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JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
OK if everyone wants to find their seat, we will get started in a few seconds. 
 
OK. We will call the August 20, 2024 Volusia County council meeting to order at 4 PM. As always will will start our meeting with an invocation followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. In a minute I will ask you to stand for the invocation and pledge. If you are a member of a faith group who would like to participate in the invocation, you are welcome to do that. Just send an email to kgreen@volusia.org, and she will get you all set up! 
 
Today for our invocation we have the Reverend Neil (Unknown Name) of Coconino Presbyterian Church on Highway 40 in Ormond Beach. Reverend, if you would like to come forward and stand. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you. It is a great pleasure Father at the beginning of this meeting to see replace here. Father we play that whether we are elected representatives or some of the excellent staff year in our county or those who have came to be a part of this evening tonight as spectators or other kinds of participants, that all that we say and do might bring glory to God who made us in his image. Small or big, rich or poor, of whatever denominational or lack of religion that we might have, we are all part of a nation that invites us to participate in governance. 
 
We thank you for the good governance that we hear all enjoy as good citizens of this county. We ask you in this meeting that you get our representatives wisdom and all that they say and do and that they will do good to sit this county. I pray this to my Lord Jesus Christ, amen. 
 
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.  
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Karissa, can you call the Roll Call please? 
 
SPEAKER: 
(Roll call)  
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
We have a full house and a quorum so we will start with public comment. When I call your name, if you can come down front here. Make sure the microphones are close to you so that way we can hear you and the people listening online can hear you. You will have three minutes to talk to us about anything in the county, any county business you would care to talk about. 
 
There is a clock on the monitor in front of you. There's also a clock that will be on the screen over my head, so we will tell you when you get close to your three minutes. 
 
First we have Henri Thomas. And when you come down, please tell us Henri and everyone else who comes, tell us what part of the county you are from so that way your representative knows you are in his district. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I'm Henri Thomas. I live at 2725 Botts Landing Road in Pontoon Peninsula. That is in District 1, so Don Dempsey's district. 
 
I have lived in the delayed area for 65 years. Our neighbourhood has avoided the crazy development going on everywhere until now. If you are familiar with the pontoon Peninsula, you will know its unique place. I'm speaking today concerning the DeLand subdivision on the west side of onto the road at Huntoon Drive, 80 acres will have 100% conservation land and 40% homesites with the 142 lots. Even though this type of subdivision is allowed with present zoning, it does not fit with the existing neighbouring properties. 
 
The west side of Pontoon Road from New York to Watts Landing Road, 1.2 miles, has 10 properties with at least 10 acres each with active agriculture endeavours. I have watched the county land land development staff review meetings online and I was told by the DRC, the land development office, I don't remember who I talk to, that there was no form for public comments. That meetings are only for the developers and county staff only. It would have been neighbourly for the developer or the County to at least contact everybody, all the property owners, about what to expect. 
 
As usual it is all about the money. Neither I or anyone I know has enough money to challenge anything. We have to go with the flow and hope for the best. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you. Laura Ann Larson?  
 
SPEAKER: 
Hi I'm Laura Larson. I have lived in Florida for a lot of years. And... It is County one block where I live now. I think because it is at County, the county in the city cannot make up their minds as to who needs to take care of the water situation. So I have a hole in the ground at 106 Chippewa because I had to hire Mr. Rooter to come and put a flap in on on the pipe where the water goes out. 
 
When he gets down there, he told us that we need to look because the city's site was all broken. The city said, "It is on your property. You have to take care of it." I have already took care of putting in the flap that they were supposed to have two separate our system to begin with! And it is costly. OK? So I've got this hole in the front yard that is waiting for a thousand dollars. I had to go to the bank to pay Mr. Rooter to come and fix it so that way I don't have gases coming into the house. 
 
Well… The city says that it is not there responsibly and the county says it isn't their responsibility, that it doesn't matter whose street you live on. So we have this hole in the front yard and you cannot even mow where it is because it's so big. 
 
It's not safe because the depth of the hole is about half deep, one of the cats got down in it and I had to climb down in it to get the cat out. OK? That is the start of my issue. 
 
What takes it a little further is that a young man was shot at 2 o'clock at night in front of the house, and it just so happened to be a night we were watching late movies through the night to entertain ourselves because neither one of us were able to sleep. Right smack in the front of the house this guy was shot in the heart because he was left nude by the police. 
 
I stood there and my son stood behind to make sure no one had a chance to come and defile the body. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Laura you are out of time but I will tell you that we will be in touch with you. We have your phone number and your address. 
 
SPEAKER: 
OK. My son will tell you a little more about that? OK? 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
OK. That would be Tanner Larson.  
 
SPEAKER: 
To continue mom's story, the individual who has passed away, his family has left a memorial out in front of the house. We allowed them to have that memorial to begin with because of, out of respect of the gentleman who passed away and his family. 
 
They have changed the memorial from a wood pallet to a wooden box. This wooden box is where... It is not just a small wood pallet, now it is a big, huge wooden box. It is a fire hazard because they keep putting candles in it and the candles can ignite anything in it along with the box itself and burn the area down. Which is not safe for anybody. This is one of the issues we have. 
 
Another issue we have with the house or property is recently a gentleman with code enforcement came onto the property and did not adhere to the no trespassing sign. He came up to the house, knocked on the door, got in touch with my mother, went into the backyard and took pictures of our backyard without permission. And I'm concerned when individuals who are officials in official standing are not abiding by individuals rights and individuals home safety. It makes me very concerned as to what is going on and what is being allowed! Why is this being allowed? Who is it that is giving this person permission to do these things? Everybody I have spoken to has said my backyard is my backyard, not anybody else's backyard. It's not anybody else's right to go into my backyard. So I'm just wanting counsel to be aware of this. 
 
Of course we are at 316 Chapala which is counties own. Like my mother said, the water issue has become a major issue. It has been for years. Just recently came out and did more cleaning about their own equipment and they are still having problems with it and they have still not accepted responsibility for what is on our property. And it was definitely broken. So thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you. Jean Bailey? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Hello Council of Volusia County. I know you have seen me here a couple of times. I've been coming for the last six months about my son, Brad Bailey who died about an overdose in Daytona Beach. I'm a resident of DeLand but I'm still advocating for the people who are losing their lives when we have a harm reduction tool that will help. 
 
I know you all have heard me, that we have free Narcan vending machines I have been putting up. I have asked the county if I can put some on county property where I find they are mostly needed. I want to thank you all for tasking Doctor Brad to assist me. He has been very helpful! We went on field trips to see what I'm talking about. So he's really aware of what I'm trying to do. 
 
I did want to come up here today and thank you for his help. He did tell me on the 17th we would be discussing in again. So I want to let you know that I do have the machine in Daytona Beach. But I just installed a machine on Wednesday on the corner of Woodland and Voorhees at a private gas station. I'm not sure if you know where the gas station is? 
 
Unfortunately I could not put it where I wanted it to go. So it is on the back of the building but there are some available in DeLand now. My goal was to get 20 there and hit all of Volusia County. So I just want you to know we have one here in DeLand! I still ask the County allows me to put some on County property at locations that it is really needed. And that is why I come here today, to tell you all thank you!  
 
SPEAKER: 
Due to recent housing development in the area, I have dealt with a significant increase in water buildup in my yard. The construction of two new houses near me has resulted in standing water with it reaching up against my house. As a result, my backyard has become unusable for most of the summer, and even my landscaper is unable to mow the lawn due to excessive water. 
 
Furthermore, I am worried about the safety of my dog due to the presence of snakes. A neighbor now drains into my yard, causing substantial increase in water during storms. 
 
Despite seeking assistance from the county, there has been no solution. I told this issue is my responsibility. I believe this is unfair and unsafe. The standing water against my home poses a risk of flooding and damage to my foundation. It is imperative to address this problem before it escalates. I kindly request your assistance in finding a solution to prevent potential damage to my property. Your help would be greatly appreciated. I have a video to show you. 
 
(Video plays) 
 
SPEAKER: 
This is my back yard. This is the house they are building next to me which is 2 feet higher. This is my yard. I had my fence taken down to have... Try and alleviate some of this issue. This house, all the water from their yard comes into mine. This is what my yard looks like. 
 
I cannot get my lawn guy back here to get it mowed. I cannot let my dog out here for very long to do her business. That is it. All this water has been standing here for days and days. Excuse me. And days. 
 
It has been five days since tropical storm Debbie came through and now I have standing water up against my house. Right here. Look, you can see the water. Right here. I have lived here for 19 years, I have never had this issue before with the water standing like this. 
 
Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
Thank you. Gary... Is it Laughmiller? I came pretty close. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you, first and foremost. As you mentioned, my name is Gary (unknown name). I live in the Glenn Miller area. There is nothing more unsightly than people leaving couches on mattresses on the side of the road rather than taking them to the dump. Oftentimes, these are long paths and scenic areas. I have often wondered why later and destroy your own community? 
 
A few weeks ago, I found the answer. We recently renovated our old house and had a shelf and cabinet to dispose of. I loaded these onto the trailer and headed to the West Volusia transfer station. I passed two dump sites on grand Avenue. At the transfer station, I was asked what I had to drop off. I said it was old furniture, and I was informed that because it was in a dump trailer, it would be considered demolition debris and I would not be allowed to dump this material. 
 
I was rerouted to a landfill 20 miles away after driving 50 miles to get to the landfill station. I was routed to a large hill of waste. If it had not been for four-wheel-drive, we would have gotten stuck in the garbage. We had to drive over sharp metal and nails sticking out of the waste. I asked where to dispose of the couch or mattress, and she confirmed I should have been able to do that at the West Volusia transfer station, but the policy is to divert commercial loads. It was the vehicle, not the waist. 
 
I own a small trailer and had a pickup from which I could have delivered the load. If I had not done this, I could have deposited this rubbish at the land -- the only mistake I made was borrowing the dump trailer from a friend. Why would anyone dump a couch on the side of the road? The answer? Bureaucracy. Placing the burdens on citizens trying to do the right thing rather than employees taking a minute to do the right thing. 
 
If I had thrown it on the side of the road, my troubles would have been over. In summary, I do not believe these policies incentivize citizens to do things the right way. If I had been hauling hazardous waste, I would not have been directed to the stop of the steaming pile of crap. I should not have been forced to take this furniture to this location. I asked that this counsel consider how to value and correct as needed. 
 
The easier it is to correctly dump waste, the easier it will be on our county. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
Thank you. John Nicholson. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Arrow, the French company building the hanger out at the airport is looking to cite either (unknown name) or Volusia County... The paper says we have offered up to $500,000 and up to 5 million. I know you all are fiscally conservative, however, it takes money to make money. 
 
I am asking that we evaluate that half million to make sure that we get this facility. The jobs alone would be worth it. The ability to bring in other airlines would be worth it. 
 
I am asking you to look at that and make sure that we can compete dollar for dollar. Secondly, with the Narcan, I know she wants it in dolphin park. I have worked for 20 years to clean up that park. People were doing drugs that way, but it is not that way any longer.

 
I do not wishing to bring it back. If you put the Narcan dispenser there, it will attract those people and it starts all over again. I'm asking you to be careful where you put this Narcan. 
 
Third, we were supposed to have a meeting on offshore reefs. I would like to know when we are going to have that. I think it is important that we are now into hurricane season. Who knows what is going to happen the rest of the season. It is important that we protect our beachside. It is important to protect the property owners. If we can prevent their walls, their insurance... The insurance at this time is ridiculous. People are dropping insurance period. Let's have that meeting. Let's look at saving them. 
 
Lastly, you have seen this time again for the last five Years. Everyone says we are going to keep our water on site. Look at those houses! There is no way they are keeping water on site. There is the house around it. It slips into the neighbors yards. I am asking you to look at this carefully. People I have heard of four years are now complaining about water in their property and Margaritaville. They are just opening. 
 
I think we need to take a look at it to see if we are doing all that we can do for the neighbors of where we develop. We are going to develop what we need to develop wisely. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
Thank you. That includes public comment for this part of the meeting. I will move to item 1, approval of the agenda. Do I have a motion to approve. I have a motion to approve by Councilman Johansson, second by Councilman Robbins. All in favor? Any posts? It is approved 7-0. 
 
That brings us to the consent agenda. Does anyone have an item to pull for discussion or a vote? I have a motion to approve as proposed by Vice Chair Kent. Second was by Matt Reinhart. 
 
Any discussion? All in favor of approving the consent agenda? Any opposed? Consent agenda is approved 7-0. 
 
Vice Chair Kent, would you like to say anything about that? 
 
TROY KENT: 
Great job yet again, George. Keep knocking it out of the park. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
That brings us to item 3, presentation of the Volusia County medical district 7. Mark Swanson. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good afternoon, councilmembers. Mark Swanson. Item number three is a presentation of the annual report for the medical examiners. Doctor (unknown name) is here to present that to us. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I have my presentation. Excellent. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Next slide please. 
 
Today, I have great news. You are living in a county that is fully accredited by the national Association of medical examiners. This is an accreditation that was a long time coming. It took the support of this counsel to do that. It took the support of this county to do that. So I thank you. We achieved the accreditation in the summer, it took almost 5 years to do. 
 
We definitely believe this represents an external evaluation of our policies, procedures, staffing, quality assurance, everything scrutinized to a very high degree during this inspection. 
 
This is the disclaimer for the annual report. We do not take jurisdiction over every person that dies. We investigate unnatural, unexplained. We investigate about 25% of deaths occurring in the county, and we do more limited evaluation. If someone is going to be cremated, my office has to sign off on it as a nonnatural death. 
 
If someone is injured or murdered, we do not want them to be cremated before I look at the body. That is the whole point. 
 
In summary, we evaluate almost 3/4 of the fatalities in this county. That is an excellent benchmark. Most states, that will be 20-30%. 
 
The executive summary. Cases are largely unchanged. I do have very good news. Overdoses are down about 10%. The big player there is still functional. Nothing has changed. We are getting more designer drugs floating about. Some have gone, some have come. In a general sense, overdoses are down. Motor vehicle collisions are down and fatalities there are down slightly. Homicides are down. Suicides are up, unfortunately, for last year. 
 
I don't want to alarm anybody. I know there will be questions. Last year was an abnormally low year. We are back to baseline. We dropped in 2022 for some reason. I don't know why. Now it is back up in 2023. 
 
Turnaround time is still excellent. External benchmarks are 60 and 90 days. Cremation approvals are slightly down due to an overall decrease in mortality due to COVID and other things. You can see the jurisdiction largely unchanged. 2023 cases by manner, we are looking at accidents, two things, accidental overdoses and older persons who fall and break something. Those are both very common in this county. Homicides are a very small number and suicides you can see is the grey colour and natural deaths you can see those cases we do an autopsy or some kind of investigation to rule out trauma basically. 
 
Once again overdoses are down, we went from 2022103. This is good but we are not in our pre-covert baseline. We have ways to go. There has been improvement, just not as much as we would like. Once again, overdoses are still trending upward and age.  
 
This pie chart starts with teenagers from 10 to 19 and you can see there is a huge large population that comes up in the 30 to 40 range and it even goes into 60 years of age. 60 years of age on this chart ends between the blue and green. That should be shocking to everyone! 
 
In fact our average age, the last time I spoke to you it was 45, the average age of an overdose in this county is now 50 years of age! That's the average. There are a lot of people above that age who are overdosing. It is shocking. Once again, fentanyl is the biggest player. What we see mixed with fentanyl, this is over our total because people take multiple different things. In this county if you buy drugs on the street, No matter what the drug dealer tells you you are getting your almost certainly getting fentanyl and methamphetamine, sometimes cocaine, sometimes all three but certainly fentanyl and methamphetamine. 
 
70% were male. Pretty much all examiner work has a bias man with risk behaving behaviours. Motor vehicle related deaths are down from 142 to 132. On the next slide, I'm almost done, this is the chart I show every year. Once again we are not at our baseline for overdoses that we are making progress so that is good. 
 
A couple more things, I told you I would be an educator when you hire me. I have continued to do that. The new building excels in doing that. I have had 30 Daytona State detectives or trainees come through. I have had the sheriffs office trainees come through. It is a fantastic Academy! I have been to schools, I brought them in for tours, obviously I have not brought them in for autopsies but I brought them in for tours. 
 
The Medical Examiner's Office continues to be all external benchmarks. The new building is outstanding and I could tell the Inspector had nothing bad to say at all. We got almost a 99 on the inspection, she would not give us the last point but that was not us, let's just say that. The building was great. It passed with flying colours. Sorry I took a little long. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
That's right also but looks like you have questions or discussions we will start with David Santiago. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Thank you, just a question, do we track pedestrian homicides? 
 
SPEAKER: 
pedestrian versus motor vehicle? Yes. I don't have that but I can absolutely get that data for you. It is tracked but I don't have it memorized. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I read a year or two ago that the Volusia County was considerable higher in that county versus other counties. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We do have some. I can look at the data and get that to you. We see them. I will tell you generally, I don't know exactly the percentage, but a lot of those pedestrians are intoxicated so it works both ways. I can tell you usually there is a crosswalk nearby that someone does not use because they are intoxicated, that happens a lot. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Vice Chair Troy Kent? 
 
TROY KENT: 
Thank you. A couple of things. Firstly, congratulations on the accreditation! 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you. 
 
TROY KENT: 
And thank you for taking what George said to heart about going through with your presentation expeditiously. Because we read this report and went through it, but we appreciate you sharing these slides not just with us but with the listening audience as well. 
 
We spent time together last year, you are extremely knowledgeable and there is no doubt in my mind you're the right man for the job. As far as fentanyl overdose deaths, I appreciate you thinking that we are going to get that back down to pre-COVID levels. 
 
I don't know… I mean I think maybe you should explain that to this counsel how that will happen. Until you squash down on the fentanyl crossing our borders in the drug dealers cutting it. Because you know, one take away I hope anyone in the audience listening or online hears, he said basically 100% of all drugs on the street are cut with fentanyl and it is frightening. It should scare every parent. Then you look at numbers, 40 and 50-year-olds, and when we talk we were saying males are the number one group of people who are doing these recreational drugs and never waking up. It's a sobering statistic and I'm glad your bringing it to light. I will be done in 30 seconds. 
 
Then I want to touch on the fentanyl piece, if we can get it down to pre-COVID levels. And the second thing I want you to talk about is to tell us how great this building is for your efficiency and effectiveness. And thank you for the educational program you're doing with the students because it is helping you get the cream of the crop of employees. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Answer questions first, right? OK. The fentanyl thing, you are right. It is enforcement. It is keeping it away from the country. This is based on the DEA's information. It is largely produced in China and India and smuggled across our border. That does have to happen. There is no question. Enforcement is important, prosecution is important. My office is happy to assist in the testimony for overdoses if that is needed. We have done that. That is not a problem at all. I also believe that education is important and also harm reduction acts I think were also just brought up. 
 
Narcan does help. I am working actually with Mr. Reinhart on their recovery family workplace lines and they are talking about the same type of fentanyl thing. I'm sorry, the fentanyl with the Narcan devices. 
 
As a medical provider, there is no to Narcan. And I'm not sure that the presence of the anecdote attracts people to an area. My understanding is most of these people, if it is there that is great, but they will do the drugs where they can get them. It is kind of a... I mean we see people deceased everywhere. They almost mutely do the drug once they are in private. So that is what we do there. 
 
As far as a county I think we are doing what we can. I think the programs Mr. Reinhart and I are in our very valuable. His association with corrections has been huge. Getting those people careers after being released is a massive thing and I think we are going to make some progress on that. So if we can whittle this down 10% every year, it will take four or five years to get back, but it will be a process. 
 
As far as the building, it is incredible full sufficiency is excellent as of the load docks machine you gave me is something that we use now as standard protocol. The inspector was impressed we had it will submit makes triaging cases very effective. It allows us to have the bandwidth as medical examiners to do the education I told you I will do. 
 
I would have never, ever brought in 25 Daytona State students in the criminal Justice Academy into that autopsy suite in the old space. That would have been a disaster and you all know that very well.  
 
The new space is exceptional. I know we have distributed plans along state lines in the country. 
 
TROY KENT: 
When you showed me the two separate waiting areas for families that we didn't have in the old Medical Examiner's Office. It is not always a situation where two families can be in the same room and just things like that. You put your fingerprints on to make things better for people in some of the worst times of their life. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Councilman Johansson? 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Thank you, this was a great presentation. I also appreciate the time you spent with the younger kids in Puerto South Daytona leadership. Keep that up! I like to see that number of two down to zero but I'm glad that you are not the majority of deaths. Can you see any way to impact the 30 and above death rate by education somehow? Other than the program that you and Mr. Reinhart and a bunch of other people are working on? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yeah, the question is if I can impact the middle-aged bracket, kind of my age bracket. I'm not really sure how to get to that population. They have careers, jobs, it is awkward to reach out to the population. I think the program Mr. Reinhart and I are working on is the logical choice because these are people who already shall they have predilection to addiction. So that is the place to start. I would go back to that population. 
 
While this sounds awful and I never have good news about overdoses, the vast majority of 40-year-olds in this county are not doing drugs obviously. So you have to get that very select population and I think these programs work for that, they really do. 
 
And I think education as far as media blasts about what we are seeing in the community, public relations can talk to them about what you are buying on the street in Volusia County. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I would like to ask politically charged question, is there any talk in your professional association about the effects of legalized marijuana versus non-legalized marijuana and how by legalizing it, are we making people in that age group safer? Or is it equally as bad based on what you are saying? 
 
SPEAKER: 
My peer group does not have an official stance on legalized marijuana or medical marijuana. In my world of forensic pathology, marijuana might contribute to fatality but it never really completely drives it. I guess if your choices marijuana versus fentanyl, that is an easy choice. But I would be fearful that marijuana could lead to additional substances if it is obviously bought illicitly. I suppose if it is monitored maybe that would help. But I can't be sure. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
No statistical data from the community though? 
 
SPEAKER: 
My community has stayed away from that wisely. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Thank you. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Two things. First following in the wake of what Jake brought up, is it fair to say that a lot of street-level marijuana but is purchased illegally obviously is laced with fentanyl? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Some of it can be. It is difficult for us to know. We have people who come into the office and they swear they only smoke marijuana and then they have fentanyl and methamphetamine and whatever. But once again I'm getting misinformation second hand. I can tell you what is exactly in it but I cannot tell you exactly where they got it. I would assume based on stories we have heard, yes some of it is spiked. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Have you heard people buying marijuana from a dispensary that was laced with fentanyl? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I have not heard that. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I don't know if Jake was bring that up as a segue talking about marijuana leading to fentanyl addiction… (Audio paused)... Or it could reduce the amount of fentanyl overdoses? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Potentially, yes. Anytime you eliminate a substance, you decrease the risk of things being added in. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Is that more prominent these days? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Everything you buy, despite how it is described by the streetside dealer, usually has Fentanyl as the main ingredient. It is easier to smuggle. If you smuggle a portion of Fentanyl the size of a deck of cards, you have thousands and thousands of thousands of doses, as opposed to cocaine where you may have several hundred. 
 
From the perspective of the cartel and illicit drug trade, Fentanyl is an incredibly attractive substance. And based on what we understand from families and dealers, the streetside dealer truly believes what they are being told. They are not running mass spec laboratories. They have no idea what they are selling. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
It is fair to say that Fentanyl has a different high than straight marijuana? 
 
SPEAKER: 
It is an opiate versus THC. A different high with a more toxic risk profile, for sure. The Fentanyl, the overdoses fit a standard pattern. We had a case recently where people who overdose on Fentanyl collapse, respiratory suppression. 
 
We can look at the body at the scene and say that is suspicious for Fentanyl. We brought one in the other day because of that. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I will ask you a question you may not want to answer. Do you think legalization of marijuana may cause less Fentanyl deaths? 
 
SPEAKER: 
It is a possibility. I am not sure that the states that have brought out legalization... I would have to do the research. I do not really know. I'm from Virginia, and Virginia has a novel solution to the thing. They make people grow their own plants so they know exactly where it is coming from. 
 
Every person of legal age can grow a certain number of plans and then it cuts out all the middlemen and all the commercialism except for the seeds, which is expensive. It is an interesting solution. I do not know what Virginia's statistics say, but to me, that might make more sense, potentially, then a whole conglomeration of commercial operation. It's an interesting idea. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I want to share with everyone up here. I am around the criminal bar on a daily basis. Your reputation is phenomenal. I have been here 34 years, I have experienced different issues with the medical examiner's office and her different issues. You have hit the top bar. 
 
They know you are an incredible witness. You do a stellar job testifying, telling the jury about issues with the office and you have a wonderful reputation in the criminal justice system. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I appreciate that, thank you. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
And your responses are one of the reasons why. Councilman Reinhardt. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
Excellent job. Excellent presentation. I could listen to you for hours. As far as teaching, you have to be phenomenal. I was excited to hear how everything you told us you would do, you have done. Accreditation, hiring extra doctors, equipping appropriate staff, keeping staff levels up, adjustment in hours for the workplace environment. 
 
To top it off, your involvement in what you mentioned, with the Volusia alliance recovery and the work place opioid issue that we spearheaded and I think the job issue will be a big proponent in that. In answer to your question for whether we can find ways to reduce it, I think that is a step in the right direction. 
 
It also has to do with getting out to the community as well. You mentioned about the latest issue with the Fentanyl, and I know that you were referring to marijuana. I will not give you that gotcha question. 
 
You know my story and the fact that we believe my brother passed away from the Fentanyl overdose. I was surprised at the age you referred to, because he was 63. They found the opioid in his system in addition to the Fentanyl. So he was probably looking for something to alleviate pain. At least, that is my thought and I'm sticking with it. 
 
I wasn't surprised by the age brackets because we are seeing more and more of that. So thank you for your efforts and I hope you have a lot of success. I do have one question. Mr. Santiago asked whether pedestrian data was available. 
 
When that is obtained, is there a way of doing it by zone? By area? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
I know FDOT launched an aggressive campaign with zero deaths and I know we have a lot of those areas in the Daytona Beach area. I see it every day driving down that way. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Your district will be well represented. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
I would imagine. Thank you. Thank you for all you have done. 
 
SPEAKER: 
And I circle back to something you said? Something Mr. Reinhart said that is important. We talked about beating this problem in this age bracket. When you get the criminal record, it is this self-fulfilling promises. We talked about how options are limited for these people and getting employers to work with people and be more flexible is a big thing. That is one of the drives that we are hoping to do. 
 
It is a Catch-22. You cannot win because you have a criminal record but you want a job, but they will not talk to you because of your record. It is tough. 
 
That's it. Oh, sorry. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
I will try and stay away from the gotcha question, but going back to marijuana. Is there any medical or scientific evidence... We hear a lot in the public that marijuana is a gateway drug. Is there any medical evidence, or scientific evidence that marijuana itself lead somebody to want other drugs? 
 
Or is it perhaps that the gateway is really the drug pressure who has lots of other drugs and is offering them to other people. And if you like this hi, this I would even be better. Do you see any evidence? You talk to the families. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I would say the second part there, the availability of other drugs from the same person is a huge issue. Yes. I am not aware of any data that says if you use marijuana, you are at increased risk of doing other drugs. It certainly may exist but I'm not aware of it. 
 
I think your point is well made that having to buy the marijuana from a person that has other substances available is a problem. 
 
SPEAKER: 
It certainly is a gateway. 
 
SPEAKER: 
It would be. Absolutely. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
I will not push you anymore. I will say, you have gotten lots of pats on the back. Incredibly well deserved. We are very fortunate to have you here. You are a tremendous hire. I don't know how we found you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
National search. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
There are not many people who do what you do. 
 
SPEAKER: 
There are not. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
There is not enough to go around and we got the very best. What you have done in five years with that facility, not only does it make us look good but it serves the public well, it serves law enforcement well. You have given us a gold star. I appreciate it. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
This whole counsel appreciates it. I don't see anything else. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you. I appreciate it. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
Can I get a motion to approve the presentation? Motion to approve by Jake Johansson, and the first second came from Matt Reinhart. All in favor? Any posts? You are approved, 7-0. Continue to do good work for us. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Mark Swanson, director of public protection. Item 4 is the renewal of the medical examiner's contract. In 2019, the Council approved the contract for Doctor Fulcher for five years through September 2024 with the option of renewal for an additional five-year term. We request approval which includes the extension of the contract for five additional years through September 30, 2029. 
 
The cost for the contract is 3,018,729 which includes an increase for this year. Seeking approval. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
Doctor Fulcher, are you feeling nervous now? After everything that was just said. Councilman Reinhardt. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
Promises were made, you kept them up. It is appreciated. We are state-of-the-art. We are. And we stand above everybody else. Motion to approve the extension of the contract. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Second. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
A motion to approve the contract is given by Matt Reinhart and the second was from Jake Johansson. For discussion or questions, Troy Kent. 
 
TROY KENT: 
I will just tell you, I was prepared to make the motion and/or second it. But I question the increase behind the scenes. I sent George my list of questions on that was one of them. 
 
I will not go into detail because I think it is warranted. For me, I don't think for anybody, I cannot speak for anybody but myself. This was not a rubberstamp. This is the cost of doing business. And by the way, and you heard it from everybody up here thus far, the business you are doing is a wonderful thing for this community. 
 
It wasn't always like that. Things were not going well and I commend George Recktenwald. Because you said it, without national search. George and I have had a couple of disagreements, but one thing I commend him on is he knows how to put people in the right positions. 
 
You talked about Virginia. Staying disputable state, disputable County. Thank you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I will stay, I promise. It's all physician, labor, toxicology, everything. The national average, we still are lacking about 20% of our workforce. After college, it takes nine years to make a medical examiner. We will be dealing with a shortage for the foreseeable future. You are welcome. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
Thank you very much. Motion on the floor to approve the budget by Councilman Reinhardt, seconded by Johansson. All in favor? Any posts? Budget is passed 7-0. 
 
That brings us to item 5, the advertising authority budget. Who is going first? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Hi. Greetings. I am Lori Campbell Baker, the executive director for the Halifax area advertising authority, doing business as the Daytona area convention... I set the clock because we are going to be supershort. 
 
I want to talk to the audience about how we are funded. We are funded by the 3% bed tax, so when people stay overnight, 3% goes to tourism funding and marketing, and another three pays down the bonds on our ocean center. 
 
Through collective work, we get 10 million visitors every year and they spend a lot of money. $5.4 billion in our community. I want to introduce three board members. Sandra Boone, John Phillips and Johnny McGill. And also our staff, our leadership team. Kay Galloway, Andrew Booth and Chuck Grimes. 
 
Real quickly into what we are doing for marketing. We are continuing the beach on campaign. It's very successful. We have a lot of fun with it. We will add a digital content creator this year. Content is king. We shoot a lot and we need more and more to feed those channels. Under sales, we have the director of sales who would be here today but she is outselling. They are looking at faith-based, working on sporting groups associations and putting in extra special focus on corporate and incentive as well. We have representation in the UK. We are adding representation in Canada and we are adding the Brazil market. There are more and more travel writers, influencers, more ways for people to come to our area, tell their authentic stories and to send that message out to the world. 
 
And in order to get that done, collaboration is key. So we collaborate with the airport team, the ocean Centre team. There is a huge collaboration there between the teams. Then of course with Debbie and Georgia.  
 
These are some of our collaterals on the left, countywide assets we promote to everyone and we show them locally as well so that people who are ambassadors can get the word out for us. 
 
So that is all I've got. And I still have 12 seconds to go. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Well done. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I just want to thank you in my 10 seconds for all of the things you have done over the years. Your sporting facilities, those are things we conduct about and give us something fresh so thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you. Any questions Mr. Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I have a few questions. Obviously years is the biggest budget of the three, I look at all three but that one I kind of hone in because the numbers track a little more. I want to ask if you can get this Council more insight... First let me lay the foundation down. I like on your slide zero – six, the one right before this, there you go, I like that we have an image of the partnership's. 
 
As you have probably seen, this Council has made significant investments in our airport and we just recently announced some new additions, some new locations we are flying to. Can you please tell me what is your agency doing to help promote those markets? Specifically… If you can give me specifics that would be helpful. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We include flight schedules on our website, on our social media, on our messaging. We use their social and we amplify their message. We have $150,000 in this current year budget up. We used $50,000 of that Ovelo. In the budget we are talking about approving today, again out of $150,000, we have meetings set up with Daytona Beach and Ovelo to talk about how they want to market that. Here Cyrus, Karen and JoAnn market to our locals, and it is super important that locals are marketed these flights. So we market to those coming into the area. They go that way, we go this way, and we work close together to make that messaging happen. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
You said it was 150,000 this year, and last year was 100,000 and you did not use it? 
 
SPEAKER: 
It was unspent so it was carryover. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
For the markets, can you elaborate what you are doing in the specific markets? We need all hands on deck with serious commitments to the airport. That's what I'm trying to get to just see if we can be enhanced. 
 
We are making significant investments as our counsel and we want to make sure that our partners are doing the same thing. We approve your budget, we still have authority on this budget folks I want you to know. Unless I'm wrong and staff can correct me. 
 
So we have some authority over this budget. But my commitment to this airport, I think I said it several times so it is not a surprise. What happened along the East sides are the economic engines for this county. 
 
I want to make sure we are doing everything we can put Sabina we have social media but what other physical results do we have in those markets? 
 
SPEAKER: 
We are running digital ads. We have not yet sat down to talk about how to add messaging in. We have not had that conversation with your team. So just so you know there is a plan coming forward. But yes, we are absolutely committed to the airport because it helps us more than just on the leisure side of the business. We have… Because we know that breezes adding a Rome Germany flight, we added an association in North Carolina and our Director of sales has already committed to trying to pull meeting planners down in order to help build ocean centre and help fill those meetings hotels. 
 
So yes we are already strategizing but this is a new project. We are not there yet. There are already markets that we have digital ads running in but we are still finding out what our strategy is going to be. We are 100% committed to this airport because it means so much to us when we are trying to book business. People a lot of the times do not realize that there is an airport here in Daytona Beach in Volusia County. They get very excited about that! When they hear more flights are coming in, that is good for all of us. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Ms. chairman there are a couple more questions I have for you. I want to drill down more on the destination stuff but I do not have the answer. I want to ask Cyrus about that. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Cyrus come on down! I think this is important. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good evening gentlemen of the Council. David Santiago, thank you for your service. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
How many are we flying in Daytona and out of Daytona? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Ultimately what I will say is we have taken destinations, and I will go back and do some numbers in my head. Since 2021 we went from two markets to where we are now. When the service starts we will be at 21 markets so we have increased by 1000% since 2021. What we will have come November is the Westchester market, in addition to what we already have with Delta going to Atlanta, with Americangoing to Charlotte. Then we have the Apollo service going to New Haven and Hartford Connecticut in November as well. Then in February we will have the other three markets, we will have Durham, Providence Rhode Island, and Harvard Connecticut service on breeze as well.  
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Wow! I did not realize there were so many. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank think you. And I would be remiss to not mention (Unknown Name) who is back with us in November. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Thank you. I know these markets recently came to be. 
 
SPEAKER: 
...We have been in negotiation for quite some time.  
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I will just say this to my colleagues on the Council. I will yield for more questions. I want to have a conversation at the end of questions Mr. chair. I think 150,000 is too low. We are in our market that is on the spotlight not only across this nation, but airlines are seeing what we are doing here. So I want to have some dialogue at the end Mr. chair about the $150,000 commitment. So with that, I passed it to you chair. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Troy Kent? 
 
TROY KENT: 
I appreciate you dialling into this because if not now, when? I think it is an extremely appropriate conversation to have together as an elected body. So I appreciate hearing more when you get back to us about the questions. And obviously Cyrus you are a council favourite! You have done amazing things in the short tenure you have been here. It was not lost on me when you said how much visitors spend when they fly in here as opposed to driving here. Correct me if I am wrong but I think it is 3 to 1 the numbers, is that close?  
 
SPEAKER: 
Apologies, when visitors come in and fly into our market, they will come in and stay in our hotels unless they have family or something.  
 
TROY KENT: 
Just the last piece I, I would be remiss if I did not say... You mentioned this Miss Campbell Bleecker but I would love to see a session in their about a dog friendly section of the beach. No, just because there are people who will not travel unless they can bring their dog with them. And we have had comments that people would like that so I would love to see that in the future. 
 
SPEAKER: 
If I can say the Dog Beach has gone over well and we do promote it and appreciate it so thank you. We cannot put everything into a three minute presentation but we certainly tried! 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
We have a lot of dog friendly hotels? Do you know how many? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Not off the top of my head but I can get that information for you. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
I think there are quite a few. It surprised me when I first heard it. This is important. I knew you were promoting and I'm glad that you are. 
 
I want to go back to the questioning that Councilman Santiago was pushing because I would like to hear from the Council on this. I agree with him that I would like to see more than 150 000. There is an interesting debate in the community, it is should you be spending anything out of your advertising budget to help promote airlines? Is that a corporate giveaway? I don't see it that way. 
 
I see it as we are promoting the airport and it is now in the best position it has ever been in to compete with the Stamford routes. You already said it Cyrus, that we bring people here on their lines, they rent cars, they stay in our hotels, they even our restaurants, they go to the new aquarium on ES BC. 
 
It is a win. I see it as promoting the entire county. But the airport is such unattractive airport to bring people from all over the united states and outside of the United States. 
 
SPEAKER: 
If I could just say, we are thrilled to promote airport and follow this guy around to see what he is bringing next. Last year was a pretty successful, we budgeted 150,000, we only spent 50,000.  
 
We have 150,000 slated for this year and I already told him and Susanne if we come to a point where we need more money, I'm perfectly comfortable to get in front of the board and ask them to move money in order to make it happen. That is how excited we are about this airport and the partnership with Cyrus and his team. They are knocking it out of the ballpark. We know that. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We have just started running numbers on the markets we are in and we are spending around $300,000 already in these markets. So what is the message, you know? We have not even gone that far but we are working toward that. These are good markets. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you. Councilman Dempsey? 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Just to follow up with David here, Cyrus, you know I think you are doing a wonderful job! I support your efforts. I think you are the perfect man for the job. I voted against at this million-dollar guarantee from the county for Ovelo. They have been in place for a year now, is that right? 
 
SPEAKER: 
They have been in place for a year and two months. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
How much of that million have the tickets of our? Speak? The Wilmington service have used the rainbow portion of the memorandum guarantee. -- 
 
SPEAKER: 
We still have the majority of their portion. In fact have not touched to the New Haven portion of that since November of last year. So that is one reason why they added in a flight this summer. So they were doing three days a week and they also added that additional market to Hartford Connecticut and brought back the Wilmington service because there was overwhelming requests from the general public to have Wilmington Delaware and Daytona Beach reconnected. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
OK because I had this conversation about a week ago. How much is so far have they taken out of the million? 
 
SPEAKER: 
It is about $500,000 flat. Yeah.  
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
So we have already taken half the pot. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes, but we've made $6.1 million. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I understand this is a gamble. I understand where you are coming from. My fear is what happened to Melbourne. I think Melbourne kicked in 230,000 and the developer took a walk after seven months, is my understanding. 
 
SPEAKER: 
This is why this marketing arrangement is so important that we have. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
That's what I am getting to. My thoughts are I voted against it, but here we are. They already took off the money. I don't know stay are thriving or here to take the other half and do to us what they did to Melbourne or not. But I do think as long as we have a pile of money sitting in the tourism pot, we need to take as much as possible and put into airport advertising. 
 
We are not increasing taxes, let's take the pot of money in the advertising budget, whatever we can do to maximize the appeal to the customer base and to attract hopefully more airports the way you brought in Breeze. Let's make sure that they don't do to us what they did to Melbourne and take the money and run and go to some other airport. 
 
I agree with David. I think we need to discuss the availability of more money to get shifted towards the airport. I think you're doing a great job. I am not trying to embarrass you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Not at all. It is part of the business. And the reason why Breezes here is because of the success. We made a calculated risk. We proved a concept. The airlines wanted to see how we would respond to that concept. And now we have the most destinations that we have had for some time. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
It is hard to sell Daytona as a landing spot. But I do want to do this again for another airline. I would like to see this be a pilot and move on to the next arrangement. 
 
SPEAKER: 
You probably won't see another minimum revenue guarantee during my tenure. I think that was a philosophy that we employed to get the other airlines to take notice in our market. As a result of that, we are getting Breeze and having discussions with others and we are going to run out of facilities before we know it period 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I hope it works out. I have all the faith. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Councilman Santiago. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
You unpacked my thought process. We have made this huge investment. We have to put whatever resources we can so that we do not have to go back to our bucket to try to revive if things go down. 
 
I will go back to that point in the second, but first, international markets. You said Canada is one of your new focus is. Is that correct? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Canada has always been our biggest market, but we cannot take for granted that Canada is coming. 
 
Right now, we have representation in the UK and we are going to add some Canadian representation to that. We will work closely with tour operators and travel agents in Canada to bring them here. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
How do we track that? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Through hotels and number of rooms booked. I want to reiterate that. Everything that we do, we do with ROI. Return on investment. What we spend versus what do we get? We look at the dollars we are spending in the rooms that we are booking. We know there is an impact for things like daytrippers coming in. That is awesome, but not our mission at all. We need them to stay overnight or we are not paying down those bonds on the ocean center and not creating dollars to put the message out in other areas. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
How long have you had the international program? 
 
SPEAKER: 
For the UK? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Any investment in the international program. 
 
SPEAKER: 
The UK, representation over five years. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
What has the ROI being so far? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I can get you that. I do not have it in front of me. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I apologize. 
 
SPEAKER: 
This is good. We work closely with a corporation called (unknown name) marketing in the UK. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I don't know how we will handle all of the presentations, but I want to suggest, if this board is willing to agree, that on this particular budget request,, that we send it back. We send it back. The reason why, if you really look at it, 20 markets, if we stay with hundred $50,000, that is $75,000 a market if you(indiscernible) I think it is too important and I don't know what number to tell them. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We haven't had that conversation with Breeze. Digital doesn't cost as much. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
If I could finish. I get that. But I am not personally satisfied with what will change the number later on. I like things to be committed early on so we know where we are focusing the dollars. Nothing against your organization. I think we should send them back and say go back and sharpen your pencil and commit some more funds. Do whatever you have to do in your numbers and come back and say we will allocate this, this and this. You may not know, but allocate funds. Work with Cyrus, he knows who is coming. 
 
I want to see some serious numbers behind these markets. It is too important to say go ahead and figure it out later on. If you need more money, ask for more money. It is our fiduciary responsibility, and it means scrutinizing it sometimes. I think you can do it. 
 
But as an individual councilmember, I want to see your plan for these 20 markets, and $150,000 is way too low. That is my thought. I don't know how you want to deal with each one. Should I make a motion for this one individually? 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Let me clarify. Are you suggesting just as a budget for Halifax or all three? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Let's go for all three and we can deal with it at the end? If we want to separate at that point, we can or if we want to vote them all, we can do that too. I have questions for the next one as well. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
You are presenting your budget separately? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Correct. My budget has been through the subcommittees on the board workshop on the board itself, so I would suggest that you could approve the budget as is and then I will take this concept back to the board to move money. 
 
If you do not approve the budget, we take the chance of October 1 not having marketing out there. There is a lot of big votes that come up. I leave that to you, but I wouldn't do it that way, David. I think there is a way to get to where you want to go that involves the approval of our board and a strategy session right now. 
 
We don't have numbers. I could throw a number. You don't know if that is too much or enough. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Can I respond? 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Yes. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I appreciate that feedback. I don't want to hurt what you are doing. That is not my motive. At the same time, I am bothered by the fact that this is a budget that we have a fiduciary responsibility to approve and to bring it to us with a timeline saying you cannot do anything other than approve it because it hurts us later on is disturbing to me. Otherwise, don't bring it to me. 
 
That may be a procedural thing, just so you know. If I have a say, I will exercise that say, and I hope you guys will to if you want to. 
 
So I am bothered by that. I am looking at Cyrus because I'm trying to... I like concrete things. What do we have for them? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Right now, the deal that has been negotiated is, of course, with the airport support programs that you all approved via the consent agenda right now for less than daily service, the services that have been announced are twice-weekly. They will get $150,000 of marketing from the airport. They get fee waivers for two years. No landing fees. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Let me cut you off. Do we know specifically the markets that we will definitely be working in? The authority could have that information. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Providence, Rhode Island, we already know. Hartford Connecticut, onto front and Raleigh, Durham. We know those markets. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
One question for staff. Mike or George, this budget presentation, what is our authority? Vote up or down? Can we edit it ourselves? It is up or down. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Let me add this, she has her staff here. I don't think they have heard this argument before. This is good for them. I think it will go back and have a serious conversation. And come back with some changes. I almost think you've got mission accomplished. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
One more question. I think you're probably right. What is your authority as a board to call special meetings or anything like that? Do you have that capability? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes. I would need to get a quorum. It could happen. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I will wait for the other two. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Good idea. Before you go, Councilman Johansson. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I have a quick point. I think the conversation is going in the right direction. I wish we had listened to the other two to find out how much money they are putting towards total total of their budgets towards the marketing for their airport. I know they have line items. I also wish that their budget... And it probably is if we really think about it, Mr. Dyer, that we can line item that one piece and approve the rest. 
 
I would like to know for all of them, since we are talking about the airport, is if we levied an additional requirement on new -- on you, I would hope that she would take it out of reserves to make up the difference and not lose any other advertising. 
 
However, if you decide not to do that as a board, but you will come back to us and tell us what is going to drop. Because I do not want to lose something at the expense of something else without having that ROI discussion. 
 
I want to make sure, for example, I don't want to lose New York at the expense of Raleigh, Durham, if New York will give us bigger bang for the buck. If it comes out of reserves, I want to know the impact of that. 
 
The other point to be made is, if you have no clue, we have no clue. Let's find the people who have a clue. We make estimates all the time on what we think it is going to be. Let's find out what we think it will be. Apparently we were 100 grand to large last year or didn't spend it when we could have. It sounds like this year is going to be a different year. If Cyrus can pull more rabbits out of his hat, it can be an even bigger year next year. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I hope he does. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I would like to hear the other two and figure out how to line item everything so they can proceed with their budget. Save that piece, if they can possibly do it. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Ok, I think that's all the questions for you. Thank you. We will go to Southeast Volusia. Everybody is rewriting their speech now. 
 
(Laughter)  
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you. I want to start by thanking the board and all the staff back at the ranch. I am most proud this year about our accreditation with our accreditation program with our Association pulls up this was 117 different modules from HR, website, you name it, fiscal responsibility, and we got distinction. That was a huge accreditation for us. 
 
I want to talk about some media. We just open the floodgates this year. We had every journalist that wanted to come come. You can see here the Charlotte Observer. We want to be in markets where there is left. Margaret, Joanne, everyone has been fantastic to work with. Atlanta for flights, we have everything else covered. These are just the top publications. We work with Garden and Gun, they have a far reach and we are doing some events with them. 
 
We have for the first time a restaurant months for October. It runs until the 31st. Courses are $39 and I could not be more excited because then that overlaps a staycation program that we have. 
 
We have launched a staycation program and we have around 100 different programs for people to play in their backyards. We met a journalist in Connecticut on one of my for trips, I am leaving tonight, we are doing a media mission this week. And those journalists have brought their food event, it is called Worth Tasting, they are coming in October. So we are setting up and we also have a tasting. October will be a month not to miss in New Smyrna Beach! 
 
We are working with Leave No Trace and Wheel the World. We have a lot of hotels participating in that. Our partnerships, as was mentioned there are airports. We work with the speedway and we are doing a lot of missions. We are scouting out Providence. I'm from the New England area originally. I mean is my favourite backyard to dig into some of the media I grew up with. So we are working hard to do that in Raleigh, North Carolina. 
 
We will change two positions. This is marketing, this question I knew would come, we have 10,000 for a line item on the airport. We have spent around 25 000 that I 50,000 on a line item for next year and we will probably see that with the lifts that breeze will help. 
 
Thank you. I will answer any questions. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
I don't mean to scare you but the first question will be Councilman Santiago. 
 
(Laughter) 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Thank you Ms. Chairman. I said multiple times up here, the economic engine we have to figure out a way to fuel it, and your organization is a part of it. So as uncomfortable as it might feel we have to question it sometimes or praise it. Do you have the opportunity to called your board to a meeting?  
 
SPEAKER: 
 absolutely, it is called a special board meeting. And the end of September is our next board meeting.  
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
And you have $2.1 million in reserves correct? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Correct. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I know last year one of my colleagues spoke about the reserve amounts. Refresh my memory, as a percentage why is it 2 million? 
 
SPEAKER: 
 to be fiscally responsible I think it should be more. We need to start the year strong out of the gates. We are actually starting in October with August proceeds, then November is September, two of our slowest months ever. We need to have the reserves were A, opportunities that come up in the workplace, or pandemics or anything else adverse to the industry. The world is open right now so I did not increase that reserve this year. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
How did you all do during the pandemic? 
 
SPEAKER: 
 actually did well because the governor opened up the state but that is not what we were told by global associations. We were told we would be fortunate to even get a penny from our hotels. And people are using every penny they can to stay afloat. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
So I assume you still did well during the pandemic? 
 
SPEAKER: 
The Governor has been very supportive of tourism. I'm very appreciative. (Laughs)  
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Quick question. 50,000, so now we are up to $200,000. Do you collaborate? When you spend money advertising do you know what the others are spending so he can work together?  
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes. Laura, George and I meet often and we meet Cyrus. Of course Georgia wants to fill hers and I want to Beaumont and at the end of the day we don't want anyone leaving Volusia County will stop we want to get them here and we support the airport 100%. One of the big things too is we need to make the destinations unknown. 
 
New Smyrna Beach has been a secret enclave that we are trying to get out. The biggest thing I hear when I go places is shark bites. So that is something that we have to overcome. But we have clean waters and we are thankful for that. So yes we do communicate. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you. Yes I want Georgia to fill her hotels as well. 
 
So are there any other questions? OK. Georgia? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Alright. But three minutes on the clock. (Laughs) Really I just want to talk to y'all about a couple of things quickly before we talk about the airport. We are continuing on our tried and true things we're doing all the time, promoting our trails. I mean that is really the big thing. Not just our traditional trails but our (Unknown Name) trail and our wings of the West trail. 
 
We also do a lot with arts and culture and health and wellness. And I will tell you more about our newest thing we are doing. Our new venue promotion is going to be a focus because we told you last year there is a venue that has come to us and asked us to co-promote with them, similar to what has been done in the past, it is the Northwest Square opening rights outside of downtown, and they have a budget and they are asking us to go with them to some meetings and conventions. We are looking to rent out space. Of course there is the centre in Daytona and different places like that. So that a big part of what we are going to do. And we are changing around our staff a bit to do that. 
 
Next, we come up with a lot of creative things to do because we don't have a lot of money. But something we are doing this upcoming year is called Carvertise. It is branding and wrapping cars that go out for Door Dash, Lift, Uber, that kind of thing. We also adopted a family this year, a local blogger with a blog called walking panel. She approached us and we finally got her on board, we named them the Westons. They will also be included on some international to be this year on the Discovery Channel with let's take it outside and also Crappie is big for us still and we will have a Crappie show that is in Canada. 
 
... They are very kind for us. Here we are in West Volusia and they promote us all the time. This past year we took a trip up to New Haven and talked with those folks about what we can best do to work with them. We did a lot of Digital Marketing and other things. But right now in my budget there is only around $7500. 
 
Go ahead and ask your questions. We can also come in front of the board and ask for more. We have done in the past. The good news about what we do David is just about everything we are doing has a digital aspect. Like Facebook, digital ads and that kind of thing. So it's very easy to be nimble and move some of this around. We were just talking amongst ourselves a minute ago that we have a pot of money for doing (indiscernible) (away from mic) or whatever it is. And we really focused this year not on the $75,000 but on the Facebook account, with doing more ads and targeting up in New Haven. And we can see it every day. I mean there are four, five, six, seven new requests for New Haven about it working. It might be coming out of other pots of money as well. So I don't want you to think we are ignoring the airport at all! Especially over here because they take good care of us. When you come into the airport, I heard a lot of people saying before that they see the steps, the parks, all of this and they know Volusia County is part of what is valuable here. So anyway those are your answers before you ask your questions. (Laughs) 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
You answered one partially so you almost got 100%. 
 
SPEAKER: 
thanks. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Are you comfortable to call your board to meet at any time?  
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes. Absolutely. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
And calling on D3… (indiscernible) 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes I know you didn't. I know it is a big investment.  
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I think there is a very small minor amount and it needs more attention. That is why the budget is before us... 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Son rail? How important is that? You also mentioned trails. 
 
SPEAKER: 
It is very important to us. And right? For the last couple of years we are working with who does the marketing for Sun Rail to bring people especially into downtown DeLand. They are very conscious with connecting with the traditional trails as we call them. The biking trespass update has already been a path that Sun Rail put together to bring people downtown on bikes. And luckily we also have a lot of information down at the Amtrak station to bring people in. Because people were so excited. What else is there to do here? Downtown is definitely a huge, huge place for people to come and they have been saying this for a long time so I think that will do well with sun rail. That wall connect with people who come back later, we think they will come back later once they get a taste of it on Sun Rail. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Great and I'm glad to hear that, the trails and especially the microbrewery trails. (Laughs)  
 
SPEAKER: 
(Laughs) Yes they run until September.  
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
We propose that these budgets be brought to us during the second meeting in the month of December which still gives them time to implement in time for their budget cycle with direction to the boards that they need to reevaluate their commitment to the airport and significantly increase their budget item for that issue. 
 
TROY KENT: 
I will second that motion so we can have a discussion and vote. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
We have a motion to table all three budgets until the second meeting of September. Motion made by David Santiago, seconded by Troy Kent. Do you want to start Vice Chair Kent? 
 
TROY KENT: 
I don't mind. The one councilmen Santiago that jumped out to me was the Halifax area budget. You bring up a very valid point for the airport which is why I seconded your motion and will probably be voting to say hey, you have the option to call for a special meeting. You have heard this board and what they say here, the direction they give you. This is what we would like to see.  
 
And may be there board will say no and have reasons and discuss why. We can discuss that when it comes to this. I'm going to support you on this.  
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I want to redirect the question to staff about the budget. You were quick to say know that you cannot line one item to allow this budget minus the airport budget item... Is that? 
 
SPEAKER: 
We have manages to confirm that. The state budget requires... Like if you want to send it back I think you can do that.  
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
If they are not able to get back to us before October 1, should they be able to move forward with this budget knowing.  
 
SPEAKER: 
I think the notion is that you will have budget up or down in October. That is one path forward. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Jake, I would have loved to change the line item but I don't think we could. I think the message is clear to them. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Yeah. I don't… Knowing how contracts work, I don't want them to stop advertising until they come back to see us or loose a contract. That... I need to see a guarantee that you will continue to operate with the same vigour you are now going into October 1. Don't stop what you are doing and say, "Well I told you we would not be able to do it. I don't think that would happen but I don't know your board well enough to sit there and say fine, you can do that but you cannot do this this or that. I want them to continue what they are doing and do it well while we are trying to whittle some more money towards the airport. 
 
Advice get assurances that that is done, then I support the motion. But if things are going to come to a stop over one line item, then I think we ought to consider other options. But I just need affirmation and we will continue to press them. 
 
So can I get that from our three executive directors? Thumbs up? It doesn't look like it from (indiscernible). Is this like the federal government, we are all civilians and we go home for a couple of weeks until we figure it out? 
 
SPEAKER: 
All of our current contracts run through September. So we are fine, everything runs through September and nothing will stop now.  
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Does it stop October 1? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Know if we can get a meeting. Are you looking for an amount? We have not met with airport team, is there an amount you are looking for? --No if. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Since I still have my phone, I would hope the professional advertisers don't give me that number. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I guess I don't know, I need to take something back to the board. I mean they are very supportive of the airport but I don't know what to take back because we have not met with them yet. We have not met with Novello and breeze to figure out what they want. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I think it is up to you and step to come up with a good number. 
 
SPEAKER: 
OK. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Thank you Mr. Chairman. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Mr. Chairman if I could, I think this is clear. And I think it is clear with advertising authority as well, they needed a budget to spend money beginning October 1. Jeff Mike OK. Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Yes and if we approve the budget, it will be before October 1. Thank you for clarifying because I'm pretty sure all three said they were continuing business and that is a legitimate question, not to stall business. 
 
I agree with you Jake. Get with staff. Judging by my colleagues, the numbers are too low. I realize not all three entities, it is all relative to the size of your budgets. I and a number of council members want the budget amounts to go up. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I don't want to reiterate this but I will, David you brought up a good point about Ovello. With Melbourne there were there six months, took 200,000 some dollars and then left. They have been here half a year, took half $1 million. What happens at the end of next year when they take another half $1 million? Will they do to us what they did to Melbourne? Is what happens during your three when that half $1 million guarantee is gone? Will they go to Saint Augustine? Will they go to another location and do to us what they did to Melbourne? 
 
That is why I do not see this with bright eyed, bushytailed optimism I wish I had. But as long as we are here and we have a pot of money sitting there in Halifax, we need to kick in a lot more than $150,000 to do what we can to make Ovello so successful that they will not do to us what they did to Melbourne. Because I'm afraid that they will just be here until that million dollars is gone, then it will be like, "See later! Thanks." That is my biggest fear. 
 
Correct me if I'm wrong George, but we are one of the few counties that divvies up the hotel bed tax into sections of the county right?  
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
Yes. 
 
SPEAKER: 
You can see the budget, again not to recap a year and 1/2 of one on behalf of the west side but we only have 2.1 million while the others get 20 million. I'm hoping whatever other meetings go down? Georgette you do a wonderful job. I talked to her directly about this numerous times. I asked if she thinks this is fair what we are getting. She has said we are a great team. She is happy with the other districts and with how they treat her so I will leave it at that. But I would hope that we are not going to ask the west side to come off of hardly any money at all to promote an Eastside thing because the airport is still a thing. We are the best skydiving capital of the world. We should leave the budget alone and asked that Halifax and the Southeast agencies take all of the extra money for the Eastside promotion.  
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Go ahead George. 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
I want to comment that having worked with all three agencies and the executive directors now for many years, we are light years ahead of where we have been in the past in terms of working together. We meet once a year together. They, and we talk about how we work as an entire county because we have a lot of beautiful assets over here. When they are trying to attract visitors, they are pulling all of the wonderful things we have in this county. They work very well with each other to do that. I want to commend them. They have always worked well together. And again that is a testament to the three people we have running those offices today. And it has been that way for many years. So I do appreciate that! 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you. That leads me into this. I'm a little bit concerned with this for one reason. I think Jake said it. I don't think that we should be setting the dollar amount for you. We don't know until you get together with Cyrus, the airlines, the three of you. So it becomes a Catch-22. If we don't tell you a figure, you don't know what to come back with. My concern is you come back and in the second meeting of September, we don't like it or approve it and then we are bumping on October 1. 
 
So for me, after working with the three of you for almost 3 years, I developed a level of trust that you see what is going on here. You know exactly what we want. I have a level of trust to send you back with an approved budget and have you come back with some changes for this. 
 
I'm not opposed to what my colleagues are asking. I agree. I think we all agree that there needs to be more money spent to promote our airports. But that is a concern I have, that we are really knocking on the door of October 1 and we need to continue on with advertising. 
 
So Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Thank you Councilman, last bite. I appreciate your comments. I think we have established Mr. chair that they can meet and get to us by the second meeting of September. And we have established Cyrus and staff will work with them. Because I can throw out a number but I'm not an advertising guy. I think George said it well. And I agree with you. I think those are three experience, professional women that do a great job! But the budget as well is a statement from ones. It is a statement about how much we want to commit. It tells the public that we want to do this. That is why I want to let them do their work. I know it is ending to have Lawrence do this, but we want to say this is our commitment to you based on what you told us, meaning the Council. We will acknowledge that statement and say as a Council, "This is how important the airport is to us. And this is what we invest as a community." So I don't think the doors will close. Thank you for confirming that Mr. chair. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
I don't have doubt the work you can get done. I doubt about if it comes back and we still do not like it, then we are in trouble and it is not fair for them. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
We don't know until we know. I think they will get it done. I agree with your caution but we cannot throw a number out there, that would be a mistake. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
No I don't want to give them a number. I think they will come back with a number. I think they are hearing what we are saying and they will take it seriously. Councilman Reinhart? 
 
MATT REINHART: 
I have the same concern as the chair does. The second week of September cuts a close. And I'm praying they will come back. With Cyrus, I have the utmost confidence in the world but he can come up with the number. I wish we could take that line and look at it. 
 
That being said I am hesitant but will support it. Like Don was hesitant about the million dollars and we voted for it. I have hesitation as well on this but I do understand your point.  
 
TROY KENT: 
All three of these women are extremely intelligent and can get this job done full of I think we told him they had until tomorrow at 5 PM, they could come back and have an answer for us. And I will tell you why, because it is their budget! 
 
We get one bite out of this apple. This happens once a year. I don't know Mr. Dyer? From a legislative standpoint if it has to be like this? When it is pretty close October 1 when they have to have this meeting? Because maybe in the future we will not put it on this day? Maybe it will be a month earlier in case something like this happens again. 
 
And… Mr. Santiago, I want to applaud you because what you did is for some people, not for me, but for some people it's uncomfortable. But you get one bite at this apple and that is tonight! 
 
And because of one person's leadership on this issue, we are going to see hopefully a change that several of us appear have talked about we would like to see because we want that airport wildly successful. And there is money in their budgets to help with this. So thank you!  
 
MATT REINHART: 
One more point toyuhjn b clarify, I also have all the confidence in the world that these ladies can do the same thing. So I didn't want it to seem like I do not have that confidence in you. I do.) It's up to you. We have spent so long on this issue. So that is my fear. It was not with them, it is with us. 
 
I have every confidence that they can present to us and we are in agreement with them but I cannot predict the future. I am in agreement with you. I want to clarify that. Thank you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
(indiscernible) if you voted down again, we have an issue. Very 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
And any motions or questions? The motion on the table is to table all of these until the meeting in September, when we will come back with a… It is not going to be with a new budget. It'll be the same total hours but moving about the money in the budget, to pay for this. To put more money in the airport. Which you can see, the three of you, that the Council agrees that that to been more of a priority. 
 
So no other questions? I will call for the vote. All in favour of table and listed second meeting in September say aye. Motion carried 7:0. 
 
Item 6, rezoning from I4 to POD, 450 houses. (indiscernible). 
 
SPEAKER: 
Before you tonight is a qualified conditioner hearing on the rezoning of an atypical parcel located in Garfield and Kentucky Avenue. The subject property - sorry, this is quasi traditional (indiscernible). 
 
What we have in front of you is a piece of property approximately 8 acres in size. The land use underneath, what gives it its theoretical (indiscernible), meaning that the property could be developed into upwards of 64 units. Townhomes will be on (indiscernible), they will be owner-occupied, it is not targeted for student housing. That was one of the concerns that came out at the planning and regulation commission. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
The people at the back of signalling that they cannot hear what you're saying. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We are suggesting that it goes from single-family (indiscernible) requirements for that zoning category to come in with 50 townhome you helps to agree on (indiscernible) box. It is a private gated development, so it'll be responsible for all internal roadways, all of the stormwater. It is within the utility service area of the city of the land, and in the area of 2050 plan which is identified for this type of development. 
 
Staff reviewed it and recommended approval for PLD RC. There were two letters of objection and to spoke out against it. The main concern was this is a (indiscernible) lot, they were concerned about vegetation and traffic. And there was also concern about the size of the units and the type of development. 
 
Approval was largely recommended. I would be happy to answer any questions you may have it. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Do not go away yet. Does anybody on the Council have any ex parte to declare? 
 
TROY KENT: 
How are these individual townhomes? 
 
SPEAKER: 
There is a variation per building. 
 
TROY KENT: 
So there are 50 buildings? 
 
SPEAKER: 
 
There is a total of 50 homes. Eight buildings. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I do not know if I can ask you this. We just asked from the lady with the public comment at the opening, and even from some developers. Are they going to be building this up? Are they going to enter soil to this development? To make the adjoining properties to the north floor? That is the only thing that seems to be a recurring concern of property owners that live next to subdivisions that are new subdivisions. 
 
SPEAKER: 
They will be required to (indiscernible) elevations. It is not in a flood zone, they will need to have the elevation 6 inches above the centerline of the adjoining boat. That is what is applicable to all new homes. That are being constructed. 
 
The fact is is that the issues that we are facing in these states is that this is a completely different animal than what we are facing in any other areas. Because there is no infrastructure out there right now. 
 
So in this particular situation, the plea imposed development condition have to be maintained in regards to the volume of water coming and going from the site. So they will have for a 25 year in 24 hours storm bank. It will have to be maintained on site before it is discharged. It is in a closed basin. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I am familiar with this neighbourhood and this does seem to be a good thing? It was only a matter of time until somebody developed it. That is my only concern. I keep hearing this over and over again. 
 
Are you telling me that there has been this issue because of the two houses that were elevated (indiscernible) and she swears that is because of the flooding? Are you telling me that will not be the case here? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yourself. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Thank you. 
 
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SPEAKER: 
That we are coming here, working there in the unhelpful density that is already provided. And I will show you in the next couple of slides how that fits into the next picture. To the point that Mr Dempsey said, this is one of the out parcels that wonders when something is going to come through here, and that the property that is being provided here really lines up not only with the county. 
 
When you see the map, this is that part with the property and the city boundaries, (indiscernible), we have to come before you. But this is the portion that the city has encircled this and this is all part of the city which is why we double check to make sure that this lines up with 2055. This is the part of the 2050 plan where we contemplate additional density going towards. 
 
The other great thing is only and municipal services are already in place. We are already in discussion with the city to make sure that everything is there. And you have got something and others, and I will touch on the very briefly. 
 
We are dedicated to the actual right of way, because the roadways are either smaller, due to restrictions or just mother roadways. We are getting additional land being dedicated. But this is also in direct proximity to an extension of the rail system down Garfield Avenue. So it funds all the way up to ISP but we have the trail that runs along public all the way to the airport, and went all the way down to Plymouth. It is not for the constructed now but it will be. That is past George Marx and battery. 
 
It is disruptive for the people who have the sidewalks put in place that was pretty well connected, because this is an area that did not have very good sidewalk access. 
 
We are that big red box there, obviously you can see in that white, you cannot see the yellow tomorrow on the overhead, but yellow is the city of DeLand city limits. And this is just to show the DeLand 2050 plan, and the dark orange is the urban core. So that is where we want to redirect her. 
 
One of the thing that gets me excited to give you a free of mind of what is in the town in what is yours. If you go west along (indiscernible), it is about half a mile, and if you go west along Kentucky and then head north on that green arrow that is the DeLand Oaks condominiums. Multi family in a single-family residential area. 
 
In the north, to get to 92 it is 3/10 of a mile a longer fit. That is our note in boundary but we do not connect through there. And for your frame of reference, that is basically walk out the Athens theatre and then walk down to the new courthouse. So the member of that avenue. 
 
So yes it is August, yes it is hot, but focusing in on some of the likability and accessibility for some projects. 
 
Frame of reference here, the green star is the condos. The yellow star in the incorporated area, that is another area of apartment. That is a rental project there. This is where the Garfield sidewalk comes into reference here. 
 
When the two events starts here, this is the IHOP and the new (indiscernible) restaurant. That is in close proximity. I think the numbers to be aware of here are working out Garfield, two ISP, you are 6/10th of a mile from puppets. You have Grenfell in there as well, and although this is not affordable housing, our target here is about $325 per unit, just putting that this is a townhouse project that is within 6/10 of a mile which is located between Publix and Lowes. 
 
This is getting into checking the boxes of the public planning you are trying to do. A little bit low-density, and in proximity to all of these resources. 
 
Just so you can kind of see how they're getting through here, and I apologize if your screen is as light as that one there, but the light blue is the incorporated area. The white is what is still within the county. This makes it a little bit easier to see. 
 
Your external area is about 92 and Woodlawn. And then you have the urban medium intensity kinda being between the, so you think and the methods of usage. We are right on the edge of this but it was always believe that'll be the transition. We are in a single-family unit neighbourhood, and between that at another commercial strip. 
 
Just three from a colourful effect of what we are dealing with you. So well-thought-out, well-planned, this kind of fit in really well although the area has put more single-family homes and we do have sprinkled of apartments throughout the area. 
 
Because it is a PUD you and we did some other stuff here you will not otherwise get. 35% must be common open space. We can speak that for sure. There is also a tree protection area of 15%. No problem with that. 
 
We do have an internal roadway that instigated. We have a single access for our area, (indiscernible) and give you a table just to show you the setbacks and buffers that would be quite good for a single-family. There is a landscape buffer of about 20 feet minimum, a 45 foot building setback for the entire property, except for the segment on the (indiscernible). To show you what is going on with that, more right-of-way has been dedicated but we do not think it will ever be improved. 
 
I will go through these adequately, mean that we are anticipating a planning board. What does this mean for the surrounding property? Because we are pretty in townhouses that will be two stories, it is the single family. How does working around from the southeast corner, here you are looking at 30 feet of landscaper. And that he was building to the edge of the right-of-way is 48 feet. It includes dedicated the sidewalks. 
 
Now when you get to the southwest corner we do have a retention pond that is there, and we'll talk about that a little bit as well. We have a 25 foot landscape buffer, and the building itself is about 45 feet away but the retention pond of course. 25 feet.  
On the Western side this would be a long Garfield, a very large setback from the building, 145 feet off because of the retention pond it will be in the center there. These two locations here, are the ones you want to pay attention to because they (indiscernible) so looking south from their property line, the closest building is 45 feet away, and you have 30 feet of tree buffer, and a buffer between them, and if you look from the backyard, the only distinction or difference that you should be aware of in terms of the planning board, we still have 83 feet edge from the building, and a landscape buffer of 20 feet, goes up to 30 feet, that pickle ball court is being moved because everyone loves pickle ball and no one wants to live next week, so (indiscernible) is going there instead and pickle ball is going to the other side. 
 
The main point to emphasize is that if this is a single family residential you would have (indiscernible), we are trying to screen, we are trying to address the neighbors and to minimize the impact. 
 
Again, the 45 feet, and 30 feet landscape on the northern side, this is going down Smith roadway which is on the eastern side of the property, for most of this we are about 90 feet from the edge of the property to the building sides and when you get to the corner here we are dedicating 20 feet ROW, this is old, we are not relying on the roadway, the county is getting the right of way because they need it (indiscernible) this will likely remain treed, and we only have a 25 feet setback, (indiscernible) (audio issues), show the proximity of this building, if you look at this distance from the roadway is going to be about (indiscernible) feet, it will be the southern edge of the building and the northern edge is back there, so those buildings do not sit adjacent to the neighboring property. Or the neighboring structure. In all the dedication for the right of way. 
 
Something that came up, is the nature of bringing a single family neighborhood, (indiscernible) doing well, the projects don't line up apples to apples, but how do they interact with the neighborhood? I just pulled a couple things from the greater DeLand area for your frame of reference. The first one with the yellow star is called Stetson Cove Apartments it was General apartments in 1974, and now it is student housing, the only reason why I bring this up is because the student housing, you can see the nature of the buildings there, it's more of a traditional (indiscernible) architecture which is surrounded by single family with no problem or conflict. Similarly if you go to, it's now called University Hall dorms, it used to be University Inn, you could get a suite there when I was a kid, when it was still a hotel, it operates as a dorm and the 58 rooms there, it's important I think for some of these projects, the intensity of what they have, 11 one-room bedrooms and 32 two-bedroom apartments is on 2 acres, and this is on 1.3 acres, again it student, but in the historic district of DeLand. 
 
This is interesting as well, this is Minnesota Avenue running down there where the two stars are, it's Minnesota and Florida. The orange building there is two stories, it's on half an acre of land, a total of 18 units on it. And right next to it is the lighter brick colored and it is 12 units on .96 acres (indiscernible). You see house that needs a new roof, that is mine, it's about (indiscernible) I drive by there all the time it works out really well, so there's a stigma sometime of having single-family, but you have some good examples. 
 
This is a more intense one, this is along Hill Avenue just north of 44, this is lofts of DeLand and Alhambra villas, this is on the bottom right, it's a larger project, 60 units, you can see a building pattern there, no real infrastructure, stormwater, (indiscernible) and 60 units on 5.64 acres. Lofts of DeLand was built in the 90s I think, those are sold as condos, 13 units on 1 acre. It is right down the street from (unknown name) with the surrounding neighbors. 
 
We did not trigger a traffic analysis we do not have enough volume, but the (indiscernible) analysis, compare what is built into the system (indiscernible) our plan with the PUD utilizes less than that (indiscernible) the only other thing I would say about the soapbox, as far as not so much this project but you had to raise the question on the stormwater, and we are in the process of designing stuff, if you look at our pond here, we meet the requirements that we have, the new requirements of St. John's that they require, they are more intense, what we are working with to provide, but it's a more standard rectilinear one, this is still operating under the standards (indiscernible) and this is one of those projects where we zoom out and see the full map probably in the staff report, that (indiscernible) but moving forward as we work through those standards you have something that looks a little bit more, maybe ornate, moving forward. Other than that we are real happy to come in with a infill, in this market, and this type of product is in high demand, (indiscernible) and you saw a lot of those buildings that I was trying to show comparisons have a few years on them, there are probably a few that are newer (indiscernible), I'm happy to answer any questions or address any comments. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you very much. Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Mike, you perked my interest with the pond talk (indiscernible) they don't allow us to adopt (indiscernible) standards easily? 
 
SPEAKER: 
We're massaging it, it's in the workshop process now, I glanced through the first draft and I have not seen everything proposed, but where we get jammed up on multiple projects and multiple designers is it's a disincentivation to use more... All those regulations (indiscernible) and I think I joked with this board of the planning board, we do not want to go back to where kids were playing football in the dry ponds, a lot of subdivisions (indiscernible) hopefully it did not rain and you would play ball, we don't want to do that. But we do, as St. John starts requiring a higher volume to account for longer storms, but we have not yet tweaked or adjusted the ratios on the property. (unknown term), where that works the best is where there is some natural (indiscernible) and it takes more elbowroom, more swales, and before the water gets to a traditional retention pond you basically allow it to percolate, and he gets into the nature and the source of where the low points are and you can design a more natural system. But right now, if you try to do that, you cannot put it into open space even if you are trying to (indiscernible) and I think you will be getting some recommendations from before you work towards that. With this project we can work within that, but this is to check the box, the presentation comes before you in September or October, please keep that in mind because that design, getting the flexibility allows the developer to be 
 
SPEAKER: 
This is a conceptual plan? 
 
SPEAKER: 
(Indiscernible) 
 
SPEAKER: 
Clay do we have any topo information? If you've analyzed already, the nature of the typography, that goes into this project? Is it protected? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes there are two high points at around 94 elevation and some around (indiscernible), the two high points are on the east side, there was the third high point over on the west side, the northwest corner where the existing single-family home is. Basically the site feeds into the middle and and feeds to the south. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I'm looking at the pond, Clay, is the layout of this pond based on the ordinance saying that it has to be, does it have to be pond? 
 
SPEAKER: 
No. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
That might not like it, but can this be cut up into four pieces and scattered across the property? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I'm not sure, the soils in this area are pretty good, when you start to talk about pond treatment and attenuation, that's outside my (indiscernible) 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I asked this question, I'm not an engineer, just what I've heard over the last couple of years, even in the ponds as they percolate, they percolate into someone else's property or side, if that makes sense, and I'm wondering why don't we, or why can't we consider, if it makes science sense to have multiple ponds so you can spread that along the parcel instead of putting someone, let's say east of this with the full pressure? I want to make sure that we follow the code, I'm a code guy, but I'm also trying to find solutions without an engineer having to do it? 
 
SPEAKER: 
What you are both referencing is that when you start utilizing alternative methods (indiscernible) you can start seeing swales and other things, your staff has had conversations as of last week with St. John's water management District about that topic. So we are working towards that so that hopefully we can have better integration and more natural looking drainage facilities, such as the bio swales or some of these other low-impact methods. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Is the property to the east, where the pond is, buildable? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I'm sorry, what, to the east? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Where the pond currently exists. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Sorry that's on the west side, that is the tentative location, where they want to place it, again that is a subject to be reviewed and be approved in the final plans. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Last question, I think, and the co-guy in the process guy, I'm thinking concepts, could this plan be submitted in a method, and I'm not telling you where to go, but for description purposes, can I (away from mic) screen here. There we go. Could this pond be removed? And put, I'm just, can it be put over there, the concept is what I'm looking at. And balancing a site, distributing ponds out there, did that make sense? We have further documents want to be considered a minor amendment. In other words, in other words if the layout had to be modified because of engineering also met the other need for it, but looked as they maintained all of the setbacks, covering everything else, that could be handled with administrative profit. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
When you are dealing with a smaller lot here, your questions fit infinitely when we are dealing with the Trinity garters project, that is 300 acres and you do want to make sure you are not currently set for my part. With this design element as it was kind of contemplated, part of the thought process but the putting the pond where it was functions as a buffer against one of the main streets there as well. 
 
To Transport, there is that ability of a modification, if it is a minor modification. You are still early on with doing the engineering, but I wanted to make sure that you were aware that as you decide this, and really kind of talking for the dimensions and depth, it is because they are designed to meet the new St. John's standard for the higher volume. And that is fine! We can hit that. 
 
I just think as we move forward with those of the policies, that would be a policy that we could get started because then that dictates the design early on. So. But you. If 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I am just going to continue on that for a second. Those are good questions about the pond. You have done… Before I ask you this, you are absolutely right. On the lift quite a bit. As you know, I want that. But we cannot do it if you just want to add requirements on top of requirements. There has got to be the give-and-take. And that is a huge one, you're about to be able to calculate that part of the unpaid property. 
 
I assume you have done a soil sampling there, you know what the sampling is. Do you believe that this will be dry or warmer? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I am with the applicant for the engineer. Yes, this is going to be a tripod. I do not occur exactly, but I have the report here. But I believe the bottom of our pond is going to be a minimum of three or 5 feet below the water table, so it will remain dry. Any water we capture in our stormwater system is going to stay in that department calculate. 
 
SPEAKER: 
That was my second question. When Clay was up, he said it would hold all of the water on site until the start. And I think the discharge is what we are concerned about. Is it going to discharge into the surrounding neighbourhoods? Because I think the surrounding neighbourhood who built for current standards were in. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Not on the surface. It is going to percolate into the groundwater table. And then it will flow out horizontally from there. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
And it is going to move south? Underground? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Let me clarify… As I was saying, and the current topography that is out there, there are two high points over on the East side and one over on the northwest corner. And so basically, it flows to the centre of the site, and it goes north or south. If it leaves at all. Because again, the soil is very savvy. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Thank you. It is very good to have you here, to explain that. 
 
The current density is what? I think partly said, (indiscernible)… 
 
SPEAKER: 
According to the future land use map category is the UMI which allows up to eight units per litre. That would be 64 or 65 units based on the current plan. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
So what is learned already purpose? So today, you can build 64 homes are and you are asking for 50. So you are not increasing density, you are going down, which I think that to the questions about single-family housing. 
 
It is still single-family housing, except they are attached? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I think the looking at that gymnastics linguistically, to explain how we category but, (indiscernible) does not rise to the level of the apartment. It is still a single-family neighbourhood, just in a slightly different configuration. 


SPEAKER: 
So for me, you are heading towards LID. It just does not qualify, because of the requirements stacked on top of requirements. You are not increasing density. It is for single families living in here. 
 
You have talked about this and you have just heard it from Don, flooding into surrounded neighbourhoods, they did not have to build with the requirements that the centre of the property was 6 inches higher than the centre of the road. So they are going to be a little bit lower. You are going to bring some fill-in, to level the property? 
 
SPEAKER: 
The only water on this property which should be coming back to the right of way is what is inside of our buffers to cut back to grade. And I do not even think it is that much. It is a fairly flat site. So the only impact to outside of the site it will become back to grade. 
 
And he was saying, it is very sandy soil that it is very likely that that water just into the ground and does not cause any kind of issue. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
You keep saying "Checking of boxes," this is a gated community. So you are going to maintain the roads, instead of giving that to the taxpayers. Claim, five years from now cannot be changed? Could it be an and gated community? 
 
SPEAKER: 
People can always requested that that occur. Your staff was an advisor to see if it beats the minimum requirement for our infrastructure needs and standards. People can always request that. This is going to be basically a parking lot with driveways. So we would sit there and say it is not truly a public right of way and we would recommend the County Counsel not accepted. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
I have bought another councilmen who has questions for you, and then the other two members of the public as well. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Kind of following up with David, I think Clay, if you could answer, you were looking at the topography map. Insert the southwest corner is 95 feet, and (indiscernible)? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Over on the East side there are two mounds. The highest is around 94, 95. And then if you look towards the West, towards the north, it goes up to a high of 94. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
So I do not know if I had, the adjoining properties to the north, you know the elevations? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Continue at around 90 to 98. So it continued. There is a little area immediately to the northeast where there is a sinkhole or whatever in that area. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
My concern is the house on the northwest corner and one directly to the north. The one on the northwest corner is at one of the highest spots on the property. That is 94? So once you do the grading, are we talking about a central point here at 94, 92? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I will ask the engineer to clarify. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I believe the current way we have that the rated is the top of the pond is currently at 90 or 91. So that property that is adjacent to the top left should flood down into our pond. So we will not be discharging back into them. It would be great in and to our site from there from their property. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Once this property is finished, what will be the highest point? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I do not know what the finished innovations are the top of my head. But it will probably be one of the buildings of the Northwest. That will probably be one of the highest points on the site. There? You know how high that will be information? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Of the top of my head, I didn't know. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Will they be higher than the properties in the North? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I do not know. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Can you make assurances that it will not be any higher than that? 
 
SPEAKER: 
We can offer assurances that there will not be any water flow to the north. We will capture that water. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I do not know what the cause of all the flooding is on the west side. Maybe it is a coincidence to your detriment today that that lady came and was talking about her issue at Daytona Pops, clearly there were adjoining properties elevated and causing flooding issues. What assurances can you give us that it will not suffer what that they did in the opening presentation? 
 
SPEAKER: 
That is just part of, for us, that is part of our… OK, go ahead… 
 
(Laughter) 
 
SPEAKER: 
On page 54 of your staff report, this shows you the elevations. And also you go through and show us the soil conditions. The social condition here is 180° in Daytona Park Estates. Daytona Park Estates is a local lineup, there is a lot of organic material, a lot of wetlands in those areas, so therefore it has already been a high groundwater table. So when you come here and take the stormwater pond it is going to be 4 feet above the water table. 
 
So this is an area of sandy soils, that has very well trained, the water level is well below the surface, and she was saying that her pond is basically an existing plate, if you look at that on your screen right now. See how the 94 is over the Eastside, and for right behind the single-family home on the right-hand corner. So it is not an apples to apples comparison to the unfortunate situation happening in Daytona Park Estates. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
That is all, thank you. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Thank you. I just want to be very clear on this. A single family property, a residence, that raises the grade of a particular the publication is not to retain all of their drainage on their small property. Their obligation is that it is supposed to go down into the drainage ditch like every other home. 
 
Single-family. There is not one-size-fits-all. If you have a subdivision that was approved after the adoption of many of our coat, we have very detailed drainage plans. They would have to adhere to that. It is the situation specifically like in Daytona Park estate what we do not have a master plan. So we require the builders to come in there, because now they are having to raise the property to meet FEMA requirements to move the water directly onto the streets so that that way they can helpfully be corrected into the swales. 
 
The unfortunate situation is that there are properties out there were the cause of the low-lying land it may flow into the street. But then flow back into the neighbouring property. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
And that is happening nationwide! As we raised elevations of single-family homes. So, this project, and projects like it, where we retain or make a good artist effort scientifically to retain, is better than one by one raising the grade of homes? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Correct, and he so this first hand as it happened in St. John's when they increased their stormwater requirements. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
You. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Let me call on the public that is here. We have got to people who want to speak. William Nylund? Please come on up. You have three minutes to talk to us. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I would love it if we could get the elevation chart that was up there earlier? I'm a resident to the east of the project, I was hoping we could get some of those elevation charts, there that one... 
 
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I should say above, is a drainage ditch, I would say, and it drains into a pond that is on my property in that pond is then connected even more through the back of my property around into the property that was mentioned earlier, at the end of Smith Street. It is a hydrological system. And what my concern is, first of all them super glad about the retention pond I think it's a good idea, water going in and not going out, great idea, any water that would come from the east side onto Smith Street as it's built right now would flow into this one drainage ditch into our pond which would then, I have a very small pipe which takes it off into the rest of the hydrological system, and I'm worried that this would overwhelm that system. Which has been in place for decades. That is my exclusive concern. To let the boulders know, the engineers know, that anything that runs from the east side is going to end up in that, and not just flooding my property, assuming there was a flood, it would impact a large number of areas on the west and north of the property. So as long as people are aware, not just inside the property, but outside, I'm really pleased, thank you, and that's my comment. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you for that, before a call on the neck speaker, Mr engineer, can you deal with that concern? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes, we have enough setback between our buildings and our right-of-way that soils and yard drains can be utilized to capture that water. So nothing from our site makes it back onto Smith Street. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
So that it does not? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes so that it does not go back to Smith Street, we would capture the water. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I will wait. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
(Unknown name)? 
 
SPEAKER: 
John (unknown name), (indiscernible) in (unknown name) Springs, my business and a lot of my businesses in the land, I know we only get 30 minutes and I will try to keep it at 30 minutes, it seems like a couple of issues here that I wanted to put some clarity to. I am a part investor in the property, part owner, I'm a developer and I have been developing for many years, the first thing I would like to say as, at my age I want to be a good neighbor. And I mean that very sincerely. All of these issues, I've listened and have been developing for 50 years, and developed over 1000 lots, over 1000. And they know what is involved with all of these issues that you are talking about. I will get into time, because they do not have that kind of time. But there are some key issues that I want clarification. When we met with staff, and I want to thank our staff in the County because I go all the way back to (unknown name), and John (unknown name), I'm not name dropping, but the staff has been, I'm very impressed with whoever this gentleman is here, whoever he is, God bless him, he gave me the facts. I'm thankful for the staff. 
 
With that said, our first staff meeting, after much review several key people alluded to why don't we go to a private development? When we came back we discussed it, so we debated whether to keep it public or go to private. Now the overall vote for that was that if we went private there were certain planning issues such as open space, additional street parking and other issues I will not get into, so we decided to go private with this. Frankly speaking, I personally voted for that because I wanted, if the county wanted that then I felt like as a developer and sales into the thing that it would be an advantage to go private. So let me put that stake in the ground, please. Now the other issue seems to be over this drainage thing. I'm not an engineer, but I've done a lot of developing, and you know my brother always taught me, he was an engineer, that water drains downhill. Correct me if I'm wrong, we are up about 70 elevation overall, our water table is 14 foot down -  
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Hold on one moment, counsel can we give him an extra minute, I think this is important? Anyone have any issues with that? OK. Go ahead. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I'm over time, I'm trying to say a lot, and I'm trying to give you facts. No fluff. We've tried from the very beginning, this gentleman here, we have tried to go out of our way to do it right. To do it right. And we still continue that commitment. And to be good neighbors. Think you for your time. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you, appreciate it. OK, Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
This is, remind me, on the number of units and what the entitlements are in the property right now? 64? So down in the number of units, for the partial? OK. Mr Chairman, I make a motion to approve the resolution - 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Second, Johansson. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
David Santiago makes a motion to approve, the second was by Councilman Johansson. I thought you wanted to talk about of it (Laughs) Any other questions? Any other, all the presenters represented? OK. Then we have a motion on the floor to approve, before we vote, my final comment was, you and I have talked a lot about different things, this is a project, it's campaign season, so I'm out talking about changing development patterns, and you checked off most of the boxes that I talked about. One of them is not building roads and then giving them to the taxpayers to maintain the rest of our lives, George cannot keep up with it now. In the other one is that all the easy places are developed. The easy places, in my mind, are like this, high and dry. Instead of trying to develop wetlands and low places, Daytona Park Estates, which is a serious problem for the people out there. With that said, I will call for the vote. All in favor of the projects say Aye? Any opposed? You just hit a homerun. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Clay you got a lot of compliments today, do they know it your birthday. Happy birthday. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
I did not complement you (Laughs) You get so many of them. Item number seven is a small-scale comprehensive plan and then 3728 W. international Speedway Boulevard for a contractor shop. 
 
SPEAKER: 
If the Council will allow several like to do a presentation for item 7 and eight at the same time since they are dealing with a amendment and (indiscernible) associated. This is 1.7 acres, located by Indian Lake Road, it's in the high ridge area that's why it's having to go through rezoning to PED otherwise we could continue using standard coding (indiscernible) we recommend approval on both the small-scale land-use amenity and the rezoning to PED. PLD RC the regulation commission also is making those recommendations, there was no public comment at the public hearing for either one of these items. The applicant's representative is here if you have any questions. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I will wait for public comment to finish. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
We have two people, is it Colleen? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I'm the applicant. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
(unknown term) (away from mic) any (unknown term) to include Mac? I'm willing to answer any questions you may have. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
OK. Both of these are from you, because you're going to speak on both items. I'm not sure that you are going to have a lot of questions, but Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Can we make a motion to approve both at one time? 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Second. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Motion to approve by David Santiago, and second by Councilman Johansson. Questions? Colleen? Came all the way down here. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Item 8 is the second part of this. Is there a motion cannot 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Motion to approve the resolution. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Second. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Motion to approve a David Santiago and second also by Jake Johansson. Questions? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? And the motion carries unanimously. You did good work. 
 
(Laughter) 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Item 9, contract with politics paving Inc. for the Beresford Avenue extension. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Is easy for you to say. Good evening, I'm an engineer, as you said we are seeking approval of the construction contract with Halifax paving for the extension from Blue Lake to Kepler, for the total amount for $4 million. (Indiscernible) we don't have two construction projects going on at same time, or have them come immediately after and reconstruct it and tear portions up. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Questions from staff? Councilman Robbins? 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
I will save it. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Motion to approve? 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Second. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Motion to approve by David Santiago and second by Jake Johansson. 
 
TROY KENT: 
(Indiscernible) this is little over 4000 feet, this is less than 1 mile and it needs to get done so I'm going to approve it begrudgingly, because it's less than 1 mile of road work. That is all.  
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Do we know what kind of mix we are using for the recycling? 
 
SPEAKER: 
It is 20%. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Do you know what the concept would be admitted at 45%? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Not of the top of my head. Because we didn't bid it that way. I could have it I guess. DONT'E LAKEY: I am going to go ahead and vote for it as well but I would love to see the cost difference. Bang for the buck, to see what we are saving every but more recycled material in there. So more than double. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We can get you that number. 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
Member, it is not just the cost there. You could be sacrificing life. So we will be meeting with the paving folks, and the DOT. So pay now, pay me that (indiscernible) that is all. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
There is a motion to approve this expensive project, but Mr Kent said is correct. This is a needed infrastructure for the motion on the table is to approve. All in favour say 'aye'. Any opposed? Motion carries 7:0. 
 
OK. Item 10. Road network needs discussion. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good evening, Ben Bartlett, Public Works Director. This item is being brought before counsel at your direction, regarding the discussion a few meetings back about to the additional millage to kind of discuss… 
 
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SPEAKER: 
Projects related to maintenance and safety, the capacity is usually funded by (indiscernible). So currently allocated about $2 million per year. What we typically put a set amount every year. Currently the project next up on the list for safety is organizational. 
 
The design will be complete and ready for construction in the fiscal year 24 – 25. Unfortunately, we have been saving every gift we have had trouble with inflationary costs and keeping up the we are looking at a $3 million funding gap between the money that we have allocated for this, and getting into construction. 
 
So if you wanted to construct this project in the next school year we would need approximately, when it is ready, which it is permanent, an additional $3 million. 
 
Some additional safety project that we have lined up include (unknown term) Road, Timbercreek world, if it will intersection improvements, as well as some improvements to Howland Boulevard. So based on, you know, the upcoming projects as well as the estimated need for alternation, we are looking for an additional need of about 2 1/2 million dollars per year. Just on the safety products. 
 
Up next, pedestrian safety projects. Everything was a study done in Volusia County right quite high in terms of pedestrian safety and fatality we find the project and refocus our new routes to school. Where sidewalk gaps exist. And we have about $400,000 per year publicly funded for these projects. 
 
We worked with what is going to be called the (indiscernible) see PTO, as well as the county to apply and get a grant for developing a safety action plan for safe streets and roads for all. We expect this safety action plan to be completed in the upcoming year. It is going to recommend a series of projects to be done to address pedestrian safety. 
 
We are going to anticipate requests from the TPO and (indiscernible) to have a collaborative effort of some of these projects and we are estimating one or $2 million per year to fund some of these products. 
 
We have seen a lot of these going into, the new crosswalks and the flashing light. And what they call as the (indiscernible) ... You will see a lot more of these requests come through, so went to put that out there that were seeing the requests and how much they cost. Up next, bridge projects. 
 
Right now we have a bridge capital plan, this is just to handle the bridges that we have on our current inventory. We have budgeted $1.4 million over the next five years, 85% of that funding is allocated to the two draw bridges, Highbridge and Oxbridge and Main Street bridge. All of this funding comes from local option fuel tax. We have $500,000 in fiscal year 28 in fiscal year 29, for fixed bridges, we have 48 of these bridges, and to draw bridges. One of theFixed bridges is one of the new utterance memorial bridge, even though it's fairly new, it requires a fair amount of maintenance. One of the things we have seen with the fixed bridges, hurricane and in the massive amount of water flowing low, normally in Florida we do not see creeks and canals flow with high velocity because it's flat, tidal, but during hurricane and we had a buildup of the water as it was being pushed back in and the tide back out and it rushed through and it caused scouring. We are seeing this at multiple bridges and around Spruce Creek. And we are already in design for one scour repair project and we just got noticed on another bridge that has some scour based on the inspection that we will probably will have to add a (indiscernible) to. They are projects that had to be addressed and were not anticipated up until now, so we are looking at a need of about $1 million over five years for these types of projects.  
 
The main Street Fred is a pretty old bridge. It is made its way onto the replacement for interest. The approximate cost to be about $80 million. I am not advocating for that right now, I am just stating that that which currently meets the criteria for a replacement situation and that is about what it would cost. 
 
On fixed bridges, we have a… 
 
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SPEAKER: 
And that is right around what it cost per mile to pave a road. We do it with our in-house costs, and it can vary per year based on ongoing conditions such as stormwater and existing condition of the road. We have just over 1000 miles of the folks to resurface, we allocate $6.6 million to do that resurfacing. And every year we do a survey of all our paved roads. And we measured the pavement condition index. 
 
Our last survey, in order to maintain the average PCI we would need an additional $2 million in funding. That survey was about three years old. Currently held abodes of being driven right now is part of that, so we will get a new report based on the last three years through. 
 
Given inflation that has occurred recently over the past three years that number maker up. So we track our PCI as we go through and resurface and think which about lasting longer and which ones are doing better and we do that to develop our program. 
 
The quick summary. Current needed safety products, $2.5 million per year. Pedestrian safety products, $2.5 million figure. But Congress, $1 million, maintenance, $2 million per year. This is money we can spend right away over the next few years to address these projects. We have this long list of unmet capital recently in this budget none of these projects are included in these numbers. 
 
I will answer any questions, of whatever turned it over to (unknown name) who will talk a little bit about the mileage. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
For you, there are a couple of questions. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I can wait until they are done. 
 
SPEAKER: 
This is just a review of what was discussed in the last meeting in the management right and what the recommended funding millage rate would be. I'm just a comparison of what the operating and non-operating budget is without change, I just want to point out that you notice the change to both sides. Because while the levee setbacks in the operating fund for transferring the number to an operating fund. So it just goes to what we set up online. This is all the money generated from the operating projects that do not add these numbers together. 
 
So this gives you the budget, and then the tentatively set budget with those conditions. This gives you ongoing funding, if you would keep that dedicate miniature think for the vote based on the assumption of growth at taxable value you have $22.4 million after four years for funding, on the list that then went over based on current assumptions. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Councilman Robert. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
You had sent out a good email, I did not know if the entire council got it. Could you talk a little bit about the power of $5 million. I am not saying I want to proceed forward with that, but when it comes to (indiscernible). 
 
SPEAKER: 
I will let the finance guy handle that. 
 
SPEAKER: 
At current interest rate is estimated at $5 million per year would provide the pedestrian service to receive $64 million upfront over a (indiscernible) service. 
 
SPEAKER: 
First of all, thank you staff for handling this. If you remember a few weeks ago, we had some soft commitments from the opposition. I forget what the vote was. But if we found additional dollars without raising the millage rate, that would be getting to start knocking this project out. 
 
My biggest focus if we could bring up the safety project, would be the safety projects in the pedestrian projects. This is just the… Is that the entire list? Or is that the countywide list? Or is that just the District? 
 
SPEAKER: 
This would be, as we took off the safety project, these would be the next one up. I mean, we have lots of votes, we should be able to update the shoulder, the guardrail, all that kind of think that are older, and constructed under different specifications. So these are the next four up. It normally takes a few years to save up for these kind of improvements, inflation has been kind of talk on that, but these would be the next ones are on the list. So as we take them off we would proceed to the next one.  
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
In finance, Ryan? 
 
SPEAKER: 
We were approximately 3.8 left. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
In the last meeting in June, when we presented the (unknown name) in included in additional allocation to revenue loss of $3.8 million, are you able to justify the calculations and savings and other projects, that money was budgeted and was (indiscernible) in the project is not been identified for that. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
To we have a rough idea of the savings left over from projects, I'm trying to hit the $5 million mark, I have a sense we can get there? 
 
SPEAKER: 
With the (unknown term) in particular, because we just took it to the Council meeting in June, we already trued up everything to the best of our ability based on estimates. On the actual direct projects we do not think there will be any material savings, there probably will be, but at this point I cannot estimate it, some can come in higher low. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Thank you. OK. 
 
Something I want to bounce off you are make a proposition, I'm pretty sure staff can get to the $5 million mark, what I'm willing to do is make a commitment to you guys (indiscernible) safety and pedestrian projects, I think it was great use of the (unknown term) money, to get up to speed, especially in some of the areas that are much-needed, so if you can make a (indiscernible) today, to use the one-time dollars in any of the remaining savings to go to the road program as identified through staff, I will go ahead when the time is right, retract my motion and bring the $5 million back off and bring it down to the original (indiscernible), I think that's pretty, yeah, sure. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I will second that. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
So excuse me, yeah, I thought Councilman Santiago had a question. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Danny, thank you for the work you did. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Do you have any questions? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Was couple manning inverse. We talked about the idea we talked about the millage, we talked about tackling the growing infrastructure problems that we have on roads. Right? And how are we going to solve that? We can barely keep up with inflation with the road projects. I thought we could probably get to the point where we could have that bigger conversation and make a real strong statement towards, you know, how we will tackle our roads. Right? It takes money. It's going to take us to have some tough conversations, and I'm OK with having that. Probably that ship has sailed for the budget cycle, with modifications or changes, but I think we should have these conversations 1 January, start having some real dialogue on these major road projects. That was $5 million, I think? I'm OK with your idea. But I think, I like the safety projects, you read my mind, but I would like to spend the other $5 million on more safety projects. That's just my thoughts. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Chairman, really quick? 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Yes. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
If I can get a soft agreement with you guys, we have this money, if we want to put this off a little bit, I'm good with that. But I would like to see is some sort of commitment because, and they purposely had them identify everything that has to do with roads, I want to get out of the notion that it's $5 million a mile, yes, but there is 100 other road things we are pushing aside and focusing on the $5 million mile, when we can use some of these dollars that we have right now that we have two use at some point.  
 
I was trying to get commitment to tackle this low hanging fruit, and if we want to this budget cycle look at a designated fund, great, I am all for it. To that, where we can actually start doing the new roadwork expansion projects. But this money right here is not going to go to that. You're going to use this money for the sort of stuff right here. But either way, if I can get a commitment from you guys, I will go ahead and I can retract the original motion to add the 5 million to the general fund, let's go ahead and use this, and we will tackle this low hanging fruit. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Chairman, can I respond? I think I know where you're going. You are proposing the fund (indiscernible) to give direction to spend the funds to the safety project outlined, the other money that we were talking about a few weeks ago, we will deal with that decision when it comes back before us, right? 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Correct. And if we get the obligation for this I will go ahead and pull the motion for the $5 million off the general fund into it next cycle. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I'm willing to do that, to have a conversation later on. Thank you Mr Chairman. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
OK, Jake Johansson? 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I want a point to be clarified, Mr Robbins, raised the max millage rate. So we have the max millage rate and that's all it is. And we will talk about millage in a couple of weeks. So that's out there. There's no adding (indiscernible) the max millage rate has been set at $5 million more than when we started that conversation. So put that aside. 
 
Now there was some great staff work where there are elected officials, $5 million out there that we found for safety projects. That is what we are here for right now. I'm all for that. I also like the option to bond. We are a macro (indiscernible) condo association right now. We work so hard to keep the taxes down, we kept the taxes down, the houses nearly caved in, by golly we will get reelected because we kept the taxes down. There has to be a balance between keeping the taxes down and keeping the infrastructure sound. And this is infrastructure in general. 
 
There is a bunch of different ways to solve the big problems. David. And I want to solve the big problems. Bonding is just one way to do it. Referendum votes is another way to do it. We put something on the referendum, it can get $2 million for everything under the sun. I'm not saying that's the right answer either. But we have to start tackling our infrastructure issues before we end up collapsing. We already have places, some of them incorporated cities, that have failing underground infrastructure. And I think it's important that we at the county are being quick and do the right thing, and probably explain what we are doing and why, and get some of these things taken care of. 
 
I'm great with this short, I'm all about safety first. But I think the more that we kick the can 
 
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SPEAKER: 
Scour issues over multiple bridges because of hurricane damage, are we taking money from the transform (unknown term)? Two addresses, because I wanted more than just a $50 million that was post to be set aside. 
 
SPEAKER: 
They could be an option... 
 
SPEAKER: 
Have we gone down that path yet and if not why not. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Frankly because it's a very new issue (indiscernible), I have identified one of these projects as a possibility for (unknown term). 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
How much are we talking about, and potential costs for all of these scour issues? 
 
SPEAKER: 
We are still waiting on the design, the project that is really unique that we have not dealt with before. On one of the other bridges, we are literally just got the inspection report on it, weeks ago. So that one could be anywhere from scour protection all the way up to major repairs, to increase some structural stuff around the (unknown term) and we are still working on that. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Is a something we can say in good faith, for preservation in the future, structurally, can we imply this transform three money? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Possibly, it would follow under some of the resilient, making infrastructure resilient to storm damage and things like that. So it would fall under that, that is something we have already started to look at, a lot of the applications are already in, we are going to see, based on the applications that are in, working with (unknown name) to see if any money is left over, and we might have another round of applications. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Do you think we will run out of money? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I don't know, I'm not the keeper of the transform 386 money and I don't want to speak to that. But I do think that the applications are in, because we have submitted some already for other projects in the county. But we need a little bit more information to (indiscernible) because you have to go through a whole cost-benefit analysis and all these other parts of the application. So. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Councilman Robbins? 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
(Indiscernible) start tackling the safety and pedestrian projects. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Second. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
OK we have a motion on the floor to use the one-time money in savings, that staff comes up with, by Councilman Robbins, and seconded by Johansson. Seconded by Jake Johansson. We do have a member of the public who wanted to speak on this. Any other council members have questions? I know we, apparently we have moved to now the millage question will come up in the final budget meeting to Mac 
 
SPEAKER: 
Will that is for you to determine, you can also address the millage question tonight which will make things easier at the next meeting. If this is the Council's desire to pull back the $5 million off the millage, then that would be the next question that we would ask, if you would do that tonight, and when we come in for the September hearings, we will be back to the recommended millage from before. And everything will line up paperwork wise. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
I think that will be possible. Your thoughts? 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
We give the motion on the floor, I would rather address that first and then we can go in to talk about the millage rate reduction. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Does that work for you? I want to make sure that it's easy for you all to deal with. County manager? 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
Yes. It's great. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
We have a motion on the floor to use the one-time money, I don't see any other questions, let's call John Nicholson who wanted to speak on this issue. 
 
SPEAKER: 
(Indiscernible) comedians. John Nicholson, Daytona Beach Southside, so you're going round-robin on this to me. How easy would it be to raise (indiscernible) and that that present interest rates. I'm guessing that within one year, whether or not you are elected or not, the interest rates will go down. And you will get more bang for your buck.  
 
Seven years ago we tried a halfpenny (indiscernible) tax. And because we did not market it well it was turned down. It doesn't mean the public did not realize it was a need. I think there is $100 million also. You will need? This couple of dollars a year is not going to help. 
 
You have been the inflation. The cost of everything is going up. Asphalt is ridiculous, and cement. (indiscernible) no one has complained about the world. Water increases every year, nobody sees it. Everybody knows that we need infrastructure done. 
 
I have a problem with the city of Daytona Beach never saw a need to widen LPGA. Because they never thought that homes were going to go on the property, west of 95. They were convinced there would be no homes there. It is too late now! So they were happy with 2044 widening LPGA. It doesn't help us now. It is too late. 
 
If you bond that $5 million, what can staff do with $65 million in today's dollars? What is the cost of asphalt and infrastructure etc., in 20 years? Alright? You are never going to be able to do what you are able to do now. So I am asking you to consider that $5 million bonded, that year, and I think the public will back you when you say infrastructure. Everybody understands that we are growing astronomically. Everybody does not want to sit at a traffic light for four stops. They do not want to waste their time sitting in traffic. 
 
So I am asking you to think very carefully about that bonding now, and what it is going to cost in 40 years. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
So the motion is to bond $5mil. That passes 7:0. Councilman Robbins? 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
(indiscernible) and the tentative budget would be achieved by the $495 million, and the new budget would be (indiscernible) and the non-operating budget of $257,247,000. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I will make that motion. 
 
SPEAKER: 
You could go lower! We have got two more books. 
 
SPEAKER: 
September 3 and September 17. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
So you are... Councilman Robbins made the motion to reduce its down to the original rate. And the second is by Matt Reinhardt. 
 
Any questions? All in favour say I. Opposed? Passed 7:0. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you, that is exactly what I was shooting for here. I can either do it now or later. I want to give direction for staff to set that workshop for, or get a date for, and also get our local partners, some of our builders and contractors at the table with us during that meeting. Or I can hold it until after the meeting. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I think it would be… I think it would be appropriate to set the workshop now, if you want to make that motion. You are on a stick. 
 
SPEAKER: 
George, do you think after budget? 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
You already gave us directions for a workshop. So you need to set the date on that. But right now there is no (indiscernible). As a matter of fact, we have been meeting on Thursday and that one on next week on Thursday. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Can redo it in the new year? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I saw the white in Jake's eyes from the peripheral and I so my hair stick up on end. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
For your other proposal, I think it would be more proper if I could meet with contractor parts separately. Before that. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Absolutely. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Counsel, just reopened, I started reading. Of the boatbuilders and there is so much to learn with this. I am just blown away. It is absolutely a science. I can get you contact members and whatever. But I encourage everybody to talk to some of these folks. The folks to bid on some of these projects, it is amazing. But also the insight they can provide a way we can save money is just tremendous. So thank you for supporting these great initiatives. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I would like to be excused. I have a pretty long trip to Virginia this evening. Thank you very much. And 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Are you driving or flying? You can fly from Daytona. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I can't wait until then. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Have a safe trip. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
(indiscernible) is there a nomination? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Mr Dennis stopped, he is seeking the appointment and he is the only person to serve on the board. 
 
SPEAKER: 
What is the board's pleasure? Is there a nomination? For the Volusia County industrial development Authority. You have one application? 
 
SPEAKER: 
You have one application, the incumbent seeking the appointment. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Say that name again please. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Dennis Stark, previously Mr Johnson had appointed him. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
I make a motion to approve. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Is there a second? Seconded by David Santiago. All in favour say I? Any opposed? He is appointed. 
 
Chair assignment for early learning coalition of Falluja and Flagler County. 
 
SPEAKER: 
This is the position that (unknown name) sent they could not serve onto to the meeting type. As a part of the chair nominations we did bring it back, (unknown name) the library services Director can serve on that war. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
OK. I will make that nomination. Is there a second? 
 
TROY KENT: 
I will second that. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Any questions say I. Any opposition? They are appointed. 
 
Public participation? Just come up Mr Nicholson. You know the drill. You have 60 seconds to say whatever you… You are getting into as much as you can tonight! 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thanks. With regard to the death tax, there are several people years ago, who put an ironclad when it expanded and how they could spend it. I do not know if they can do what they are asking. I guess they could. But it is not (indiscernible), it is for advertising and bringing heads in beds. 
 
I do not like fooling with it. Especially when there is no need. They are very good at donating to get airlines in. Which we did very well on that. But aside $1 million and they only used half a million. You are worried about what happened in Melbourne. Melbourne did not get writers. That is why they shut down. They are doing well here. They are not going to shut down. 
 
It is not one of those things where you just grabbed the money and run. They are here to make a profit. They are making a profit. I am anticipating they are staying. That is why I have got this year and that is why the other one here. 
 
Secondly, the (indiscernible) settlement, did we not get a settlement procured? If we did, where it is going or has it been spent? I know it is out there somewhere. 
 
I want to let you all know that Daytona Beach is down five major hotels. They had been destroyed by the hurricane. They have not come back. So that tax would be a heck of a lot higher, if we had those 1400 hotel rooms. So it is a major problem for us. 
 
Secondly, I do not know if you all read the magazine the other day. (unknown name), number one small city to retire to in the nation. I think that is a feather in our cap. 
 
And lastly, could we get another airline like United? A major airline into the airport. I know we have gone with the smaller ones. We need to go out West. We really need to go to California, Texas, oh I know! I mentioned. He has got another thing on the hook that I am putting him for as well. 
 
But I think if we could get a major airline out West, which is what we need, because we do not go to Texas and we do not go to Colorado, Washington State, I know we may not want to have the California but it is lucrative. We may want to go back overseas. It has been a year since went to Germany. Remember Lufthansa? We have nothing like that ever since? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Add Italy to that list! 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
One of the think that Cyrus is looking forward to, at this because it also puts pressure on every other carrier to produce fares, and bring more people to the Daytona Beach airport instead of Orlando and Stanford. So just keep it up. Bring a Southwest Airlines. 
 
That brings us to the county manager. 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
I have nothing. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
I disappointed? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I think George is starting to trend. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
I do have something. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
What is happening at the jail? 
 
MATT REINHART: 
I was going to leave it out. We do have something exciting at the jail. Tomorrow we will during the first ever job fair for inmates. We are putting local businesses in front of these inmates for the first time ever. We have never done this before this way. That cannot be it as an excuse, that seemed to be the biggest thing. But when the individuals returned to custody, that they said they could not find a job. 
 
I think it was mentioned tonight. So it is an effort to join small businesses for personnel, people who work at their businesses, in addition to also depleting that recidivism rate. That is hopefully one of many things I am excited about. 
 
The other thing I wanted to talk about a while back, after the storm, we had suspended the ordinance with respect to sand placement, forefeet, to allow individuals the opportunity to invest that money into their property and try to fix that. And little while back, I know that sunset in December of this year, a few minutes ago I brought up the possibility of extending that are doing away with that and there was some resistance and I respect that. I think Ms. Santiago. Some very good point. 
 
However, I have an option. Knowing that we are getting ready to undertake our dredging projects which will place our multitude of… I should just say, a lot of sand being brought to the area. I was asked that the Council would entertain at least the suspension of that until that project is done. So we are not doing away with it entirely like I originally asked, but at least until that project is done. It just makes no sense of people to invest that money to put that sand placement when we may vary but be able to provide it to them for the dredging project. And there may be a third project that we have not talked about yet, from the intercoastal there. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I like the idea, for me would be a little bit more details, from staff, what would be normally do with that sand, if we did not have this, would be the plan for? What is the timeline, does it fit councilmember Reinhardt's recommendation on the extension? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Mr Santiago, I think that if the Council is supportive, we will be bringing back to you for action the extension of the program, in short I would say that those sand projects, the Army Corps of Engineers, dredging sand into Rattlesnake island, probably about 1,000,000 1/2 yd.³ in total that will be placed in those two projects, will be a year from now before we complete it, the earliest is about one year out. We will be working as a team with others to define when it would come back. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
What is the plan for the sand currently? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Currently the plan is to place dunes I think of 18 yd.³ per linear foot upon those properties that grant us a (indiscernible) for the sand placement for as far as it will go linearly north and south (indiscernible) placement. 
 
 
 
MATT REINHART: 
The ones identified are the most (indiscernible) inlets and chores which we know we were discussing as of recent. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Is one more question, counsel will notice we did a press release and social media outreach, especially to the property owners along the ocean, the state has as of July opened a new grant program that will allow oceanfront property owners, not the county, the property owners to seek 100% reimbursement for any sand that they are willing to place east of their seawall or east of their doom. Right now, compliance with the code requirements, the permit requirements, can be met and reimbursed at 100% by the state as long as the state has those funds. That is a first-time grant of its type. While I am supported of extending the permit, I do want to encourage our property owners to take advantage of those dollars the state is offering. That will only add more sand to our beaches which will be good for the system. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
Especially if there's a year that we are talking about in that timeframe. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I'm open to support you, Matt. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I would like to make the motion. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I will second it to bring it back. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
So your motion is to... 
 
MATT REINHART: 
What she said. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
So that was second by Mr Santiago. Any questions on that? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? We have one opposed. Six are in favor. Five. That is true. OK. Alright, Danny Robins? 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Chris, I sent you a couple of emails with links. Counsel, this is actually kind of neat. It's called the sand baggar and David it's not about you. (Laughs) I'm kidding, David, I love you man. There is a couple of portable machines with our elderly population, we get the storms, in September we are at the height of hurricane season, I don't know if it's something, I don't think I had to give direction on it, but I want to bring up some different examples to make it easier on our residents. At some locations. They use this in Port Orange, and they think they still may at a couple different of locations. But there's technology out there, probably fairly reasonable to help our people out. Chris, do we have the other one? 
 
Some of the fill up to 48 bags in (indiscernible), we don't have residents filling them up, but it's pretty neat stuff, something to look at. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes, we actually have some of the first one located out at corrections and that is what they use. They fill bags even ahead of time, we always have a stash of them ready to go. And they can make more. But we will look at what our needs are. Yes. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Are you done? Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I will be be brief, we had some tough conversations with the tourism authorities, I appreciate the work that they do, and out of respect, I hope they respect the work we had to do. There is a lot invested in the airport and we want to make sure that everyone is in on this. The economic engine of Volusia is what is important to me and that is the single motive. Thank you Mr Chairman. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you. Councilman Dempsey? 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Just as a follow-up to what David said and what John, I'm reading the news article, the Melbourne incentives came similar to ours, fees waived, (indiscernible) wait for the first two years and they pledge 275,000 and they left after 230 or 240,000, so I would love to see this to be a thriving (indiscernible) airport and see a legacy airline, every national airline coming in and out of here, but we had to be realistic. We are Daytona not Orlando. 
 
We have pledged 1 million, and they have already sucked through half a million, and they are halfway through. The first thing I was always told, the best thing to learn from his history. Because history repeats itself. I'm just hoping that doesn't happen here. I'm not a naysayer, I voted against it, and I'm still not optimistic, that this is going to be a success. Cyrus did a great job, he's doing a great job, he got (indiscernible) here, which is awesome. Again, that is why you want to make sure that whatever pool of money is sitting over there with Halifax goes to the airport because if we are ever going to invest that money, this is the year to do it to make sure that that is excess. I really do hope that it works. But I hate to see it not work. And here we end up like Melbourne. I hope that I am wrong. I hope they do. That's all. I'm not proposing that we chop it up, it's just with the west side getting (indiscernible) in the east side getting (indiscernible) million dollars, you can see we are maybe, I have nothing else, I wanted to respond to that because I respect you, John and that is it. Thank you guys. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
You are welcome. Jake Johansson? You are not here, Troy Kent. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Jake is on Dempsey air right now. Thank you chairman, a couple of things. George, that woman that spoke tonight in public comment that had video of her feet in the water, Clay is still here thank goodness, that really bothered me because I believed her when she said for 19 years that she has lived there and it hasn't happened until the homes got there. I am hopeful that we can help her come up with a solution because, to me, it seemed like that is why she is having that problem. And I would be spinning nails, at the same time devastated, if there was water up against my house like that when there has not been in the past. I'm hopeful that you George that you or your team will reach out to her and talk to her about solutions. That would bug me. 
 
Mark Swanson, and (unknown name) are retiring, I just had to say congratulations and at the same time a huge "no" the institutional knowledge that they have, George, I put feathers in your About you hiring and putting the right people into positions, those are two tough ones, you are going to have two, I don't know how you recover from that. Really. Those men with that institutional knowledge and that kind of background, you can't import that into someone else. So, good luck with that. 
 
SPEAKER: 
(indiscernible) is going to go in combat. 
 
TROY KENT: 
We heard about the sand beggar, I can tell you that (unknown name) we have those, they fill the bags and they have a line of cars coming into public works and they have a team of employees that are on rotation so they do not get too tired and they will actually put 10 into your trunk for you. And I was thinking gosh we have this out there by the jail, why don't we have inmates who have earned it, lined up putting the bags into the vehicles of our Volusia County residents. Can we do that? We do that, brilliant. I love it. 
 
Lynn Flanders is still here, she's been having conversations with people in the know, and I wanted to say thank you for having an open mind and having those meetings, because in the near future and in the very recent past, these bands have been to the Saint Augustine amphitheater, crowded house, UB 40, the English beat, Billy Idol, I ration, all of those bands should be at the ocean center where there is air-conditioned and great concessions, and I am positive you can make that happen. Because I love all the bands that I just mentioned, but what I do not love is driving to Saint Augustine and sitting out in that scorching heat, you know, when we have a beautiful center right here. Yes, for them as well. For those listening online the next district dialogue for residents will be on Monday September (indiscernible) on the Holly Hill City Hall. It is an open dialogue meeting with your district for County Councilman, and we talk about anything that you want to talk about. 
 
Last but not least, last Thursday my wife Heather and I, we moved Wyatt into his college dorm. Our house is empty, and believe it or not I am the softy in the family full you know. Heather likes to think that she is, but I am really the one. If you want to bring me to my knees to talk about my mother or my son. Because it can happen quickly. But we got a text from him, a picture of him walking on the beach his second day there and it just said one thing, "living my best life". And I thought good of him kid, and get his tail into class Monday morning and show us what you can do. So to WK, I love you and keep crushing it. Have a nice evening.  
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you, I'm going to skip because everybody knows it is election night. Results are still coming in. I'm going to go spend some time with people that help me, and my wife, and see if John Nicholson voted for me or not. I should have been nicer to you. Thank you all for good meeting, we will adjourn at 8 o'clock. 
 
 
 
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