost of operations is based  upon boardings is to increase the  boardings. And everyone else. That would in turn reduce our boarding. Just saying. Whatever we can do to make their  boardings go up. That is one of  the things we are trying to do with  the Sun Rail commission.   >> 
     Being more accurate for percentage  of trips within the system, they  may do a better job of capturing  the boardings and lighting that  each and then they do for trips  in the middle.  

I think it's worth noting the  information we have, currently,  is the revenue from the estimated boardings, does  not cover the cost of issuing the  tickets for that.  

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     Be happy to answer any additional  questions you have.  >> Tammy I just want to thank you  so much and all of staff for this.  This is a wonderful tool for us. It certainly have  been eye-opening to me that always  is but this is  wonderful I just want to thank you  so much.  

We have been doing the five-year  forecast since I have been here  which is 10 years and going back  and looking at the record the call  that a forecast they call it initial  analysis update so it may have had a different  terminology they have been doing  this since 2003 through it is been  around long time and again if there is  any way we can improve on or for  you and the public to communicate  this information we would be happy  to accommodate your area.  

We plan on doing that and  I wanted to note that because there  was a letter something in the  paper about the lack of forecasting and we have been forecasting for quite some time and a great look back as to why we have been able to  pay as you go a lot of these cases .  

We don't need a motion  to accept this do we? 

Just one question  on our fund was a five-point 1 million for  the off beach parking that fund transfer packet 16, 17 we brought that out we went to  the off beach parking  when prices were lower and existed . That was a transfer from  Echo correct?  

 It was a transfer from your general  fund. [ Indiscernible ] we were  leveraging general fund this is  remaining fund balance that we had  at the end of the fiscal year when  we did her little audit presentation we realize we had  additional money. This is general fund  back in that year .  

This is some of the extra my  nose left over in the downturn that  we had a balance and  use that account of is that correct ? Have we zero that out yet ? I couldn't remember where that  came from that was a good windfall  for that that time.  

Thank you .  

Thank you very much. We will  move to item 8 B  Joanne I know you have been anxiously  waiting. 

Good afternoon  Joanne Bagley and we  have one event that we want to highlight  for this week's council meeting  those 30 workshops really  staff actually presents information  to local businesses about how to  do business with Volusia County  those workshops will be at 5:30  p.m. went July 10 and nine a  and Thursday, July 11 NLB health  care that you the building in addition  to that is really that was on June  10 we also created a flyer which  we distributed to the area Chambers  of commerce into the library Chambers are actually sharing their  newsletters social media. West Lucia  shared it last Friday be sure to their members yesterday . We have a Facebook  event on the county's main social  media page we  are also putting finishing touches  on it and immediately go along with  that we has a radio interview scheduled  as well because purchasing talked  with not trying to expand get the information about these  workshops so that we can improve  the attendance at them so that's  what we are doing for them. Any  other questions? 

I would love to have that information along with that video to share.  I have group the minority business network I  would love to give that information  out to them. I will send you the  link if you want to go back to June  10 in your email  we have is really sent to everybody.  

Thank you.  

Thank you Joanne go to item 9 and Ms. Wheeler I'm assuming you  have an appointment to make? 

Thank you Mr. chair . I would like to appoint Shelley to the planning and land development  regulation commission .  

Any objection to the appointment  of Ms. Shelley to the planning and  land development regulation commission?  Hearing none that appointment stands assuming we have to do that .  

 I put it up for item 10.  

Item 10 [ Indiscernible ] historic  preservation board.  

I would like to appoint [  Indiscernible ] to the historic  preservation board.  

Ariel McCann has been  appointed to the historic preservation board . Any objection to that? Hearing on the motion passes . I would like to appoint Shania  more to the historic preservation  board, any objection to that? Motion  passed unanimously objection. 11 County chair [ Indiscernible ] I will tell you  I'm having a hard time finding people  to serve on that once they understand the time commitment to that board . I had a  very qualified person willing to  serve he was approved basically qualified to serve at  once he got the amount of time involved  which is huge commitment he backed  out. If anyone out there is listening or if anyone up here --.  

Chair I have someone for you .  

Have them submit it because I  have exhausted the sources I have  any area of people willing  to serve on the board is a very  important board because I know we  were down to one time and they weren't  even able to have an one person didn't show they  couldn't hold the meeting so it  is important. We will try to work  on that one for the next meeting . Another two  applicants and I have not had a  chance to chat with either one of  them and I will do that. I  didn't know them so I will take  care of that next time. We will  go to item 12 this is for the children and families advisory  board the chair beside going to  appoint Dr. Tammy Ryan from the  Eastside and the children family advisory  board, any objection to that? Hearing  none that will stand. [ Indiscernible ]  

I just wonder  considering where we evolved to and the commitment some of these  boards especially the  code enforcement and the commitment  that it takes is there  something against at least  reimbursing for expenses to get there or if there's  something against that in the policy ?  

I  think we do that on APL DRC I think  we pay up something.  

Is there a stipends  available? I was on it  and it is a significant obligation to volunteer for . Just saying is it time to --.  

[ Indiscernible - low volume  ] George  or Suzanne?  

We will look into it.  

Thank you.  >> I know we have brought up in our  workshops about the advisory boards  and staff creating SOP for policy  and procedure for each board and job description and what  everything entails and perhaps can  we get all of that back if  we can [ Audio cuts out ]  

 -- I think that might be an opportune  time once we get the policies and  procedures back for each board.  

My thinking exactly 
     unless I am missing something we  are down to [ Indiscernible ] is that correct? >> Thanks so much for the opportunity  to address you today God bless you  folks out there today and people  back here. I wanted to suggest they  sent a letter to Governor Santana  support of [ Indiscernible  ] $5 million you building down and the very they  are proposing because Florida attach  walks -- tax watch [ Indiscernible ] Lakeside went  to the airport and what happens  to every is very important to this  area in our growth. Also lands held in trust by the state  of Florida are for the people in  perpetuity in those contracts the state makes our  in violate and to bury you guys recently  at Gemini 
     -- at the end of your  regular meeting and yesterday's  news I noted that  Ed Kelly claims the lands held in trust  for people along the Daytona Beach,  Peachtree waterfront there are of  little use and he wants to do away  with them and develop it also . Well,  I wrote an editorial back in January  1991 again that development and the tearing down  of our library the largest one in  the county in our courthouse still  in real good shape there wanted  to think JB  

For researching all of those  the properties will -- also we have government of the  people around here not government  by fiat and  that means these contracts last  for these places that have been  put away for nondevelopment for  the people that means forever and  eternally is lot [ Indiscernible ]  

Thank you. Mr. Nicholson? >> John Nicholson  [ Indiscernible ] several things,  one in the 90s  the county had property near  the ocean center and was parking  illegally in an RDB eight location . You guys purchase additional property  and so after  for rezoning along Main Street to  put in parking and you guys agreed so I thought that you would open  that to Main Street merchants with when the county is not in use.  You guys did not open it and Rick Hamilton was forced open  it you would open one minutes  before at the Peabody Auditorium it met the  statutes but did not make us happy  so I would ask you to reach an agreement  with someone you do it  openly and honestly . Is the would ask you to "lots for the cities use especially the  boiling when we have a really big  problem with that. Secondly  the property on Beach Street I would  encourage you not only to put back  the original size on ask you  to put building that's now on city  Island there an additional as much as he possibly could  squeeze into that property because  you know is going to happen in future  so overbuilt and you will fill in this building  was overbuilt and filled it will  ask you to put as much as possible  and location is called synergy so  many people packed into an area  really area around it. Secondly for two half years we were discussing  on the island I was well aware I  don't trust [ Indiscernible ] as far as I can  throw him he had been on a plan  for Beech Street plan on developing  [ Indiscernible ] plan will we were  well aware that city Island had two other properties both belong  to the county which could possibly  come back to the city is reverted cause on the library  being a library what switches he  technically was correct when he  read it all of it you can sit there  and weed out the  county courthouse because you may  move into knows that does happen want to redevelop it  and if it had any kind of clause  on it he had to cover him but so that you think can  just get it erected that regard  see any redevelopment  that there's not played in parking  lots for building that the courthouse  it's on in 40 years so that that has been developed  for four years and it has not been  recreational use was a what you  guys that I finally a hotel would  be great. Thank you.  

Thank you John. George? >> I will be checking on  the main street parking  comments. One thing to note on that is we did work with  the city and on what we call the South lot  the lot right next to the Peabody,  we did put in parking pay stations and I believe -- I will check  on this we work with the city when  we open up the lot on Main Street  in if we've got an investment in  a park and pay that may or may not  have something to do with what we  are opening the actual one on Main  Street itself they are next to each  other so there may be something  going on on that I'm trying to look into  that. Other than that I just thank  you for today. I think it was very  fruitful for all of us  to talk this morning and get a really  good idea. I know the staff  was listening and I also want to  thank the staff because  of the budget work of course that  Tammy and everyone has done was  very strong but also it was the cooperation I got from  all the departments as well so it's  a big team effort and  I am optimistic as we go into the real heart of the budget season  here.  

George?  Not George Dan?  

I think there  -- nothing sir .  

I guess this is the lasagna kicking  and. Ms. Wheeler ?  

Thank you Mr. chair just reporting  that I didn't go to the conference  with the 11th here and I do want  to congratulate commissioner Gartman being appointed  to the Board of Directors along  with some of the other of us that  are already on their so congratulations  and I attended the water  policy committee meeting floodplain  management committee meeting crisis  intervention  and emergency management public  works improving mental health 2020  those were just a few of them all  really good information received  from several of  us received the presidential advisory award for being on the  advisory committee went up to Tallahassee and pretty much all of us are  on some kind of an advisory committee  for the Association of Counties  but we also I don't know if you brought the war you didn't bring  it. How that. We received  a beautiful award 
     -- you are going to do that then  I will save it for you. I believe  my next comment to him but it was  a wonderful meeting it's always  good to get with other counties  and everything that we learn , we learned so  much just talking to the other ones  but we have a lot of information  it was a good week. Think you.  

Ms. Denys?  

That saved 20 minutes . Miss Gartman ?  

I just had a  heart palpitation. I thought maybe  lightning was going to strike.  

Nothing further.  

Oh wow . Then? 

I would like to acknowledge last  meeting we did make an error  in procedure I strongly believe  that we do need to do something  about the a TV's the  manner in which we handle it I don't  think any of to do that was below board but did have  that appearance so something we  got to be more careful about  here.make an error in procedure  and I started so I think something that we got to keep in mind .  

Dr. Lowry ?  

I agree with that I think we  have to be really careful with those.type  things maybe they went from those . I just needed a little bit of  clarification or help especially  in the public arena George if you  could in regard to the parks and CNS labels  and the issue we are having I know  what affects my area very coming  up with the Fourth of July and talk  to Tim a little bit I  thought it might be going to the  public just a little bit.  >> What's gone on of course is like  a lot of things  these inflatable's playground structures  have gotten very popular and what you have basically  is what used to be controlled carnival worker or somebody  who was sent your with  the apparatus was rented out  stay there and operate of  course now and a lot of places you  can order them in blowup a 25 foot structure and put it  in your yard  and no one is there to actually  make sure that is properly secured  or the other  factors for safety. People are  getting hurt it's kind of happening  across the nation . [ Indiscernible ] we don't want  to wait until that happens. What  we are looking at is really  difficult to get truly insured on  something like this and I would  have to really bring in our risk  people to explain all of that to  you but basically it's very difficult to get properly  insured without item because there's no responsible party and the ones that would have a hard time probably affording  the insurance I would take when you put that up . We have video of these things  blowing away in thunderstorms and  caring people often them . For the time being we really --  where not going to allow them in  our parks until we can either come  up with some safer way of doing  it or find a way to also ensure  it because we don't want to have [ Indiscernible ] that's where  we're at right now . Some cities -- my  understanding is people are banning  them in people's yards and what  have you so there is a movement  whether people can get safe and we use the term about the  house but you've got climbing walls  and big live -- slides  and a lot of different type of inflatable  items and again they are left there and unfortunately  young people are falling off and  getting hurt .  

I just wanted to let you clarify  that a little bit because I know  it does affect her area.  We are trying to find some solutions  to that and hopefully we can and  I appreciate your explanation on  that. Thank you so that's all I  have.  

Post?  

First of all  the workshop very well today we  tackled a lot of issues it is impossible  to get -- are going to have a listing  of things that were discussed in  the workshop or is that going to  be the minute is definitely the  minute that I have already started  having staff put together the list so when I can  look at it I will put it out as  well.  

I had discussed before like to  bring back the discussion of having  a provider taking our collections  that is brought up by number of  people asked for us to look at that  and I would like for us to at  least bring that back for discussion and look at all aspects  of that. 

Okay. Is  everybody else --? I think our collection rates are  pretty good and probably as good  as -- it never hurts to look .  

I want to make a clarification we do use a collection agency now . I don't know if you  are talking about that were billing  agency.  

Billing agency .  

Which one?  

Our billing agency for EMS.  

Billing or collecting ?  >> [ Indiscernible - multiple speakers  ]  

We will go ahead and  do a comparison and bring that back with what  we know what the industry is doing .  

Thank you. We mentioned the fact  conference I also without for second vice  president of the Florida Association  of Counties/conference I'm very  proud to represent Volusia County  and that way of course . I will say it was very disappointing  not to have Volusia the representation  back at that level with chair Kelly  Councilwoman Wheeler supporting  the opponents stickers  and actively campaigning for another  County, however I will say just  as I have supported the other counsel  people in the past on activities and involvement I will  absolutely continue to back you  in a position get I look forward to moving Volusia County forward.  Thank you.  

Thank you. Start with the good  part this award of recognition of  Volusia County best practice award  goes to Volusia County it's not  to anyone individual. I was asked by the foundation  -- a floater County [ Indiscernible  ] foundation had addressed a  letter asking for your George or Billy , or Billy to accepted on behalf  of the county so that's why she  did that . With that her  name was on the letter so that's why I didn't get up to  go accepted which is fine. I'm just  happy that we got it recognize that  there were eight I believe awards  that were given out of  67 counties that's pretty huge so  we put  this to George to find an appropriate  place for business for the and towel -- this is for the  entire counsel. I wasn't going to  correct payments made during public comment but I  will make it my public comment time  I did not take man was worth nothing  anywhere. I don't like those kind  of comments to come out . You are about to say whatever  you want it doesn't have to be true  in this case so far from the truth  that I have to take an issue with  it and repeating things like  that and that the next thing you  know what about Facebook it's the  truth but it's not the truth is  a total on truth and I would appreciate  people double checking what they  say about me before they make the  statements, very nice . There were a couple other statements  that were made  about the group supporting Tiger  Bay but it is not  every church area contrary to popular  belief just so they want to know  it is not. I is confronted with  Tom Kerry today was concerned on water quality  water board since 1994 other than the time that I wasn't  elected and it is not a recharge  area. Overages are of rich -- which [ Indiscernible ] that is not  a recharge because most of the area  of Tiger Bay is flat if you know  those of you who have been on it . I wanted to correct that sometimes  people say things that are not actually  true. [ Indiscernible ] I think if we  can do those again and says  that is issues that we had said  that we are going to bring back  to further workshop I forward to  that. With that we are going to  get out of here at 3:28, meeting  adjourned.  >> [ Event concluded ]