SPEAKER: Welcome to the Volusia County Council meeting, the meeting will begin in five minutes. (Music plays) SPEAKER: Welcome to the Voluisa County Council meeting, the meeting will begin in two minutes. (Music plays) JEFFREY S BROWER: Alright I will give the 60 second warning if everyone wants to find a seat, we will get started in one minute. (Music plays) JEFFREY S BROWER: Alright. OK, everyone. It is 4 PM, we will call the June 18, 2024 Voluisa County Council meeting to order. At 4 PM. As you know, a lot of you are regulars, we normally start with an invocation, we will do that again today but it will be a personal invocation. We have two reverends to come today but due to unforeseen circumstances, they won't be here on time. If you are a member of a faith group who would like to participate in the indications here, please send an email to kgreen@volusia.org and Kris will get you everything you need to participate. If you stand with me we will have a moment of silence and we will go right into the Pledge of Allegiance. ALL: (Pledge Of Allegiance) JEFFREY S BROWER: OK Karissa, Will You Call the Role Please? KARISSA GREEN: Mr Santiago? Mr Dempsey? Mr Johansson? Mr Kent? Mr Reinhart? Mr Robins? Mr Brower? JEFFREY S BROWER: We do have a quorum and councilman Kent is on his way. We will start our meeting with public participation. When I call your name, please come to the front podium. If you would, make sure one of those or both of those microphones are right in front of you so that everyone can hear and this is a recorded meeting. You will have three minutes to talk about anything that you care to, that affects our county. And there will be a time clock on the monitor in front of you and on the screen over my head. So please try to stay within the three minutes allotted. We have a lot of people that want to talk. First, we have Elizabeth Caprio. You will be followed by Robin Magleara (?). SPEAKER: Good afternoon my name is Elizabeth Caprio, from Port Orange district to I was here couple weeks ago. And shared my comments with the motocross that was proposed for the land fill off tomocha Farms our lack of notification and other comments. Mr Brad Baugh… Got my attention as well as others before the meeting was over and we stepped into the hall and had a meeting with him at which point he said we were heard. And they will look for alternative sites. And we would hear about that. We thought OK, it had been a long day and we left. Then I find out from listening to the meeting and I was unable to meet – make the last meeting, that instead of doing the south end of the landfill, now it's proposed to go to the north end of the landfill. Hallelujah, we flood the north end, more water in the South end, it makes things worse than what they have been and we have local streets in that area that are flooded. Town West for a traffic road, for all the excess traffic that this – anything at that proposed site would take, the road is a little more than a mile long. It is 100% residential. None of the neighbors and strangers that I've talked to about this, are excited are looking forward to this and they don't want their children involved at all this traffic. There's nothing nice that I'm hearing. I looked up some stuff and I wrote a whole lot that I wanted to say, and the more I read what I wrote, the angrier it sounded and I decided I'm just not gonna read this. I'm going to ask, that the entire landfill area be abandoned. I haven't seen an economic study – excuse me, an ecological study, I don't know how safe it would be for people to participate and do anything safely on property that winds up having sand on top of it with God only knows what toxins in there? I don't know I want to be involved in Volusia County Council conducting a for-profit hazardous niche sport. I'm asking that the landfill area be completely abandoned and I'm also asking that this project not be funded in any way. With tax dollar one, or anything from ECHO. If this project makes so much money how income private business hasn't moved in and wanted to do it somewhere in Volusia County? There's all kinds of race things they can add on to. Really? You want to put the people of Voluisa County at risk? For what? A couple people to have a nice time and make a lot of noise? None of us are happy with this. And we all vote. Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Robin (unknown name) followed by David Smith. SPEAKER: Robin (unknown name) Warren Beach Florida. It's been a long tiring stressful few months for Ormond Beach residents to stop the fuel terminal building Norman. Governor DeSantis wants these terminals built for fuel resiliency in the state of Florida. If there are to be built they must be built and located and proper locations away from neighborhoods. Our fragile waterways and wetlands. Last week Governor DeSantis signed the state budget included in the budget is a $10 million grant for the relocation of the fuel terminal to a location in Volusia (indiscernible) Flagler County. This action taken by the governor says in unspoken words that the whole road location is not an appropriate build site for heavy industrial feel facility. (indiscernible) stands with the citizens of Ormand Beach. It's long past due now the time for the county staff and counsel to stand united with the residents. In the past I've heard more than one Council member state fears of litigation having to go into a court battle. The Bert Harris Act has been mentioned numerous occasions by stuffing counsel. But those fears aside, the government stands with Ormond Beach and you as well. My hope is the County Council takes program measures to ensure the fuel terminal doesn't get built on (indiscernible) Road. As we await the decision of Belvedere terminals we as residents will monitor the process and remain active. Our work as Volusia County residents is not over. We requested for months to have the eye to heavy industrial zoning Inc. Voluisa County assessed changed and updated. What was once appropriate when zoning 1530 20 years ago may not be appropriate today. To quote Councilman Kent on 6/16 2024, they need to clean up when zoning allows so we don't allow nonsense like that to ever pop up in an area next to roads and recreation we have to take the lead as the bless you -- County Council to fix this problem. As we move forward County staffing counsel and residents work together or not against each other for the good of Voluisa County. We need to work together to make correct decisions for Voluisa County as it grows. To protect neighborhoods from flooding and wildlife, water supply, fragile waterways, environment and land and way of life. I urge counsel to step back and examine what is occurring and will occur in Volusia County regarding growth. Seven men, you the counselor making the decisions that affect the lives of over 600,000 residents and future residents and generations of Voluisa County. I ask you the Council, make your choices and decisions in the future based on what is beneficial and what is right for all Voluisa County residents that they are not based on beneficial to the builders and the wealthy. I ask you this question, all of you sitting up there on the Council, you relieve your legacy Mark here in Volusia County what you want that legacy to be? Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: David Smith followed by Jean Bailey. SPEAKER: I'm Dave Smith, Ormand lakes Ormond Beach. Good news, state government provided funds for us on the governor has approved it for us to move this fuel depot and transfer Station somewhere else. Behind Ms (unknown name), I am completely on what she said. I would like to know, what the County Council is going to do to find an appropriate alternative site for this. If we have some way to dedicate... I would like to know who it is. We have the funds now, please say inappropriate location, thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Jean Bailey? Followed by Stephanie Stone. SPEAKER: My name is Jean Bailey and I'm here today because my son died of drug overdose in Daytona Beach at Dalton Park on a one a and aura. Since then, I have went out and purchased vending machines to repurpose them and to free Narcan vending machines. I was here at the Council meeting on February 2 and I brought this to the attention and it hasn't moved anyplace. To them here to request that you put it on your agenda for about and you vote yes for these free Narcan vending machines to be placed in Voluisa County. Where my son died on the corner of a 1A Andorra I would like to have one. I did go ahead and put one up and I was asked within 24 hours to take it down. In that 24 hours, 10 of the 12 boxes were taken. I own the machines, Volusia recovery alliances furnishing the Narcan vending machines and I maintain them machines, I fill the machines, it is my responsibility to do that. I am retired and I will be doing that. I have one machine already set up, at the store and March (unknown name) location at Ridge Avenue and I have Monique here who will tell you how it's working for them. How many they have dispensed, how many lives they have been able to save because of these Narcan free Narcan vending machines. They are available 7 x 24 hours a day that way the people can go get them when they need them. I know first responders have them but no one will go ask for one, it causes a stigma to them and they may be afraid they will be arrested for asking for it. That's the need for these machines around Volusia County. The most neat area is there at (unknown name) Marchman at Aura A1A and the bus Station in DeLand. I was approached by Nicole at the bridge homeless shelter this last week and I told her I was coming here to do this and she said – can I give you a suggestion? You need to put a machine over there, was there three times this week Narcaning people. By the time someone runs and tells me they needed I run there and give it to them it can be too late. That is the reason for the machines. Being supported by the community, Rick Small engine repair, he modified machines for me. I have Jacobs fabricating, have retired vet Eddie Santiago, that are all helping me out of the goodness of their heart to repurpose these machines. I have… Action… I have action signs that are giving me discounts on the stickers. So please put this on your agenda and vote yes. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you very much. (Applause) JEFFREY S BROWER: Stephanie capstone? SPEAKER: Hello counsel my name is Stephanie Stone and I'm here to support Jean Bailey and her request to install three Narcan machines as well as anywhere else they may be needed in Voluisa County I'm a young adult mother of teenagers and I support the free Narcan vending machines beachside and elsewhere. The location Ms Bailey is asking you to prove is a very heavily trafficked area as she spoke before, you know there's been overdoses and a need for this life-saving medication. It's the difference between life and death it's an imperative issue we would like for you to put on the agenda and vote yes on. My children were at the beach this summer, or if they touch something, with drugs on it in the public bathrooms, or the elevator buttons, I would want them to be able to have easy, and readily available access to this life-saving medication. By the time police or first responders get there – it is usually too late. I'm here to support the steward Marshman and Ms. Bailey and – to get the free Narcan available. Like she said, she's got the fabricator, she got people that are making these vending machines. She just needs the approval for the locations. This is something that could be your kids, your grandkids, this could be your loved ones that are in need of this life-saving medication. I am here, as a resident of Volusia County to implore you all to please improve and support Ms. Bailey in this very needed an effective harm reduction tool. Please put this on your agenda, both yes. Honor and support my friend as well as Bradley Bailey who passed away this past September by allowing the machine in Daytona Beach. Thank you so much. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. (Applause) JEFFREY S BROWER: You will be followed by Jeff Wehmeier. SPEAKER: Hello, I am Mindy Kate, I am here to support the Narcan vending machines. Having grown up around here, my whole life, and being around Daytona beach for several years, I see where the homeless people in and the drugs and everything, there is definitely because these people are dying. I had a brother, and knowing what she's going through, we need to do something so when these people do overdose or give them this is a life saving opportunity for everyone and we have the people willing to do it and willing to help and it is no cost to the county. Give them the permission, put it to a vote. Let us do this. Save a few lives. Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. Jeff Wehmeier and you will be followed by Larry Wesley. SPEAKER: I am Jeff Wehmeier, I live in Deland, I am advocating for our small steps Academy preschool in Florida. I sit on the school board in that particular institution. What were asking the council to consider is establish a school zone near the entrance to our preschool. At 1715 Taylor Road. Traffic continues to increase on that particular stretch of highway and every day, we have 92 to 100 youngsters who are entering and exiting our preschool at that address. If we can establish a school zone there, we are hoping it can increase the awareness of the drivers work coming and going on Taylor road to be more aware and to think of little bit about slowing down. Perhaps, with that relatively small investment, we can avoid a tragedy. And that is what we are hoping for, as you factor in the consideration is whether or not to approve this particular request. Historically, we already had one accident there and the person who is injured has permanent injury unfortunately. We hope that we can avoid any more injuries, and more accidents, most of the youngsters there or anywhere from the age of one until 4, that is preschool. Another accident there would be a tragedy. If we can reduce the likelihood by reminding drivers, picante, there is a school year. Slowdown." I think a lot of the drivers coming through there, they take the established speed limit is a suggestion. To enhance the risk even more so, there is a curve, not too far from the entrance so if they are coming around that curve on Taylor Road. That simply reduces the likelihood that the person pulling out will see them if they are coming at a higher speed. Again, we have enhanced risks under those circumstances. So please, consider establishing a school zone there around the entrance of 1715 Taylor Road. Small Steps Preschool Academy. Thank you for your consideration gentlemen. And ladies as well. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you very much. Larry Wesley? LARRY WESLEY: Hello members, my name is Larry Wesley, I live in (unknown name) Florida. Many of you might be asking why am I involved in getting some lights for our preschool in portal or. I'm a member of the church there and also, kind of a Mr. fix-it for the preschool, setting up playground equipment and everything like that. Some of these kids, they see all my gray hair and they say, "Hey grandpa!" I love these kids. I would hate to see anyone of them get hurt. The funny thing is, Emily is our director, she is here about 2 weeks ago on the 21st and then we have the tragic accident in Port Lawrence at the Sugar Mill elementary school. That was on the 24th, that was, you know, 4 days after we spoke here about school safety and our need for small steps accounting. The death of a young child like that is absolutely the worst thing that could happen, the families devastated. So, basically, here to plead for this county, get this on the agenda. Maybe we can get a unanimous vote here. To get something done and get on PennDOT, all 70 guys are behind. I'm going to go to the lobby to get some kind of school safety law. And maybe you can get a jump on Chase, I doubt it, he's pretty fast. Anyway, I was reassured earlier that Jay Williams is going to come down and talk with us and see what he can do a check out the situation. You know, the 15 feet skidmarks and everything from rear end collisions, anyway, I would love to see this be on the agenda in the next meeting. And get this project completed. Right now, there in a summer school camp or whatever they call it. But it would be nice to have this done before the school year next year when not just 90 kids but we have 2 staff members almost in every classroom. There is a staff of almost 50 people that are making that same turn everyday while people are going 55 or 60 mph try to get to work. Hitting I-95. With your consideration, it would be appreciated. Maybe we can save a life of a child and that's what it's all about. I don't want to see another tragedy. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. Patricia Fransome? And you will be followed by Suzanne Schrieber. SPEAKER: Good afternoon. My name is Patricia Fransome (?) And homeowner of Bear Creek Village, quarter of a mile from Italy for whole road. Governor DeSantis has allocated $10 million in the upcoming state budget to potentially relocate the field terminal proposed for 874 Hall Road in Ormond Beach. Thank you Governor DeSantis for recognizing the fact that this supposed site is not appropriate. Thank you to all of the citizens of Volusia County who sent emails and made phone calls to the governor. Our voices were heard. Thank you to all who have attended County Counsel in Ormond Beach commission meetings, thank you to all who of spoken appeasement is, thank you to all homeowners in Volusia County who express opposition. Is special thank you to my community of Bear Creek, you continue to fight the good fight, your hard work is appreciated. I am more than happy that there is a very strong possibility of Belvedere fuel terminal not being built in Ormond Beach. However, I asked all who will be involved with the negotiations that you please take a thorough look at any proposed properties, a fuel terminal does not belong close to homes, playgrounds, or small businesses. It belongs as far away as possible from people. I hope that you will do your best to help other communities. During the April County Council meeting, I presented to you 4400 letters and sign petitions opposing the fuel terminal. Today, I present to you for public record, 22 letters and minute meetings – the letters are from homeowners residing in Ormond Beach, including many from Bear Creek village, Ormond Beach citizen led committees, letters and minutes include leisure services advisory board, budget advisory board, Ormond Beach planning board, and the Ormond Beach city commission. As we move forward, I hope that all Volusia County employees have learned from the many mistakes that we made 2 years ago when Belvedere first approached the county. I hope the new and improved procedures have been put in place so that something like this does not happen again. If Belvedere does relocate to a more appropriate site, what happens to the landing at 874 Hall Road? Is it possible for the County to make a trade or by the land? How come that County keep that away from the community? When will you change the zoning? Remove heavy industrial, thank you for your time. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. Suzanne followed by John Mickelson. SPEAKER: Hello, Suzanne Scheiber, Ormond Beach. Thank you to Councilman Kent and for steadfastly opposing the fuel terminal. Also, Commissioner Lori Tullen (?) For the follow-through helping obtain the letters from the citizen led board in Ormond Beach. The $10 million question is what now? The governor showed us all that he agreed with the residence that the location is inappropriate because the open ended industrial zoning was not dealt with, now we face an option of providing a Mexican Congress agreement 10 million in justifying it. Please tell us who wants the fuel terminal? It was stated that someone wanted it. Where are they? Only 3 spoke in favor of it and over 400 showed up to oppose it. The zoning could have been change for that unacceptable location, the list of opposition letters and signatures is long from those who agree that whole road is the wrong place. Furthermore, Clay Irving, director of research management is on public record calling the industrial zoning very open ended. County attorney, Paolo Soria called open ended as well. March 22, 2nd round of questions were submitted by email to land development manager Amy Michaels. We never heard back. Attorney told us to submit questions to Ms. Michaels, we might receive the answers. One of the questions submitted was what are the state and federal agencies that will be involved in the evaluation process or provide any information or input into the consideration of whether this fuel farm will be allowed to go forward. Would you not which 30 million gallons of fuel storage on anyone? Thank you to the Ormond Beach residence for standing up for our quality of life, public health, public safety, environment of contest, property rights, flooding issues, and each other. While at times, and during being called nimby's as he stood here. Councilman is right, the Council must fix this problem. Thank you for your time. (Applause) JEFFREY S BROWER: John Nicholson? Followed by Michelle. SPEAKER: John Nicholson, Daytona Beach side. Last meeting, a visit from Daytona Beach police chief. One of our commissioners told me, pick a side and stick with it. I do not see aside. I do not see a side of Danny versus Jakari. Name). I was very proud that they can. People don't realize that I opposed him as our police chief because I thought it would be too quiet and too shy after that. All of you know he loves cameras. I don't think they could do it. He absolutely could and we are very lucky to have him. We may not like it but Danny was looking at the beach 10 years ago he retired 10 years ago a lot of stuff is changed. If you remember in front of the County building on Beach Street, the homeless created an encampment there was terrible. I counted 92 homeless people sleeping on the boardwalk under the bench as 150 Breakers Park. We almost had a convention leave because of it. We had a problem. We had a problem of prostitution, if it wasn't for the internet we still would. But now the girls are not there on Main Street… And we lost events. People forget spring break. It's no longer there. BCR no longer there, turkey (indiscernible) run out West, NASCAR we step drivers at all the hotels, no longer. These things that Danny brought up are true. The biggest problem people don't realize is the CRA was created in 82. 10 years earlier then taking cars off the beach. Why is the CRA created? Because it was a blighted area. Why was it blighted? 10 years before cars came off the beach? People forget a company called Disney. When down the road in 1970, Disney caters to families. Daytona Beach caters to families and it's obvious which way the families went it went to Disney. We lost that. In the 70s integration. When they integrated, they chose this core area, the CRA area to send it to the city's worst schools. People with money are not gonna send their kids to D or F school. They moved to Ormond. Those big houses they had broken up into many smaller houses. We never recovered, there are other reasons than driving on the beach and Danny brought that forward. We have to look at things holistically. There are problems in Daytona Beach and the city is now just getting to the point after 20 years of taking care of it. Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Michelle (unknown name) followed by Jerry (unknown name). SPEAKER: Good afternoon to all of you it's nice to see you again. I want to thank you for letting me speak and taking up your time right now. I Michelle, Pfizer vaccine injured. A lot of people will not let you know that we exist. But we do. A lot of us were coerced and manipulated whether it was in hospitals, military what have you but some of us ended up with autoimmune issues such as (unknown name), chronic ailments that I have for the rest of my life. I have my micro plotting, (indiscernible), vascular disease and other things, heart palpitations, tinnitus… We have a law that we are trying to pass that I spoke to Corrie Mills this morning… It's Cody's law. It will help expedite our disabilities when we put in our claims through Social Security. Also Medicaid, which we really deserve Medicare, the compassionate program that the oncologist patients have that have cancer, can apply for this and we would expedite our disabilities and also medical insurance. We should not have to decide, am I going to pay my rent or my medications? In case any of you don't know, my medications alone cost $50,000 a month. I was terminated from Advent hospital, I no longer have insurance, my county, my city, my government did not help me. One single bit. I'm used as a political prop and that's it. I ended up finding a pharmaceutical company after I got the prescription and I got a grant which is like $140,000 because the medications I'm on now commits $10,000 a month and I don't go to the infusion centers anymore for six hours, I do it at home and it's three hours a week that I administer myself and I have to adjust in different places to do that. You understand how I lived my last three years? The importance of this Cody law is important to all the vaccine injured and bereaved. Even Eliquis is $500 a month with insurance and that doesn't include the rest of my medications I have no rent, last time I was here, you said I could have assistance from the county while the county, you can only call on Monday, they are open at 8 o'clock in the close by nine. Is it possible to get through. Any of you going to help me move when I lose everything I have because I'm putting it into my own health because my own government – city, everyone does not care about me? I do matter and exist and I will be out there and remind you over and over again, and I'm not trying to be mean or disrespectful and there's many people suffering that need your help. We need your help. And I thank you for letting me speak to you guys. (Applause) JEFFREY S BROWER: Jeremy? SPEAKER: Hello, Jeremy carried Jean as President of Volusia County ferry inverters local 357 form here to speak in goodwill. I found myself at a convention last week in Daytona all the union leaders and fire fighters that represent… We talked about staffing to safety County Manager, Fire Chief and her counsel. I found myself in the position where I had a lot of positive things today and I say about you guys and I want to share that sentiment to you guys. It's an exciting time for me I'm a 19 year County employee. I've seen the ebbs and flows of staffing and we are doing things with two guys on a truck working quite a bit and the manager and Fire Chief and union in this Council and we got it about to three on the truck and it's making an impact. We are getting to the scene quicker and able to help those in need. We have dual paramedics on the trucks now. And I just wanted you guys to know that. We are helping with the shortfalls of EMS. There's no ambulances, my guys are there to ride in. It's not an optimal level of service but it's helped and every time you guys vote yes on a staffing or you keep our budget the same we are passing that on to the citizens and you're passing it on to my guys to make sure they go home at the end of the night. So I just wanted to say thank you about that. I want you to know, you have the best fire department in this county. And again, every time you approve that by your Station like we will see on this budget, that staffing alerting the system we are getting out the door faster getting community better, my guys are going home. I'm excited about this five-year forecast, hope we can continue to stay with the budget as it is proposed. I hope we can grow and extend that level of service that the ambulance and (indiscernible) of the county in South Beach and North Peninsula and (indiscernible). I'll want to say thank you you guys are doing a good job for fire rescue and have a good night. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. Virginia Agrussa (?) and you will be followed by Christine Anderson. SPEAKER: Hi I live in Bear Creek Ormond Beach and we are still here. And we do not want the fuel terminal, you know it's not safe and we live quarter of a mile from it. Please relocate to the appropriate location, none of you would want to live next to this. You wouldn't want your families to live next to this. We now have a chance to relocate with the $10 million grant. Please help us. I went to many of these meetings, before and really thought that most of you supported us until the last meeting when everyone voted against the moratorium and I realized most of you don't. Because you don't live near the fuel – where the fuel terminal will be built. But you wouldn't want your families to live there either. Please, if you decide not to help us, then give the $10 million to us because we can't sell our homes. We have over 60 homes for sale, and I've been there only for eight years, and we used to have three or four homes for sale and everyone that comes says, "oh is the fuel terminal still gonna be there?" So we can't sell them, please support us and relocate it. Thank you. (Applause) JEFFREY S BROWER: Christine you will be followed by Brenda Barlow. SPEAKER: Good evening my name is Christine Anderson and I live in Port Orange in the West part. Subdivision. I'm basically here to reiterate what Liz, our first speaker said about the motocross park. You have heard the thousands of reasons why this is an inappropriate park anywhere. In Volusia County. But certainly, adjacent to our area on the west side near Tomoka Farms Road. I'm actually here to ask you to not fund something rather than to fund something. Please on behalf of all of the subdivisions that are along town West Boulevard and bump in to including mine, bump into Tomoka Farms Road, I'm asking you to have nothing to do with this Motocross Park. I'm asking you to not fund any further environmental impact studies, any kind of other expenditures on studies. Volusia County has no business being in the commercial recreation area. That services a quite minute fraction of people. This is nothing more than a vanity project. And we are in total and complete opposition to it. Please, do not spend another of my hard earned tax dollars on this project. JEFFREY S BROWER: Brenda Bartlow you will be followed by Sheila Lind. SPEAKER: Good afternoon. My name is Brenda Barlow and I'm from Ormond Beach. Over the last 10 months many of the people of Volusia County and Ormond Beach have shared with you our fears and concerns regarding the Belvedere fuel facility proposed for 874 Hall Road. We presented to this body all the reasons for we are opposing the facility and what is now a densely populated residential area. From groundwater contamination to a 24/7 operation putting 162 tanker trucks a day on our roads, we have made a voices heard and our message has been clear. This proposed facility is not wanted in Ormond Beach and it has no business being built in an area where we work, live and raise families. Over these months we have asked for your help in stopping this project from being built in our beach community and to date we have received a resounding no on every option brought forward to this body. But as you can see we are not a group that accepts no without a fight. So here we are today because Governor DeSantis has given us one more avenue to stop this insanity from coming into our neighborhood. And to once again I implore you to use your positions along with the $10 million that the state has set aside to convince Belvedere that Ormond Beach is the wrong place for their project. I will close with the following. If you have any doubt as to whether or not this fuel farm is a project fit for a residential community, I would urge you to look up the video of the fire at the new star facility, Crockett California which occurred in 2019. And then think back on the destruction and devastation visited on East Palestine Ohio in 2023. And read up on the current lawsuits filed against our government and the U.S. Navy over the groundwater contamination from the Red Hill fuel farm facility in the Pearl Harbor area of Hawaii. And then I would ask you, is this really the future you want for Ormond Beach? Thank you. (Applause) JEFFREY S BROWER: Sheila Lind followed by Monique Evelyn. SPEAKER: Good evening. I gave up happy hour with pool one with pickle bollards to come here speak to you tonight. So here I am. Last year, you all passed a record high 28 amendments to Volusia County's quote of or ordinance -- amendments to permit, amendments to location requirements, amendments to definition. I am here today to ask you to pass one more. Please amend chapter 72 land planning article 2, zoning division 7 section 72 – 241, I2 to remove these words and I quote, "Any industrial use or structure provided it meets the minimum environmental standards of section 72, 288 and is not a permitted special exception in this classification." In addition, I am asking that you amend this permitted special exceptions to add petroleum storage tanks or bulk fuel storage with additional regulations and requirements to restrict location, facility size, operating hours, etc. Keep these in trust CL uses out of residential areas. Amended the code because that's what the photos are back in. During the many hours I spent reading code organize for the surrounding counties to see if they would or would not permit bulk fuel storage, one thing was clear, no other county has code to poorly worded to include the words, "Any industrial use" in their code. It is truly reckless to have it in hours. Amend the code, remove the word any. Thank you. (Applause) JEFFREY S BROWER: Monique you are our last speaker. SPEAKER: Good afternoon. Many is Monique Evelyn and I am the senior director of outpatient services. Narcan vending machine that was donated to SMA healthcare by Ms. Jean Bailey on April 3 is currently housed at our South Ridgewood Avenue location. Right to the end of our breezeway which allows for access to our clients 24 7. We have reached more people than we usually do, when offering Narcan, in person or in office due to the stigma that still surrounds substance use and harm reduction strategies. As of June 18 today, there were 81 boxes that were dispensed from that Narcan vending machine. This is the 3rd highest number of Narcan distributions in comparison to the outpatient programs that we serve here in Volusia and 5 other countries. This happened within the 2.5 month timeframe. At that narcan vending machines I, also instructions on how to use or administer and also with local resources to help such as the Volusia recovering eyeliners. Helping this meant that the machine has helped, it is evident by the increase in distributions, high number of interactions via social media postings and other agencies and behavioral health professionals reaching out to us about questions as how they can cite this initiative. Market continues to be a great benefit and resource not only because it is free versus paying $50 at the pharmacy but serves as a harm reduction method to people that we serve as well as others they may know who ours strongly with opiate use disorder. You support will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. (Applause) JEFFREY S BROWER: And that concludes public participation for this part of our meeting. You will have another opportunity on items and then at the end of the meeting. First item, item 1 is approval of the agenda. Do I have a motion to approve the agenda? JAKE JOHANSSON: Motion to approve. JEFFREY S BROWER: All in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries 7 – 0. Which brings us to item number 2, consent agenda. Does any Council Member have an item they want to pull for a comment or a vote? MATT REINHART: Motion to approve. JEFFREY S BROWER: Motion to approve by vice chair Kent. And seconded by Reinhart. And one brief comment after the vote. KARISSA GREEN: You also have a public participation slip, I believe item M. JEFFREY S BROWER: We do. Why don't I call Connie Colby, you can come and speak to us before we actually have the vote. CONNIE COLBY: That would be my bedtime before we get to M. Item M is about Halifax building at the corner of Ormond Beach and Williamson. I just wanted to speak, mostly it is about the road. And some proportionate share money for the road to the – I think it is $270,000. We get some money back when they want to do the building. We should not do this without notes. What I am concerned about, this particular location where they want to do this, is what I go by probably 5 times a week. The Avenue is just one lane in each direction at that location. And same in front of the hospital which is right across the street from where this is going to go to. I'm wondering if at some point, maybe halt doing anything more at that location because the road in front of the hospital and the road where they want to put in front of this ER location are kind of narrow and have emergency vehicles that need to go by there. According to the TIA shows that in all of those roads in the area are deficient, size wise and they have built so many apartments along there. 300 – 600 apartments along Williamson across from the hospital and the hospital building is expanding as well. They just opened a new building there now plus going higher on to other towers. There going to have a lot of traffic that are not meant for those – for that size at this point. I would urge so that they have 2 lanes in front of the hospital, especially or doing anything there now. Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you very much for your comments. I will just quickly mentioned before we vote on item D, it mentions the Juneteenth date celebration which is today and that was going to be up proclamation read from the Council, that is obviously not going to happen because we are all here. But we do have a representative who will read that proclamation at the dinner tonight. So, the consent agenda, motion is to has is written. Does anyone have any comments? Or questions? All in favor of passing the consent agenda? Any opposed? The motion carries 6 – zero. With one member out of the room. To get his vote when he comes back. That brings us to item number 3, presentation from the PACE Center for Girl for support of a new building. SPEAKER: At the April meeting, you voted to have staff bring back an agenda item written blanketing the request for support for the new building. Legislative operations, working towards some private donations and fundraising as well. They got a presentation from you from the president, Sheila, who is Executive Director and 2 girls who have benefited – one benefited and one is currently benefiting from the program and the social services arena, we like programs that are proactive instead of reactive. This is a proactive program that identifying individuals may need some extra help in getting them on the right path. Without, I will turn it over to (unknown name) to give the presentation and were going to forgo the video, it was in the PowerPoint presentation for you and allow the girls to speak but I am here to answer any questions with the PACE Center as well. SPEAKER: Thank you. Good afternoon. Perfect. It is so much. We do have a PowerPoint presentation but we will skip through some of the slides for the sake of time. Members of the Volusia County Council, thank you so much for taking time today to hear from PACE Center for Girls. I am the vice president of PACE Center for Girls. Joint by leaders in the community, Miriam which is our board, one of our trustees, we also have Kelly who is the cochair of the PACE capital committee. We have Tom who is the President of the Daytona State College, huge partner of PACE, Debbie cotton, Chamber of Commerce, Barb, formal County Counsel here in Volusia County and Peggy Farmer who is the former chamber president. Those committee leaders are here if you want to spend, please do so, they are here to support our endeavors and what we are going to share today. Thank you. I'm accompanied by Sheila Jordan, Executive Director here at our local Volusia Center, we have 2 young ladies who is going to share in just a moment. As leaders, we understand the importance of a strong community, strong support system, that specifically helps development of our girls. And those that may be facing trying times. I am an avid believer that every child that does something bad does not mean they are a bad child or bad youth, but if we take a moment and did a little bit deeper, we may realize that something bad is happening to them. It is important that we are addressing this critical issue today because it's not just an issue facing Volusia County but our country as a whole, the CDC released a statement and released a report that showed there is a significant mental health crisis among girls when surveyed, that was about 70% versus 20% for boys and how girls are affected with certain trauma and certain risk factors that they face when they are in their youth. At PACE we understand the reason and purpose matters, this is our philosophy and mission, and how do we approach serving our girls whose facing traumatic experiences. We notice that when those things happen, a lot of times there may be a low academic scores and so we look at how do we help them academically, how do we prepare them for career in college and how do we provide mental health support and life skills training so they not only receive what they need while they are here, but when they transition out of it, they can become citizens that give back to the community and not take from the community. We have seen the impacts, we have been around for 40 years next year. We have 21 centers throughout the state and every year, we affect and help and support 3000 girls. Since our founding, we have supported 40,000 that have showed significant change in the work in their life. At 21 centers, we also have programs in Georgia and South Carolina. When we look specifically at PACE Volusia, demographically the girls we serve are about 85% girls who are Hispanic, 25% who are white and about 10% who are Students. When we look at the grade level, we serve about 60% who are high school students and 40% who are middle school students. Something significant to look at is the girls that we serve was surveyed each year, we noticed that the annual income for our girls, we have 52.81% that are below $20,000 per year in income. All of our girls, 100% are free and reduced lunch, these are risk factors. We see our girls each year when they are facing risk factors, it affects their day-to-day, risk factors good at affect your grade, how you think and your mental well-being. What is risk factors? Those are things that are pre-existing. That is beyond the control of our girls, like the family dynamics. Like economic status. I am very passionate about this topic and the reason I am with this is because my own story of facing risk factors, growing up in poverty and again things beyond my control at 14 years old, losing my mother unexpectedly and at 16 years old losing my father. If my teachers would pause to understand why my grades went from honorable to C and D, they would realize they would issues be in my control. Here, all of our staff are trauma info, one when Daisy is declining great, they see declining self-esteem or self-efficacy, they understand how to approach the situation and provide the wraparound service that's needed on a day-to-day program. That is why that is needed here. How do we intervene early enough to change the trajectory of our goals? Shelia will talk about her role on the day-to-day and the girls whose benefit from the day-to-day programs. SPEAKER: I'm Shelia Jordan and excited to be here with you and I serve as executive deck rector for Payson Flagler. We have taken middle and high school girls from their middle and high school environment and brought them to the center to serve as a respite and rejuvenation in re-skilling center and all the words we know about. Buzzwords but we bring those girls to the center for a year to three years give them skills, support, counseling, smaller classrooms and return them to their school or to graduation and then onto jobs with better abilities to cope with life's challenges. Make a decision so they don't have more challenges, also be better prepared for work, or college, many of our girls recently are going on to college with really clear plans based on partnerships with Daytona State and other local community colleges. They are getting scholarships, these are girls who were not anticipated to graduate. They themselves didn't believe they would graduate. Their families had situations that were again outside the girls control. But for 30 years almost we have worked with nonprofit organizations and corporations to return our girls back to the schools – to their schools, better equipped to deal with life. We also engage them in monthly community service so they are not just receiving from us by giving back to their communities on a monthly basis. Today we have two girls here and we will ask them to share about their stories. The first is (unknown name) she's a current student and then you will hear from Jessica who was in one of our first classes nearly 30 years ago. SPEAKER: Good afternoon I'm (unknown name) and I'm 15 years old. My time here at Pace benefited me by helping create bonds of the girls and achieve my goals. I've been at Pace for eight months due to the opportunities that they provided me I've been able to grow academically by building relationships and self-esteem. I would not have made it to this point without Pace at my side. (Applause) SPEAKER: Hello counsel my name is Jessica (unknown name), attended pace from 1998 to 2000. I was able to transfer to Atlantic high school where originally started where I was not doing too great, they accepted me back and I was able to walk with my class which was amazing perk of going to Pace. I was getting into trouble, skipping school and got arrested a few times, my mom didn't know what to do with me she tried to put me in therapy it didn't work. But when I attended Pace you have a social worker, therapist, counselor and there's no way I would've graduated without Pace. I was able to move to Tampa afterwards and go to college, I graduated with my business management degree and I've been managing restaurants ever since and I recently moved home to Daytona Beach. Since I've been back my little cousin Stella just graduated high school from Pace, she is already accepted at Daytona State for nursing program. She also would not of graduated without this. This program is one of the best I've ever come across for young girls who are in need and there's a lot of them here. So thank you very much, think about funding Pace. I appreciate it. (Applause) SPEAKER: You have heard first hand from the girls and that's why we did not show the video we thought it would be more effective to have them here to speak for themselves. But our data shows that at Pace we have as we look at our numbers there's the emotional piece but there is also the proven data because we are proven research model that is effective. Seven and 10 girls that enter pay specifically pace Volusia County our failing school prior to attending. Two in three demonstrate behaviors that correlate to juvenile delinquency. And nine in 10 were disengaged in school and community life. When you look out once a girl finishes Pace Volusia, we have two in three that approve academically, 10 intentional no involvement in delinquency after they leave PACE 9 in 10 are enrolled in school, higher education or career path as you heard from alumni today. So the question then is, why are we here? We are currently, our PACE Volusia center is in a building that's over 100 years old. We are grateful to be in the building as long as we have but it is not conducive to where we want to take our girls even from a technology perspective. We can't upgrade the technology for what our girls need. It does not have the space because currently on any given time we have about 20 girls who want to enter Pace and we don't have the capacity or space. So we have had the opportunity to break ground on a new facility. In order to begin to build and work towards how do we get our girls into a space that is conducive to their success and their safety? So far we have been able to work with the state to secure funding and we work with Volusia school district to secure funding, the entire project is going to cost about $6.2 million, none of which will go toward salary, programming, but 100% will go to safer girls to thrive, survive and be able to take in more girls than we have right now. In Volusia County there's more girls that need the work and the mental counseling and services we provide. So today, we are asking Volusia County Council to help us in this effort to bring a safe facility to our girls that needed the most and we ask that in the amount of $2.5 million. That will help us get into a space that will be safe for our girls while still simultaneously fundraising and looking to close that gap. I will ask now, for Kelle Parson (unknown name) to join us, she's the cochair of our capitol campaign committee and they have been very effective in making sure we are raising the money that is needed. SPEAKER: Hello Kelle Parsons… On the cochair wrong with Terri White and other community members. We are excited about the project and the girls we can serve. What I want to say thank you and we are grateful for your consideration today. I get to stand here before you and am able to get back because of so many people in my life that took a chance and supported me along the way. That's what we are trying to do here for these girls. We believe everyone has an opportunity to overcome adversity and achieve their dreams and we thank you for your consideration. SPEAKER: Thank you. And in closing I just want to share our commitment to this project is strong. We stand behind it, we are compassionate behind it because we see the results and we know the need. We are shovel ready and eager to bring this dream to fruition. So far thanks to our committee, thanks to our team members, we have been able to raise 2.9 million from the state of Florida and secure a little over $300,000 in in-kind costs from the Volusia County district and private sector. Support as well. However we still face a significant gap and we need your help in order to close this gap and continue to provide a safe space for our girls. We have one more that wants to share, Mr (unknown name)? SPEAKER: Thank you counsel for considering this proposal and I just want to say I went to turn state for 23 years in my early years prior to my current role as President I personally visited Pace to talk to young ladies about going to college. So I can tell you firsthand that Pace works. We have students that come to us and have done amazing things. Most recently we opened our first residence hall and we have been able to offer housing. To some of our local students. So it's an investment that I feel is coming right back to the community. And again, thank you for your consideration. SPEAKER: Thank you for your time. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you very much, we have several councilman that want to speak. Before we start, I'm going to ask if any of the names up here have questions first for staff or… Vice Chair Troy Kent. TROY KENT: Thank you chairman. I have a few questions. How much money did the state put in... SPEAKER: 2.29 and then the additional came from the private sector fundraising. TROY KENT: How much money did Volusia County schools put in? SPEAKER: Volusia County schools agreed to in kind approximately averaged about $300,000, security fences for the girls, security cameras and they also agreed to provide upkeep of the landscape from duration from the time the school opens. They've been a significant partner. TROY KENT: Significant, interesting. They have a budget larger than ours and there to give $250-$300,000 in-kind. I just want to put that on public record. Why am I not surprised? Doctor Burbaugh, it looks like we will be taking, if we do this, $2 million from stormwater runoff system for the landfill's new cell? What does that do to the landfill project? If we take $2 million out of there? And $500,000 from CDBG? BRAD BURBAUGH: I can speak to the CDBG, this is a qualifying project under the (indiscernible) projects are. The $500,000 we are proposing to use his savings from other projects and program income so it will not affect projects into the future these are dollars that we have retained in the program because of cost savings we realized our income that we realized from our projects. I will let the CF speak to the landfill. SPEAKER: Councilmember Kent, counsel, (unknown name) Chief Financial Officer, you – the $2 million from the landfill are related to the landfill project, if that funding was not provided to the landfill it would obviously become – the cost of the system would be funded by landfill fund reserves. Our potentially impact future borrowing needs of the landfill. But what I would say is, the amount that was originally allocated to the landfill was $7 million. So all the additional funds are already helping reduce the contribution that the landfill will have to make, this would just be $2 million more of protection the landfill fund would have to come up with. TROY KENT: This project will be in the city limits of Ormond Beach? And has the city of Ormond have they spoken on if they are going to participate and if so what dollar amount? SPEAKER: The first question, the future center will be in Ormond Beach Florida and we are in negotiations on how the city will help and support. TROY KENT: And then, I'm glad you brought up your Chair for capitol fundraising. But I just need to know, where does Pace get your money for capitol projects and then, what is the plan for renewal and replacement? Because that's a huge thing, air conditions go down and they are not $5000 anymore for a building like that, you are talking real money. And security systems go down fences have to be replaced… What is the plan for Pace to be financially solvent and not coming back to government bodies, taxpayers and saying we need more money for this and this…? SPEAKER: Great question. To answer your first question, where do we receive money? Private-sector dollars. We also work with public dollars as well both state/local and then we look at grants. How do we sustain this? We have worked with now six of our capitol projects. So we have a good number as to what it would take to operate and maintain the building. So each year we sit with our centers and there is an operating line item that we have to fund raise for year after year or work with the foundations that can underwrite what we need on a continual basis. These are things we do take into account. We also look at the cost savings and how much it is for most of our centers to maintain a lease we don't own versus property that we do own. TROY KENT: Right. Say that last part again about the lease compared to a property you do own? SPEAKER: Most, unlike Volusia because our practice is to make sure there's cost savings on expenses for our center so most we look at what is the cost savings for the lease? Resolution is different it's a dollar for the lease however we have to commit to $25,000 to renovations and update. But that has many times superseded the $5000 just this past hurricane Ian, destroyed a lot of the property, the roof we had to displace our girls for eight months to continue to provide service because the building is not at a space that we can continue to use it safely. (?) TROY KENT: I have, zero but I am done with questions. JEFFREY S BROWER: Councilman Santiago for questions? DAVID SANTIAGO: Thank you Mr. Chairman. I am a fan of all the work that you do. I want you to fill a few holes for me, that would be helpful to me. You mentioned the shovel ready. Can you expand on that? SPEAKER: Sure. We, with the support of national organization, have secured on a piece of land, that has been closed in a month or so. It is ready to begin with the work, to build whatever center or facilities were going to build on it. 60 to 90 days. DAVID SANTIAGO: You said something about the national something too SPEAKER: We are part of a national network of 21 centers here in Florida, with the support of that organization. DAVID SANTIAGO: They are buying the land? OK. On the cost to build the building, it is $6.2 million. How fresh is that estimate? SPEAKER: That's very recent, because the estimation, the picture is a prototype of the center, we have several capital projects and before it was a different number but now, we have analyzed and look at budget in the current economy. This is pretty accurate as 6.2 million. DAVID SANTIAGO: Perfect, sometimes it is the old numbers. What is your timeline? Provided you get the funding? SPEAKER: Provided we get the funding, this project would take one – 2 years given the time that we already spent. We have already spent about 6 months in preparing and finding the space so I would say another 1.5 years. DAVID SANTIAGO: OK. By my calculation – based on the price of the building, and what you mentioned you have read so far, it shows you're still going to be $0.8 million short. What is your plan for that? SPEAKER: That plan is currently in operations. Thanks to our committee, we are currently working again with private-sector donors. We also have some other opportunity for grant funding as well that were currently applying for. DAVID SANTIAGO: One moment Mr. chair. Provided this building is built, and the county, the site is supported, who would be the owner of the building? SPEAKER: Great question. The owner will be PACE Center for Girls organization which is a nonprofit organization. We are a subcontractor to the school district. Because we are a 501 C3, if anything ever happened to the organization, we will have to provide the building for another nonprofit. There is no personal owner, it is owned by the nonprofit organization. DAVID SANTIAGO: Uhm.. The summa questions. Thank you. SPEAKER: Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you, Councilman Johansson for questions. JAKE JOHANSSON: Thank you chairman, I'm always looking on return of investment or cost avoidance. So, I will ask, since she's here. I think you for coming. -- Thank you I'm wondering how many people PACE has saved? So here you are, what do you imagine your life would have been? SPEAKER: I don't think I would have graduated from high school, I definitely would not have moved away. I had a lot of my friends that did do well in school and I was able to read transition with them. I had great grades by the time I graduated, I graduated on top of my class, I graduated early. I was able to do will enroll in college. You see that at the time, I was at their graduation 2 weeks ago. The girls are so thankful. They think their families for a moment and they just go on and on about the teachers, the counselors. Watching it full circle, 30 something years later, it's amazing. JAKE JOHANSSON: You said you had some run-ins with the law early on? SPEAKER: I did. I did community service in this building when I walked in today. I said this is a little PTSD, I was wiping the handrails. JAKE JOHANSSON: It is for us as well. SPEAKER: It just fell full-circle, seeing how thankful they are and it's really amazing program. I cannot say enough about it. This one and they I followed and donated. Now I'm back into, I'm looking forward to working with these guys. JAKE JOHANSSON: Thank you for your answer. That's all I had Chairman. JEFFREY S BROWER: You have answered, legal structure, 501(c)(3), nonprofit? SPEAKER: Nonprofit organization. JEFFREY S BROWER: I'm wondering how you normally fund, have you had to find other construction sites and is going to the state and the county the first step or the last step? SPEAKER: It is a combination. We – many of the times, we receive an appropriation from the state, because we have legislators that see the need in the community and we will start that way. It gets us started with the program because they see the need. But we have different tonight depending on what were working with. We start with legislation and the logo as well as private donors that can get back to the committee. A simultaneous, very similar to what we're doing now. Not only did we meet with you all, we met with the state, we met with donors, constant uplift that we take want to make sure that were able to hit the school. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. When you went through the money that you've got from the state, you receive from other sources, that did not sound like there was much from private sectors from fundraisers. SPEAKER: The difference that you see with the 2.2 and the 2.9, that is private. The remaining 800,000 will come from private and from grants. It is about $1 million. JEFFREY S BROWER: OK. Alright. Thank you. I think everybody else is OK. Let me get George first. County manager. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: I just wanted to add a little bit to what Ryan, you have another item further down where we are reallocating our monies because of your used changes in projects. I just want to add the logic that we had in making a decision to use the money here. Is a proposal. In that the County received $2 million from a grant that the school board had received to put in broadband. That displaced $2 million of the money that we were going to have into the projects. We would've, as was pointed out by Mr. Kent, if you are not to pass this, it will go to the landfill. But I just wanted to say, it was coming really from another project were we were funded, again by the school board grant, that was our logic in using the $2 million to add to the CBGB to get to the 2.5. JEFFREY S BROWER: Councilman Reinhart you have questions. MATT REINHART: That was one of my questions. Thank you George for answering the. The money was allocated towards broadband, we have that savings, we use that money towards this. Really because were reallocated, we will talk about later, the landfill issue that was Mr. Kent's issue, which was a good question, by the way, my question is, you talk about that $0.8 million still left over, you made a comment about being in negotiations with the city of Ormond Beach. Is not tied in together by chance? Or am I asking question that should it be asked? SPEAKER: We are still in negotiations. MATT REINHART: That's a good answer. SPEAKER: We are hopeful. (inaudible) that could address at the some of that. I am putting them on. (Laughs) Of the individuals, I know the success rate – MATT REINHART: My wife and I contribute on PACE as well on a private note. The success rate that you refer to, the individuals that are in community, and Mr. Johansson, like myself, the return on investment, how many of those individuals stay within the community? I know the president of the Daytona State refer to the fact that the scholarships and whatnot that are offered to these young ladies, how many stay in the community? I love to see that. What we just had a, we had the individuals walking across the platforms, taking the diplomas and stay in Volusia County and work. These are success stories. SPEAKER: Absolutely. I do not know the exact date on that, we can look it up and get back to you. I would to, because of our partnership with Daytona State College, it is a smooth transition for our girls. It allows them to save money to stay here and have an opportunity to go to school. As you heard from our alumni, she made her way back to Volusia County. The return on investment is that they are giving back to the community in a way that they wanted them before. MATT REINHART: They get to come back to the original high school. Is that common? That they go back to the school? It's become obsolete. We even had some PACE those who works at PACE. MATT REINHART: One last question. How many centers are in the state of Florida? SPEAKER: We have 21 in the state of Florida, we launched in South Carolina and Georgia with programs which are outreach progress. We go to the schools, to help the girls as well, there's an opportunity want, we are able to get this building, we are able to have some additional services that we can offer Volusia County by going to the schools and offering those same mental health services for girls that may not need the full day program. It also but opportunity. MATT REINHART: Have you had similar situations in those other counties as other areas were building is needed and you went the same avenue as far as this? SPEAKER: Obsolete. Every program, many of our programs have a waiting list and then what we are able to get interfacility that helps our current girls, it gives us space to provide therapist that can also reach out to other communities and other schools that may not be able to come to PACE. Ones were at capacity, we can still serve others. MATT REINHART: Have other counsel helped? SPEAKER: They have helped, I don't want to say, I can't remember the exact number, Manatee has definitely have. MATT REINHART: We can talk about jails if you want. I'm just getting... SPEAKER: I would like to add, we talk about the 100 girls we serve every year about 100 gross. But in the 30 years of this service of this organization, we continue to serve, offer free counseling service to any PACE girls who need that. If a girl comes back 2 years later, and she needs to see a counselor, there is a counselor available to see her. At her point of need. Is not just about the girls we are immediately serving, it's about the girls we serve through the lifetime of our existence in this community. SPEAKER: Want a PACE girl, always a PACE no. MATT REINHART: One final question, this amount – this is not something that you're coming back for, this is merely to get this building instructed to assist with getting the building constructed? SPEAKER: Actually. We have an operating budget. MATT REINHART: I knew the answer to that. BRAD BURBAUGH: The research that I have done, excuse me, typically, their capital stock, we talk about affordable housing, the different stacks of capital, their capital stack is essentially state appropriation, sometimes federal appropriation, local support, and about over $1 million for fundraising in the private fundraising they've done in the last couple of buildings. Number 2, this model has worked for us well, were we provided some capital. The first place, first step shelter, the research center, we provide some seed money to get the project built, they are responsible for operations from that point forward. That has worked well for us because we don't have year-over-year dollars. The last point, as slipped my mind, just as your staff member, I have done some blood work to understand what the ask was and where we are situated in terms of the asks of other communities. The last point, the cost about $20,000 per girl through their program for the last each year, it cost $55,000 to have someone in the juvenile justice system. JEFFREY S BROWER: Councilman Dempsey. DON DEMPSEY: First of all, I have been involved in the criminal justice system, both prosecutor and defense attorney. I've heard nothing but wonderful things about your program. Really, you do an outstanding job. My question though is more fiscal. You guys, have you are ever sought out a public charter to be a charter school? SPEAKER: We have not. Our CEO can probably speak more to the. But briefly, there are some regulations within the charter school that don't allow us to do some of the services that we know is true. And significant to gender responsive with our girls specifically who respond very different when it comes to mental health for low academic scores. But we have not sought out to be charter. DON DEMPSEY: You know that to be true that you would be declined? SPEAKER: I know there will be some alterations to our program in order to be a charter school. DON DEMPSEY: OK. I believe, is the one school that you have in Pensacola, is that a charter school? But it is a public school? SPEAKER: It is not. But it is a public school. All the schools are subcontracted with the school district. DON DEMPSEY: Yes. This follows with Mr. Kent's question, why have not you, because your school, basically. You guys educate these girls. So, wouldn't this be more appropriate in front of the school board that has a bigger budget? Then us? Speak about thank you. Thank you for bringing that up, I know Councilman Kent, mention the significant partnership, when I mentioned, the FTE dollars follows the girls which helps with the operation costs for our girls to receive the service. However, the teachers are PACE teachers and staff in public schools are not – it is not mandatory for teachers to be trauma informed. If you are at PACE center, that is a difference that we provide more than just the academics, we provide with the environment that helps with a mental counseling in the mental health peace. DON DEMPSEY: Goes back to the old question. Would you decline charter status if you brought that up at your request? SPEAKER: I'm sure we would have to alter our program. DON DEMPSEY: Then you would be funded by department of education and the school board. SPEAKER: We receive funding from the school board and DJJ helps with the operating in the school district currently… DON DEMPSEY: It sounds like you depend on private donations and it would be (indiscernible) if you are entirely funded as a charter school and I would feel better that you weren't at the mercy of donors. I was just wondering if that ever came up in all of your board meetings or whatever. SPEAKER: I'm sure it was discussed and we do receive significant dollars from the government but there is a portion we do fundraiser because we want to be able to provide the programs we know has proven to our girls without taking out elements that we know are effective. Again, this scenario it's not the fundraising for the operating it's the new building that we need to be of the house the girls. DON DEMPSEY: Thank you that's all I have. SPEAKER: Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: We are still in questioning mode, Councilman Robins? DANNY ROBINS: Brad, are you available? I know you notice better than anyone our social services. In your preparation for this, what services do we offer and which ones – I'm trying to establish if there's any overlap here where we can pull back on some other ones to maybe look at what they are doing in the future? I just need to get a better idea and clarification because I know we do a lot throughout the community. Is that something you can help out with? BRAD BURBAUGH: Through your children and families advisory board, this counsel has generously provided $3.5 million. Excuse me. Two different organizations to focus on community needs. So youth development is one of those community needs, they are actually the Boys and Girls Club is our primary grant recipient in that area. They actually do have a subcontract with PACE and they look at what are the different areas in the community and how are we serving them. So when we talk about young girls 11 to 17 I think is who the PACE center serves, they are being subcontracted to address that need. $37,000 I believe is the grant that we have at the moment. That the Boys and Girls Club club have with them. So we are addressing some of those needs. Are we fully addressing them? No, and if you look up if you look at indicators across the state compared to mental health and depression and youth populations we are significantly above the state average. This is evidence based and research informed and it's something that works. I would say more is needed, there is no significant overlap we are paying $37,000 to address the needs of this community right now. DANNY ROBINS: Do you know how much we are spending and mental health? BRAD BURBAUGH: I would have to get the number for you but I can certainly help. DANNY ROBINS: I would like to maybe get a little more information if we can, I'm sure we can pull it up quickly, mental health housing counseling and what other services and then we can compare them here in the next few minutes in terms of what we are doing and what we are looking at. Also... BRAD BURBAUGH: If I may, at your last meeting, you committed $80 million. Children and families advisory board is different, needs of families and children in the community. There's a small component of mental health but really, that ADM money is state-mandated up to 25% match I believe in this Council approved a $3.7 million at the last meeting but we are required to give back to the organizations the state tells us to. So there's no reduction there that is allowed essentially. DANNY ROBINS: Maybe this is a better question for staff. The majority of your girls that you see come in and utilize the program, do you guys track that through demographics where it's ZIP Codes, city, County and are we the only county that would benefit from this service is Flagler County involved? SPEAKER: We are PACE Flagler Volusia 97% of our girls are Volusia girls. We have very few from Flagler because transportation is a problem. 97% is are Volusia girls and we track by demographic and ZIP Code. The highest utilization is 32114. Which is Daytona and then 32117. They are both Daytona. DANNY ROBINS: Have we approach Daytona on becoming a part of – I know they got some ARPA money as well just the more the merrier if we need people at the table… There could be a chance for this to work, so… Have we reached out to any other municipalities? SPEAKER: We have not, Volusia County, we have met with were in the process of speaking with Flagler County as well. Right now we only receive about five girls from Flagler and we received money from United Way and we are looking on how to partner with them on a greater level but not the city. DANNY ROBINS: I'm interested to see the list – not names or anything personal but the amount that comes from which cities or sections that way we can collaborate and see where we can help you possibly better… Thank you. SPEAKER: Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: I think this is the last councilman for questions, David Santiago. DAVID SANTIAGO: Thank you Mr Chair. Then you sparked some questions for me as well. This is been very knowledgeable for me. First let me ask you this, you mentioned that the FTE – FTA, funding follows the student. You are saying… I don't want to put words in your mouth, the state rate that the state pays per student to the school board follows from their for your students for operating costs? SPEAKER: And follows the girl. But what I was also saying is that it doesn't follow the teachers. We still have to pay the teachers… DAVID SANTIAGO: Don, that's similar to charter school so it's almost the same concept if I'm accurate? SPEAKER: We have several charter school students who have dropped out or failing they have come to PACE and there's difference. In the type of program that is evidence-based, proven that it works. So while I do honor the work that they do, we do have girls that have left those charter schools and came to pace. DAVID SANTIAGO: I believe you, that's a good thing what I just learned. So you do get the funds… I was asking the question to drill down. You are already a hybrid charter school in my opinion. Maybe not classified that way. On the stateside. Denny's questioning on where your students come from, did raise my eyebrows. I represent West Volusia. I guessed I serve on the County Council… Don represents West Volusia also and I guess the troubled girls do not only come from the east side. What efforts do you have an planner the future that help me say that some of the students that live on the west side may be able utilize your service? How can you increase that? SPEAKER: We currently work any girl or family who approaches us we do our best to support. Usually transportation is the issue. We provide bus tickets for girls to live in Deltona, DeLand, we provided bus transportation or tickets or funding for those girls. That challenge, exists for every PACE center and we work with funding sources like the United Way or other folks provide transportation. DAVID SANTIAGO: Not to throw monkey wrench but you're buying new land and moving it further away from most residents in the county by putting it in Ormand. Did you look at other opportunities? SPEAKER: It was a several year process looking at various pieces of land. We also were working with Votran to see routes that could be conducive to serving more girls and we are continuing to figure that out. DAVID SANTIAGO: Is it safe to assume based on Danny's question on where your students come from, now being located closer to Flagler from your existing location in Port Orange, the potential to serve more Flagler students as possible? SPEAKER: I don't know that, maybe. DAVID SANTIAGO: You are closer to them so… SPEAKER: The existing location is in Ormond. We are and will be in Ormond. DAVID SANTIAGO: That's all I've got. JEFFREY S BROWER: Vice Chair Kent? TROY KENT: So the FTE dollars, full time equivalency dollars travel with the student, makes total sense, how many teachers you have at the Ormond location? What is your starting salary for teachers? Do you provide health benefits, if so could you tell us those? And do you participate in the Florida retirement system for those teachers? SPEAKER: We have five teachers full-time teachers at our center, we have a starting salary that is on par with the district, $57,000. For teachers. We provide a full array of health insurance benefits that include everything from all the various disabilities, health insurance, dental, vision, and we have a 403B retirement, we are not a part of the state retirement system.'s TROY KENT: Your starting salary is $57,000? SPEAKER: It is for a teacher. TROY KENT: No further questions Chairman but I will put my name back up for comments. JEFFREY S BROWER: I think that's where we are unless Jake or Don have more questions? DAVID SANTIAGO: One more question… I apologize. In the event this gets any type of funding from the county, full or some, would you be objectionable to having provisions to allow for clawback and I will give you a scenario, something goes wrong. And the site closes. We don't want that to happen but if it does happen in 2 to 3 years, now that taxpayers are put in X amount of money in there and the property goes up for sale, I would prefer to see a clawback in the event if the sale or transfer for profit, location or something like that to allow the taxpayers to be in first position. Would that be objectionable to you in the event you get funding? SPEAKER: let us confer with our trustees on that and I don't think we've done that before. But allow me to defer with them and we can get back to you on that. BRAD BURBAUGH: I conferred with experts in the back of the room, as part of CBGB funds there has to be an environmental assessment done and we are comfortable in investing tax payer dollars, if that came back negatively, we would have to drop back and find different sites. DAVID SANTIAGO: The scenario I gave was different but I appreciate that so the site has to be suitable. If you could take that food for thought, it popped into my head. Hopefully it never gets to that but… SPEAKER: I was saying hopefully we never get to that because I think there's a huge need for that. JEFFREY S BROWER: I think we are at that point… DON DEMPSEY: Ma'am, I know you are a big organization and I'm not saying any of these people are not worth their pay. I mean your CEO makes a very handsome salary, correct? SPEAKER: I don't know what our CEO makes, I know it's public record because we are nonprofit. I want to state that we are asking for today does not go toward salary. I also know that because we have fiscal responsibility, we do have oversight to make sure that our CEO's salary – that is aligned with national average for CEO of the size of the nonprofit that we have. Again, while we are focusing on Volusia County today, we have 21 centers and additional programs. I know that our physical oversight, Board of Trustees, CFO, they make sure that the salary of the CEO is compared to the national average of a nonprofit of the size. DON DEMPSEY: She makes maybe twice of what school superintendent would make. Is the fear guess? SPEAKER: Again, I don't know for sure. I would compare her salary to our nonprofit. Boys and Girls Club. DON DEMPSEY: My concern is you have to struggle for funding, you have to come and ask for government, private donor, whereas if you're a charter school, Department of education would be paying for all this stuff. That is all. I think she makes 400,000 per year. Is that right? SPEAKER: Again, I am not sure but I want to say, I know you use the word struggle, we are in the line item with DJ J we receive recurring funding, each center however has a component, that is fundraising that is not funded by the government for certain things that our girls need as well as team members that are fundraisers and in the community that are not teachers or counselors. DON DEMPSEY: I will close with this, I will reiterate, I know you guys, you guys are doing a wonderful job, it is not fluff. I represented some of your people. And your students. SPEAKER: I appreciate that. DON DEMPSEY: You got your incredible job, I don't want to see you go away. I know there's others who have gone now in the past. You guys have done a wonderful job. I would don't want you to think I'm trying to pick on you. SPEAKER: We appreciate your questions, there is a well-known nonprofit that lost, when we see that the service is very significant, I know you have criminal justice backer, my degrees in criminal justice, you can understand recidivism. Our recidivism rate compared to the Florida Department of juvenile Justice is about 12% better than that. That is why we have that line item. They know that our services keep our girls out of the juvenile detention center, keep them out of the criminal justice system so they cannot turn around and return their funding, their efforts back to the county that invested in them. Thank you. DON DEMPSEY: Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Any other questions Council? OK. Councilman Reinhart? MATT REINHART: I will start with Councilman Dempsey's – it was a good question, asking about that, the fact that being referred to as a charter school, I know that I did hear during the questions that to become a charter school, changes to make, that's the best way to put it, I agree with you. I think PACE does a phenomenal job. I am very comfortable, while I'm sitting here, my wife donate more. Literally. She has to share that with me, I think that's funny. Nonetheless, I would be afraid to almost – almost afraid, if it would change the makeup of that to become a charter school and I get where you're going with the whole purpose of this is for the building. Maybe that is something you look at down the road, absolutely. While we are here today is for that. I think that is basically I wanted to say, that I have not said already. I'm not one that likes to repeat things too much. You do a phenomenal job. Maybe that something that they look at in the future for the charter, get it. I don't want to see – you made a comment with respect to how other 501 have fallen and torn apart as a result of changing the makeup of their once government involved. What school board get involved, things of that nature. That would concern me. I certainly understand and respect what Mr. Dempsey was saying because maybe, that would help – I don't know. That's a conversation you need to have with your group. Anyway, I will leave it at that, I would be interested to hear what my colleagues have to say. JEFFREY S BROWER: Vice chair Kent? TROY KENT: You all agree, here we are, we are having after full disclosure, I was approached by my dear friend Mariam, and I taught Miriam's daughter 5th grade probably 20 – 23 years ago. You know, you are a wonderful person. When you call me and talk to me about this. I absolutely asked, my councilmembers agree with me in the day, we are here today. Thank you. To PACE, just so you know, by the way, great job! You are peppered with some really tough question. That was not easy. You did great. Just a little background, just so you know, I served on the one commission for a long time. I approved PACE having the location that you're in right now. Which was the former Rigby school, which by the way counsel, all African-American school in Ormond Beach. We get PACE that location to use for one dollar per year and then I believe what happened on top of that with facility issues, anytime we could, Ormond Beach was doing that, I am proud of my support and help and I'm proud of Ormond Beach support. Do your current and former student, it was way more impactful than you bringing them here that showing is a video. That was great, brilliant move, thank you for doing that. Thank you both for sharing your story. There is no doubt in my mind that PACE center for girls is a widely successful program. I think you will do incredible work and I would venture to say there are small miracles that happen inside your building everyday. Everyday. That is really impactful thing for me. So, a couple of things counsel, where I have some discomfort. Alright? First of all, we are being asked to pay more than the state paid. The state's budget is astronomical compared to Volusia County's budget, we are being asked to pay more than the state of Florida ended up paying. Story behind how that happened but I'm not crazy about that. OK? I want you all to be aware of that. You hear the funds or federal funds, there is still taxpayer dollars. I always need a good answer from my constituents. These are rented seats. We are here for a short time. I better have a good answer when people ask good questions. I don't have a good answer on why Volusia County is going to pay more than the state of Florida for the building. I am not OK with that. I understand what you're saying about your CO, none of this money will go to that, Mr. Dempsey I'm glad you brought it up, we started talking about $400,000 salary, you know, people were asking questions about that. As they should ask me questions about that. That piece is out there as well, I'm glad you mentioned that the money from the full-time equivalents he follows the students, I just learned you all received support from DJ J and also the local district. I can see actually why the school district would maybe back off a little bit and say, the full-time equivalent money follows the student. It goes with them. The money goes to PACE. But now I'm just going to say, at the end of the day, this is a school. Yes, we helped spent onetime and homeless shelter. I did not know that schools do homeless shelters. But, at the end of the day, this is a school, where students from Volusia County schools are attending the PACE Center for Growth, hopefully very successful, and getting back into their home school with their peer group and graduating with them. It is hugely important. It is fantastic, actually. We are not a school district, we are the Volusia County Council. Mr. Robins, you brought up a wonderful point because Ormonde has been on the whole, it would be brilliant for A center to go to every city where there are students from that city attending and saying, we would love your financial support. It sounds like most of them come from Daytona Beach. I'm sure there are some from Port Orange, I know there's some far Orman, handful from Flagler. You have to remember, everyone of the students, sounds like has to be brought in by vehicle. There's no bussing, it sounds like. The parents have to be part of this program to bring them in. Those other questions and concerns that I have, I'm not ready for the 2.5 million counsel. You're going to have to convince me on a lower number and go from there. I want them to be successful, I want them to get the help. But is this our help to give? It may be. JEFFREY S BROWER: Councilman Johansson. JAKE JOHANSSON: Thank you Chairman. I have a similar concern but, when you fall though the tax dollar, at the end of the day, I don't care whether I give a dollar to the school board that would fund PACE, I would give it to the county that would fund PACE so I would give it to the city, as well as my dollar gets to where it has to go. If we do not fund the 2.5, and we ask the school board to do it, my dollar to go all over there to do it. I don't know if I am sold on that.. The important thing for me is that we have not yet gone to the city – we, meaning PACE. Just like. Shelter, that are all in collaborative efforts, here's another one. There are about 800 K short. There committee members look like their powerbrokers for fundraising so I'm sure they can do it. But I will tell you this, I think I would like to see some cities skin in the game, city has have this money and some one-time capital improvement or capital program and I think I am more inclined to say look, your 800 K short, start knocking on mayors doors to see where they are going, it might be the play. Mr. Kent has already said they rented you that. Does cost avoidance, that payment in kind. I think it is important that you hit up the city's, it sounds like mainly on the east side and see if they can help out. I will wait of the rest of the comments from my councilmembers, my fellow councilmembers before I make a decision. Thank you Chairman. That's all I have. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. Troy, you're asking questions about where the funding comes from, who funded. Does a really good questions. Several people have brought up the fact that this is a school, it should be a charter school but that is not going to be our decision, they have to make that decision. Frankly, I understand your hesitation to become a charter school because you will lose some of your autonomy and you won't be able to make some decisions that you make now that you make you a successful program. I'm not going to make that decision for you. I understand that your internal conflict is you assess that possibility. What we are being asked to do here and here is my dilemma counsel, I am not comfortable today with 2.5 million either but I'm also not comfortable with just taking that 2 other governments. Whether it be the city. The final analysis, this is charitable giving. This is a nonprofit that depends on people making their own decisions, sometimes a very personal, private of who do I donate to and this is a worthwhile project? I'm not going to repeat what everybody appears said, this is a worthwhile project. As far as I am concerned. You have a tremendous track record. But you are asking us to make a decision for every other taxpayer and Volusia County, should we donate your hard earned tax money to this? For me, we don't have that right or responsibility to donate money for every other taxpayer in Volusia County, as worthwhile as this project is. May be more internal conflict, they need money in their homes for their children and we are taking their tax money and donating it somewhere else without their permission. And that is just a really hard decision. If I knew that Volusia County had $2.5 million just sitting around, first I would say then that we are taking too much money from taxpayers, but secondly I would say I know that is not true. I know how hard stuff works. We are on budget season to make every dollar accountable. And I know this $2.5 million we had already set aside for the landfill and for stormwater control there for flooding, and to provide every member of Volusia County and our visitors for the next 100 years a place to put garbage. That is a worthwhile cause! Can you compare that to these women's lives? No but that is a core government responsibility that we are supposed to take of. (Sighs) And now we are being asked to take that money and donate it as a charitable contribution. There is no doubt that there is a need here, but I am not comfortable today sitting here and listening to the debate that I have the right or the responsibility to take money from one taxpayer somewhere and donated to a nonprofit. They should be making that decision. We also cannot decide for PACE to become a charter school. What we could do is help them raise money in the private sector because that is what a nonprofit is supposed to do. They raise money. And I see a minimal amount coming from private donations. And what I see happening all the time in government is that we become the first stop. Instead of going out and getting private money, it is the county, the city's and the state where we are being asked to take taxpayer money. I just do not think that is fair in an economy, when we are going to hear in just a minute or in several minutes about our budget, that comes up today. We will hear we are a low tax county, and I will tell you most people who get the tax bill in November will not look at it and say, "While we are low tax county." They will say, "How in the world do I pay for this," SPEAKER: thank you chair. Matt Reinhart? MATT REINHART: I know Daytona has pretty much donated all of the ARPA funds so far so ARPA is off of the table, and they do a lot of great things with it. So I respect Daytona for that. My concern is if it is more towards operational or salaries or things of that nature. This is a structure that I have seen in the other building. I have also seen the gymnasium that you were displaced in. Neither one of those are safe, and I love Public Safety. I stand firm on that and I think these young ladies and to the return of investment, in providing the site is a safe structure or at least assisting in helping them keep safe, this building does that. Where you go in the future with respect to operational costs and things of that nature, that is where you have to have the conversation about things like I said like the charter if that is a road that you wanted travel, and you travel to other cities because you just sit through 21327, I mean this is Daytona. A lot of these ladies come from that area. So these are definitely conversations you want to have. I am comfortable with the fact and I do want to hear more. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Councilman Dempsey? DON DEMPSEY: I share concerns with a lot of people in here about the 2.5 million. It does bother me as well that this is a good school but the school board is basically stepping away from the table and they are not participating significantly. I mean our 2.5 million versus their 300,000 basically in-kind… You know? I don't really know if that is appropriate because it really should be coming from the Department of Education budget or the school board's budget. But I don't think it should come out of the County Council's budget. Another thing that really concerns me is that this landfill issue with the motocross, which is a southern site which I did not pick, the Huntingdon group picked it not me. But after that group picked it as the potential site, I became well aware of all the flooding issues down there. I mean it is not just normal flooding, I was shown videos and pictures of significant flooding that continues to go on down there on the southern end of the landfill property. I mean, as recent as in the past year. So I don't know what progress is being made to fix their problem? I would like to see it get fixed and the last thing I want to do is take money from them to fix their flooding issues and kick it over to this, albeit it is a great facility, this is something that the Department of Education or the school board in my opinion should be kicking in. And we should not be sacrificing designated stormwater money for this. So I'm having the same problems. So thank you guys. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Vice Chair Kent? TROY KENT: Thank you chairman. And counsel, a lot of what you say, these are healthy conversations. This is a good thing. This is one of the things I love about local government! And one of the things I love about working with you six gentlemen for the past 17 – 18 months, and I will use no names of other elected officials I have worked with, at other times when someone asked for many it was like they almost vomited the money for them, like here you go, whatever you want you get it. But you are all fiscal conservatives. And we have not done that, we have not said here you go. And Mr. Dempsey, you bring up some really valid points about participation levels between the school district and Volusia County. But chairman, you brought something up that counsel I will share with you that I did not think of and I am disappointed in myself for not thinking of it. But you are right. This is giving money to a nonprofit, and these are taxpayer dollars. And I did not think about it that way until after hearing your comments and hearing Mr. Reinhardt say, "My wife and I give privately." And I will just say, the committee members here, I know all of them and they are all wonderful people. The only person I don't really know is Kelly. I apologize I don't know you very well. But everyone else here I know very well. I mean Bill and I went to high school together. So there are really great people who are here for common purpose. But I had people who refused to support me that had supported me in the past because the City of Ormond Beach was asked to give money for the Mary McLeod statue that is in Daytona Beach. And the city gave around $20,000. And I said, "Tonight I will go home and write a personal check." Which I did. But I don't think it was my job to give away the taxpayers of Ormond Beach is money for nonprofit that if they wanted to give to it, they could like Mr. Reinhart does. And I did not think about that until he said that Mr. Chairman. And I thought Mr. Reinhart writing a check for the pay center to help them, and I applaud those efforts as well, but it is just something else to think about. There has to be more participation. I would like to see that from the school district and the cities. I'm not saying no completely, I want the PACE Center to hear me clearly about that. I was pretty for the support I will give for Ormond Beach in the support I will get here as a councilmen, but 2.5 million is too rich for my blood. Mr. Dempsey, I think your point may be one of the most valid which is where we are taking this money from. Remember, I said I have to have good answers for my constituents? I don't have a good answer for them on that. So I will need to hear from stuff between now and the next, talk with us. Because if no one else does, I will make a motion for continuance to bring this back so that you know, if the Council decides to give something to PACE Center for Girls, but I also want to hear from staff about what that will do for flooding issues when we pull money from that. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Mr. Santiago? DAVID SANTIAGO: Thank you Mr. Chairman. There are a lot of good points being made on both sides. I think they do great work in our county, and when you gave the analysis of other institutional government type services versus PACE saves taxpayers money. So that was certainly helpful to me so that there is a public good or cause that has a return on investment. I think everyone is there, right? I think many people are stuck on the number and how big. So I don't think we are at a no. However, I will counter the little about nonprofits because look at our budget! We have a bunch of money and therefore nonprofits. So we should not hold them to any other standard. If we are going to give money to other nonprofits, I would not want to use that argument against them because we give a couple other million dollars to other nonprofits! The question lies as to whether the Council feels comfortable on the dollar amount. And it seems we are not there. I think Troy's suggestion of possibly postponing this, I do not want to put this up for vote because I do not think it will go well, but I think we should postpone this and let everyone go sharpen their pencils and come up with a little more strategic plan. I think that is the best course of action. With that Mr. chair, I will make a motion. I move that we temporarily postpone this item time uncertain until it is ready to come back from sophomore information. TROY KENT: Chairman I would be happy to second that if I can ask a quick clarify in question to the maker of the motion. How much time do you think you need? DAVID SANTIAGO: Let me start again Troy, I think time is determined on mainly them getting with staff and what they provide staff. Because I think they need to sharpen. TROY KENT: OK I second it. JEFFREY S. BROWER: We need to bring staff back with more information. We have a motion and a second but we still have discussion on the table but that is the motion on the floor at this point. And we have several numbers of the public that want to speak. JAKE JOHANSSON: Mr. Chairman, we have been discussing (indiscernible)… That is what we have been doing without the motion. I'm sorry that you did not follow that but we had questions and debate. There was a lot of debate and a lot of debate. JEFFREY S. BROWER: We had questions, we had several debates. I hear the bell going up. This is an important issue. JAKE JOHANSSON: I'm not saying it is not, I'm just saying do not have another hour of debate when we have already been there. JEFFREY S. BROWER: OK I think the Council has hired what you want. County Manager George Recktenwald? GEORGE RECKTENWALD: There's a question about the landfall and what it would do for flooding in the area. The answer is nothing. Stormwater money we are talking about is specifically for the new cells that are going in. So that is an expensive system because it is for all these new cells that will provide a 100 year life. But that is required to capture the stormwater that comes off the hill that we will be creating and capturing in that system. It does not do anything about the flooding that occurred down on Halifax in that area. As a matter of fact, that all came because of the back of the tributary that goes down into the Bruce Creek. And as we said many times, you had a 6 to 9 storm surge with 20 inches of rain. So that is why it floods. It floods whenever that backs up. That is what it is for. JEFFREY S BROWER: I think that was clear. Councilman Johansson? JAKE JOHANSSON: Where are we? JEFFREY S BROWER: Your name was up for debate. JAKE JOHANSSON: I was taking a second bite of the apple before we started a motion. Is that where we are or are we going to start over? JEFFREY S BROWER: You don't want to? You don't have to talk. JAKE JOHANSSON: I would love to I want to make sure we are not going to start it again. I will save my comments for later. Fellow council members, I do see this as a pretty hefty $2.5 million investment. But I see it in our youth, I see it a little bit different than some of you. A one-time investment with a cost avoidance for crime, drugs, mental illness and future social services all of which we currently fund with taxpayers who fought hard earned cash. We pay the bill, they pay the CFA (indiscernible) bill. Would give money to nonprofits to take care of all those things, that I see PACE as getting down to the root cause and taking care of it before it happens. Not trying to put a Band-Aid on something after it happens. Along with Mr. Santiago I believe this is a great program and I really want to support it at whatever time we decide. I was going to ask George a question about the flooding, but it sounds like you just got answered. I appreciate it. That is all I have Sir. DANNY ROBINS: Where is Brad earlier Brad real quick I am crunching some numbers here. It roughly costs 30,000 a year or 55,000? SPEAKER: The statistic was 55,000 per youth. It is different from youth populations versus adult populations. And less than 20,000 is the program. DANNY ROBINS: I just did... And those 80 students, are those 80 per year? Where are those… SPEAKER: It is about 100 girls a year at peace Volus but at any given time it is the capacity that we will see youth… DANNY ROBINS: I believe you guys are definitely an asset. There is no if's answer what's about it and you are possibly offering services cheaper so it is something we have to look at. And brought awareness to that obviously on how we are allocating and where we are directing funding for some of the services when you guys could be doing it for cheaper. I think this is going to give us an opportunity to get some more partners here. I think some good things are going to come out of it. Thank you for everything you do. JEFFREY S BROWER: George Recktenwald? GEORG RECKTENWALD: Is there any participation in this because I want to make sure we are not missing that. JEFFREY S BROWER: We would do that next. No other councilmember wanted to speak? The first one was John Nicholson. I only have two is that correct? SPEAKER: I saw the 2 1/2 million dollars on the agenda and I had to put my name in there. If you recall, there were several cities that did not want to pay for police officers and the school board came to you for almost 1/2 $1 million. The city of Daytona Beach paid for 11 out-of-pocket. I am not happy that we were asked to pay for other that would not. The school board is contributing 3% to this building. We are going to contribute about 40%. The state will contribute about 38%. It is the school, regardless of what you call it. Charter school, whatever. It is a school. And this is the second time the school board came to you, or is coming to you, to ask for something that they should fund. This is absolutely beneficial, there is no complaint about that. At the tail end of this, there will not be welfare or crimes or other bad negative effects for people to drop out and cause whatever happens when you are at the bad end of society. Drugs or whatever. These girls will go on to lead productive lives, pay taxes, have children and husbands. The whole nine yards.I do not mind flipping the 2 1/2 million if there was a necessity to do so but I do not see the necessity to do so. There are other things to spend that money on. Are we looking at the totality? I am a holistic thinker on these things. I understand all the benefits that we are going to get from this new building. Believe it or not, there is an empty building down the street from me. A school building. They just moved it to ornament. Empty school building just sitting there doing nothing! Who knows what they're going to do with it. They do not know, they are going to store things in it this would be perfect for them. 100 girls and all those free empty classrooms? There is a possibility. They are now down the line on this thing. I am asking you, $400,000? I think that is thus then George makes. I think George has more buildings than 23 schools. He has more employees. Do you have more than 2000 employees? Do you have more than 2000 residents of Volusia County? I think it is almost 600,000. 600,000, they have 2000, and George's getting paid less. 400,000 when you got nationally... The national average New York is paid much more. Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Mariam Gaby white? SPEAKER: I am a citizen of Volusia County for 45 years. In 1978 fourth of July when I moved to Volusia County, Volusia County adopted me and I adopted Volusia County. Since then my full commitment to serve the county. P ACE for girls I have been involved with not yesterday or the day before. I have been involved for a number of years, a number of years. I would say close to 20 years. Being on the local board and every Christmas we struggled to find ABCD. I have been fundraising for them for that many years. Now that we are in front of you it is not a thing of yesterday Mr. Chairman and councilmen that we thought of. I invited everyone of you to come and see our school because then perhaps you would have known why we are asking for this building. I have a daughter, my daughter raised to go with me to see PAC for girls. I would like for all those girls to have the same opportunity. Mr. Dempsey, the school board as you suggested Mr. Kent (indiscernible) we did not think about it right? We got in touch with them and they are more than willing to help us. That is the first offer. But to push us out just to say come back. The price of construction since when I started working on this, I could've bought one of those buildings. You don't think we looked at those buildings? They are more expensive. Because you are guided by statewide. Barbara just told me (indiscernible). But I want to tell you one thing Mr. Kent. When we got $340 million to build the interchange for the city of Ormond Beach, using other people in the state of Florida didn't mind that? You think that out of the blue we decide to come and get 2 1/2 million dollars to build the school? It has been months of working with these phenomenal staff. I am so impressed. Do you know how many data we provided to be eligible for this? We will come back. I will not give up. But the way you are looking at it is just wrong. And you all have to live with your conscience because roof might fall down. If you go to the building that is over 100 years old, you have to look for the safety of yourself walking. These girls, they live there. If you go there, surprised them. These girls, the teachers have a candle... Music. So they can motivate them. But these girls still they come, because they like the education. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. SPEAKER: If I may I want to reemphasize one point George made. I do work with the school board finance department and I feel like they would want some acknowledgement. The broadband project the former Council approved an 2022 was allocated a $5 million allocation for this Council based on the expectant need and analysis of how each (indiscernible) will cost. It was only after that contract was entered into by the Council, by the County that the school board later then came and gave the $2 million to us as a grant to help pay for that contract. Staff's recommendation for funding bases off the logic the school came in after the fact and give us the $2 million. That is a project they can spend the capital funding on. They are subject to restrictions, I cannot speak exactly to what those restrictions are. But their ability to spend on capital is somewhat limited by state statute to public schools. They would have to speak to that, the school board themselves. The $2 million recommendation from staff if this were funded was based off the fact that the school board came after the fact. In a way, there is some school board participation from the $2 million. I just wanted to clear that up. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. Carissa? The motion on the table is to postpone this for a time uncertain, but as quickly as possible to come back with more information. Would you please call the role KARISSA GREEN: (Rollcall) JEFFREY S BROWER: The motion passes unanimously. Thank you. And with that it is 6:29 PM. Why don't we take a break until 7 PM? (Break) SPEAKER: Welcome to the Volusia County Council meeting. The meeting will begin in 10 minutes. (Music plays) (Break until 7 PM) SPEAKER: Welcome to the Volusia County Council meeting. The meeting will begin in five minutes. Welcome to the Volusia County Council meeting. The meeting will begin in two minutes. (Music plays) SPEAKER: Ok it is 7 o'clock and we are resuming that meeting with item 4. To cut some time and go straight into it we will cut to Clay Ervin. CLAY ERVIN: Good evening. The client has been in contact with the property owner. We have also been able to help her navigate throughout the application process through transform 386. So her application is in process and there should be a decision about her eligibility and what can be done about it shortly. Chris ran, from your attorney office, who is a Miss Lavina's attorney, they have agreed for the Council to remand this item back to the CLCA and they will drop their appeal that is currently in front of you. That will give them sufficient time to get through the transform 368 process and the report of the CLCA on the status of that, and they can provide all of the facts to the CLCA so they can make a decision will affect our questions Donna is here to answer questions about the transform 368 application and Chris is here behind me to answer questions about remanding into the CLCA. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Are the questions before there is a motion? DAVID SANTIAGO: For CNC. JAKE JOHANSSON: Second thing, Johansen. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Nice job, a motion to move back to CNCA, and the second motion was Jake Johansson. Questions? If you agree, say "Aye". Any opposed? The motion carried 7 to 0. Item 5, contract amendment for recycling services with FCC, Doctor Benjamin Bartlett. BENJAMIN: Good evening chair members, I am Benjamin Bartlett. First we have an amendment to the contract with FCC, they handle waste within the county. The contract allows for a maximum 5% increase based on the CPI for garbage collection. That CPI rate for this year was 5.76%, the staff recommends approval. The second part of the agenda item, should Council approved the amendment, would be to increase the non-ad valorem assessment which covers waste collection in the unincorporated area. It is currently At $310 per household per year. Last year's assessment was $279. The recommended rate moving forward would be $288 per house per year which is a nine dollar increase per year, 3.2%. I'm happy to answer questions you have. JEFFREY S. BROWER: You're proposing a 5% increase for myself and my neighbours. Vice Chair Kent? TROY KENT: Doesn't have the agreement itself can go with? OK does it cover and then some? BENJAMIN BARTLETT: It is a 2.5 increase rather than 5% in the contract, so it is us. TROY KENT: The fund, by increasing this amount to our residents, does it make sure we have a healthy amount if needed? BENJAMIN BARTLETT: Yes sir. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Motion to approve Benjamin Bartlett, seconded by Matt Reinhart. Any questions or debate? All in favour, say "Aye". Any opposed? Motion carried 7 to 0. Item number six, the Volusia Forever purchase of 2508 acres. SPEAKER: that's right, we have three separate contracts for parcels that we own. We have a video to play for you. We have agreed in tandem to purchase these parcels. They are owned by the same family but with different configurations. That is why we present them as three different contracts because there are different LLCs that alone. As the chairman said this is 2500 acres. This is the first family hi reached out to when I came into my role. It was hard but the team was persistent. These three parcels from our appraisers to certified estate appraisers and one reviewer for each of these, the appraised value of this 2500 acres is 4.39, 4.89, an hour to negotiate a deal of 4.78. So it was under the average of those appraisals. The good news is this has water benefits for the blue River Lagoon. There is the drainage basin that goes into the lagoon. So it protects us unto perpetuity. They own acres just south of this which is the conservation area. They have agreed to manage this property, and provide public access on the plans portion, what the two parcels on cow Creek do is give us more oplands, primarily wet. That is why there is lower price when we are talking about wetlands. I will say that they have agreed to manage this 2500 acres and manage the recreation component. If you can pull the PowerPoint up if you have out in the deck? That would be great. They have agreed to manage 1400 acres in the future which is directly with the deep Creek preserve so we will expand our conservation area and deep Creek preserve as well. You can see here on the left, this is the Indian Lagoon River, and visit is a very important area to protect. They have talked about acquisition in this area so we are really proud about this deal, the best deal yet, $4.7 million, and they have agreed to reimburse us for the parcel. You can see the map on the right is the subject property. The red, the blue and yellow I think… Yes yellow, purple (Laughs) OK for two parcels that are a different colour on the left and read, those are the three parcels altogether. You can see all of the conservation area that us and our partners have acquired in order to protect the lagoon. So with that, I will answer any questions you might have about this purchase. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Questions? OK Councilman Robbins? DANNY ROBINS: Thank you Chair. Good job with this. I like what I hear and see and I want people to just pay attention to that drone footage going up and what they see. There is a lot of green in Volusia County. So we are making a lot of headway in this area. For the deep Creek preserve on that exchange, have we negotiated before we sign on the dotted line what we can do that recreationally? SPEAKER: On the 14 acres? That will come back to you, that is all cooperative management agreement. That will come back to Council for approval. But I will show you, there are district staff here who understand there is accountable on expanded recreational activities and it will be a part of the negotiation to #1 give the public a piece of this piece, and number two how to give the public access to the additional 1400 acres. DANNY ROBINS: I appreciate that. And what kind of recreation can we expect? In those properties, will there be any major related trails? We like walking through the swamp in East Volusia, it's just something we do. SPEAKER: I like to introduce from the water management systems Chris, I will try to pull this up in my packet while he is talking. SPEAKER: good afternoon counsel. I'm glad to be here. I'd like to thank the long partnership that Volusia County in the stewardship has had. It has been fruitful for many years and we look forward to more in the future. So, our recreation kind of objectives and the counties objectives align very well. It is passive recreation focused: hiking, biking, horseback riding. This area as Brad alluded to is very wet. There are some areas towards cow Creek where the parking area and trails can be slighted. There is a drainage ditch that runs east-west at that bisects the property. There is already a levy against that drainage. So that is almost a good turnkey trip. In one way, out one way, but it goes through the part of the swamp which is pretty impressive. So there are already opportunities will forward with opening up a level of recreation pretty quickly after closing. As far as resource management is concerned, a lot of it will be surrounded or focused on species management, cultural resource management. OK, here are some of the items. And this is just kind of like, we use elevation models see where the high ground was and you can see the straight section right there. I thought I could do it this way (Laughs) I can. There's east-west merely a straight section there, that is the drainage ditch that has a levy next to it. There is some high ground next to it. Until you get out there you do not know at all where to set it from. So that gives you ideas of where to go. This area is rich with history from colonial times. And it is a wonderful piece that will do a great… That will ring great water quality as well. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Great. Really quickly, you all mentioned invasive species. We have.. And I actually used to hunt on this probably years ago, I know from years past and just being in touch with the neighbourhood, -- DANNY ROBINS: There are so many hogs out there just tearing things up. We have a management plan? Folks can we add a management plan there or something to maybe target some of that? SPEAKER: The conservation area to the south, (Unknown Name) manages the hogs. The biggest issue on this is access. A lot of this is available with the car which is not attracted to hog hunters. Our first step is to have a licensed hog agent through the district, that is our typical operation for hog management monarch conservation lands. That is not to say that there can be essential in the future with coordination with FWC. For management areas we refer to FWC to make recommendations to us. We do have special opportunity hunts in other places, hog hunts in other places that the district managers, that generally have better access that makes it look more attractive to get in there. DANNY ROBINS: I go along the seminal, right along the river there. You stay along the highway. If we can set up something with that, that would be great. It would be great because folks just lost a big club down there and I know this means a lot and it is the way of what down there. So thanks a lot guys. SPEAKER: Yes. And we have another piece that will be coming to you in September. Continue our legacy and the award we were given for land owner of the year for participation in these hunts. JEFFREY S BROWER: Questions? David Santiago? DAVID SANTIAGO: I want to know where that bass is located? That is contingent on my vote. Thank you Mr. chair I moved to approve as presented JEFFREY S BROWER: Motion to approve by Councilman Santiago. Second by Troy Kent. Describe what hog management consists of? SPEAKER: Generally trapping. You cannot move them off the property alive. Trapping them. There is actually been some pretty good advancing in trapping technology. There is remotely activated traps, it is almost like a net system to get the most at once. JEFFREY S BROWER: And they are very humane? Troy? SPEAKER: Yet again you are bringing is something where you are knocking it out of the park for Volusia County and for the environment at the same time. Excellent work. SPEAKER: Team effort. I have a great team. SPEAKER: You do that you are the leader of that team. I give George that credit for putting you in that position. But you are in front of us a thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: It is also a great benefit for them Lagoon and Detroit has been in government for a long time. All of us can relate when you say you have been working on this three years. It takes a long time, so good job. We have a motion to approve and a second. KARISSA GREEN: I apologize if you did, but did you call public comment JEFFREY S BROWER: I didn't do you want me to do that? Ryan solstice of Edgewater? SPEAKER: Good afternoon, Ryan solstice development services for the city of Edgewater here on behalf of the city to voice support for that acquisition. This area of the small provides critical floodplain and floodway within the city. Our largest residential community Florida Shores is just east of that giant red parcel there. And protecting this flood zone is within the hundred year flood will help ensure - preserve some of those flooding concerns for those residents in there. End of the city of Edgewater is in support of this acquisition. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you very much. No other comments? All in favour say I? Any opposed? The purchase is approved 7 to 0. Brings us to item number eight, approval of agreement with Motorola solutions for for a county municipal fire station. Did I skip seven? I am seven, approval (Laughs) Sorry. Approval of service changes and corresponding title six report. SPEAKER: Good evening I am Bobby, transit service director I will go through this presentation quickly. As discussed when we were rolling out the right service we would eliminate underperforming fixed route in West Volusia side of the county. We held public meetings. This is the current service slide here. This is what it is changing to. Low performing fixed route and here is some information on our savings that we are expecting right at the moment. Could increase as we go on. But we just want to make sure you have the figures that we are sure of right at the moment. We held public meetings and we had some participation. On both sides of the County. We did hear from folks on the DeLand side and I will tell you what we decided to do with the routes in the DeLand area when we get through the presentation. This is the final steps that we have to take for the federal process for this service approval. We want to make you aware of some of the public comments. Most people did not really have a problem with it. We did have some folks who are regular users of fixed route that really wanted to keep specific section in De I want to show you what we came up with asLand. In the land for the popular places we want to keep the fixed route going. The hospital along plummet, the doctor's office, Walmart public's. And we will still be able to do that and save the money that we said we were going to save. Part of this is a title VI analysis report. We have to do this as part of the federal process. There is no finding of disproportionate burdens of any kind which is important. And of course once you approve today's changes, they will go into effect on June 30. I want to show you one other slide. This is the circulator I was talking about. We had a lot of comments in the last couple of days with some residence here in Deland that were very adamant they wanted to have a fixed route on the greenline area. We have been able to find a way to make that happen and continue to keep the savings we said we would keep. We want to make that point to you before you finish this presentation, that we did find a way to make this happen without any additional cost. That's it. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. Questions? David? DAVID SANTIAGO: Moved to approve as presented. SPEAKER: Second by Troy Kent. JEFFREY S BROWER: Moved to proof by David San Diego and seconded by Troy Kent. Any questions or comments? SPEAKER: It took the homework assignment and did exactly what we ask. You are still providing a great service and you are saving money. Thank you for that. I do have one question, to the council member who it is this district I want to make sure you are good with this because that means a big deal to me. These are your constituents. Are you alright with this? SPEAKER: It is awesome they were able to do what they intended to do but still service. SPEAKER: Councilmember Dempsey if you are good with that I'm good with that. DAVID SANTIAGO: How come he never says that to me? SPEAKER: The one we did in Daytona you are good with. JEFFREY S BROWER: It is a bromance. All in favour of the new plan as presented say I? Any opposed? It is accepted good job. 7 to 0. Now we will do automate approval of agreement with Motorola Volusia KARISSA GREEN: For item 2 I believe it was Mr. Robbins was out of the room and I wanted to clarify his vote on item to, the consent agenda? JEFFREY S BROWER: It's unanimous. (LAUGHTER) JEFFREY S BROWER: Are you going to kick it off? SPEAKER: I will unless you want to. JEFFREY S BROWER: Go ahead. SPEAKER: We are here to seek the council's approval on agreement with Motorola solutions to implement and supply us with the new station alerting software. What this will do, if the agreement is to cover the backbone and connect all the fire stations, EMS stations and city municipality stations to central dispatch. The process really quick involved was, we had cooperation with all the County fire Chiefs, County procurement, County IT as well as dispatch and their staff as well as working through the store the end with Motorola. What this is doing is upgrading technology that we had and place for many years. It is upgrading an older system of station alerting and allow dispatch to get us out quicker, cut down on the time of processing calls and the tones. As well as getting our staff out of the station's faster. I have with me today Melissa (Name) from Motorola as well as Rob Richardson. They are both from Motorola and (Name) from IT which we have worked on this so if there are any questions we may have or more discussion, I did not want to share too much so they can answer some questions for you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you there was a question from Councilman Santiago? DAVID SANTIAGO: Can you break it down for me, why this is going to be better for the citizens and how it will make it quicker? I do not know your current system. I will set the platform for you. Today you get a call, someone called 911. What happens and then tomorrow when we get the system what happens differently SPEAKER: One thing I will tell you is right now currently we use what they call a step tones. If multiple units are going on a call we are sitting there from anywhere 225 to 40 seconds to listen to multiple tones going from every station before dispatcher starts talking. This new software's initial tone, all units will get notified at one time. There is even options in the system where every station will have a display board that immediately, the information comes up on the screen. We are sitting there for 20 to 40 seconds waiting for 5 to 7 different station tones to go off before dispatch can even communicate to us. It is cutting down a tremendous amount of time. DAVID SANTIAGO: When you say stacked homes… SPEAKER: It is multiple ... It will be multiple tones before we communicate where the communication is DAVID SANTIAGO: I am really interested in this to make sure. If a call is for station whatever 20. I will make it up. Station 20 today a call comes in and this tone that you are describing stars playing over the speaker system. And it will go through every stations tone. SPEAKER: If there are multiple units going to that call. Even if you are in a truck driving around, every structure fire we are going to, three fire trucks, ambulances DAVID SANTIAGO: Only those who go to the same call? SPEAKER: Every unit going to the same call. DAVID SANTIAGO: How often does that happen? SPEAKER: Every call we go to his multiple... Multiple units. It is also quicker. You can share more (indiscernible)? SPEAKER: My name is Trent (Name) I am the assistant manager for the County. Right now we are using really old, 15-year-old technology with two tones. DAVID SANTIAGO: 50-year-old people still work good. SPEAKER: I just turned 61. DAVID SANTIAGO: I'm joking. SPEAKER: The chief said if we have a big structure fire we have what is called a stacked call. It is driven by cat so it will send out to Tom's for one station and stacked two more on that for the next station. If you have five or six trucks going to a structure fire it can take a minute to tone out all the stations. DAVID SANTIAGO: How many structure fires do you dispatch a year? SPEAKER: Is a good question. DAVID SANTIAGO: And how many of those are multiple units? SPEAKER: We are not sure on the number of structures. DAVID SANTIAGO: 5% of the calls? SPEAKER: With the new system it can send out all the tones almost instantaneously within milliseconds. DAVID SANTIAGO: I'm telling you where I'm going with my concern new technologies good. I'm not a no or yes, I'm trying to learn here right now. But what I have learned, sorry Motorola. I do not want to say sorry because you guys are good. All these communication companies, every year we have this huge expense. They change something in the radio, they put a new switch and it and now we have to spend four more million dollars every year. Next year this software, we have 2.2 version and you will say we need $200,000 to upgrade to the 2.2 version. My vote to spend what was it? 2.5 million? SPEAKER: Plus the grants. DAVID SANTIAGO: What is our out-of-pocket for the County? SPEAKER: 3.5. Total. DAVID SANTIAGO: Where I am going with this is that, I want to be sure. We are talking 5% of the calls for structure fires that we send out multiple units to save 20 to 30 seconds and spend 3.5 million? You have to sell me. Now there are a lot of ambulances at fire stations, the year of its own separate callout whereas were no we do not have enough capacity the old system so they just hit a tone to alert them so that evac people have to listen to the radio all the time. Another good thing about this is new IP technology pull stations all the time. So if polling happens, stationers immediately. DAVID SANTIAGO: Was the yearly amount that we have to pay? There is no licensing that continues every year? SPEAKER: No. Then we have techs that work for me, we are going to self maintain it with Motorola's assistance. DAVID SANTIAGO: OK. That was my concerns. Because they are pretty good at changing things every year and spend more taxes and make more money. So thank you Mr. chair. JEFFREY S. BROWER: thank you. Counselman Robbins? DANNY ROBINS: A lot of the times when things are going south, is there a service that the Motorola maybe offers? Have we explored that live or trials? SPEAKER: Yes they will give us two licenses to see how it works out. They want to see if it works and that is something we will explore with Motorola. That is the recent conversation I had with Tim Morgan. And another part to your question, it also speeds up dispatch because Motorola technology has talk to text, text to text. So as the dispatcher puts the system in they're not even talking on the radio, it is automatically sending out the call so dispatcher still on the call of the call taker taking information, the system is it sending the call out so they do not have to put the person on hold. There's a lot involved in that. I did not mean to go in one direction. DAVID SANTIAGO: No that is helpful for me. It has turned me to another position. I just am worried that they want to focus every year. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Quick question, you said we are replacing a system that is 50 years old? A little bit of difference in technology. SPEAKER: There are opened up speakers. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Right. This also includes all the municipalities? It ties all of them together? SPEAKER: it ties at their station to dispatch. So whatever they want to do, any upgrades, that is on Motorola after this. While the county is doing is basically what we have in place right now. We are replacing that connection to the station and then anything they want to work out they will put in the contract with Motorola. -- All the county is doing. Yes it helps 61 locations. JEFFREY S. BROWER: That helps, thank you. I want to verify the numbers, it is 3.5 million but 1.7 of that comes from grants right? I am reading it… I guess it was a simple question. OK he will come up. Are there other questions? Jake? JAKE JOHANSSON: The name escapes me and I don't know why, but does this increase your, the county's ability to lowers people's insurance? SPEAKER: ISO, yes. JAKE JOHANSSON: To dig further into Mr. Santiago's question, in your opinion can you quantify how much it will decrease the response time? An average? 2-3 minutes? SPEAKER: What we're looking at is turn out times. Dispatch is trying to turn on all of our calls in less than 90 seconds. There are some that we are getting closer to two minutes because of the process times. This will help them get out of the stations faster. But once the training wheels come off, that is on us. As long as dispatch gets us moving out of the stations faster, the quicker they know where they are going the quicker they can roll the rules. SPEAKER: the reason I have a puzzle book is because for the next agenda item, the paved shoulders is great funded at 7.1 million. It is being funded with the coronavirus transition fund. Those are found during the pandemic that we were allowed to use for the public safety wage presumption. When we did that, all of the savings for corrections we transferred to this fund. So it has in essence been generated all from coronavirus money that we got. But it is not specifically half of a different grant or something, that is the next thing. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Alright thanks. Any other questions? Don Dempsey? DON DEMPSEY: Chief I'm curious, does this help our accreditation status? The ISO accreditation status? SPEAKER: It helps with ISO accreditation. We are in the process of starting up. And we are actually, ISO is scheduled to come in I think November. And right now, I don't want to make any promises, but I think we would be 3 easily since what we put in place and the last chief in transition. With the training and everything we have done. I'm afraid to go on record saying that but I'm confident we would be a three. If not I will come back and figure out how. JEFFREY S. BROWER: OK. Comments for vice chair Kent? TROY KENT: Thank you, I'm appreciative of Mr. Santiago's comments at the beginning because you are right, that has happened in the past. I have lived that life and seen it, and I'm glad you have clarified so that we will not see a big bill next year. My main comments come to chief king. If we have been here for 13 months, I think you have been here for 16 months or 15 months, and Megan I give credit to Mr. Recktenwald for making the decision … We heard them come and talk today about how positive things are for the fire department. And that does not just happen! That is a climate. That is your leadership. And I just want to publicly tell you I appreciate you more than I say. But thank you for that and thank you for bringing our technology up, because when you are in trouble and you need help, you need it now. And when we are talking about times that we want 90 seconds but we are looking at two or three minutes, this was the right call to do. Thank you. SPEAKER: I want to say quickly that I appreciate that. When I was (Unknown Name) as police chief, I said that that day. I said I feel right know I was put in the right place at the right time and I appreciate everything working with staff, being able to work with the County Manager and Deputy manager, I have had more fun then I had in the fire service and in a long time. I appreciate that. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Councilman Dempsey? Councilman Santiago? DAVID SANTIAGO: Motion to approve the deal with Motorola. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Motion from David, second from Matt Reinhart. All in favour say "Aye". Any opposed? Motion approved 7-0. Thank you very much. OK, item 9 will be postponed again at the request of FDOT. It is not quite ready so item 9 we will come back to. This brings us to item 10, the budget amendment reallocation of coronavirus local fiscal recovery fund of the American Rescue Plan act. SPEAKER: Good evening counsel, I'm Ryan, the chief financial officer. I have recommendation based on two different options that would occur today given that the pay scale was tabled for a future meeting. Our recommendation is for a modification of the vers budget amendment that was on page 10 – six and 10 – 7. For clarification, the page that says PACE the girls, we would have many relocated and we would keep some reserved so if we want in the future we can reallocate money. The reason why we postpone item 3 is the action of the schedule by amending this budget gets reported on every, the budget gets reported on every quarterly report that we do for this grant. We have many other projects that we are proposing amendments to moving funding round, including increasing funding for stormwater projects, increasing funding for the health insurance fund for covert related expenses, the broadband project that we do not need the funds on because the school board came in with the additional $2 million grant. So because of those other amendments I would like to make, that is why my recommendation is to still enact that one but just with the very last line change to reserves instead of PACE school. And moving former we would know how counsel wants to move and we can figure out where to go with the ARPA fund later and we would figure out what to do the budgets. SPEAKER: Thank you Chair man, move to remove with $2 million into the reserve. JEFFREY S. BROWER: Motion to approve as stated by our chief financial officer David Santiago seconded by Matt Reinhart. Any questions? Comments? All in favour say I. Any opposed? Reallocation is approved unanimously. Well you are still here for item 11, the five-year forecast taxing funds. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: As a county we are in the middle of putting together the budget. Part of the exercise we like to take a five-year look. Today we hope to come out of this with the direction that will help us finalize the budget, which will be coming to at the very next meeting in July. Our best estimate at this time, not everything is known and especially in the outer years (indiscernible) forecast. I would like people to pay attention to those other years because they are important. We can do things may be in a one year interval but they affect things two or three years out. And I do want to remind everyone that. Not all expenses are accounted for but we are pretty close. Things like sun rail for instance, you will see when we talk about the general fund that we have gotten to a point and we have pointed out sun rail as a separate expense. Not all of it only about half of it. But we do not know some of the numbers that will come out of that yet. It is our first year in and we are working with other entities to come up with that. Things like insurance are still a question on that. It could be a significant amount in the budget. In outer years as we forecast for son rail we do not know exactly if he will be asked to do nights and weekends and other changes that will cost more money. The other thing, we heard you in the capital discussion to start looking at ways to handle the courthouse requests from the judicial side. I think in our plan here we have contemplated away towards that. Not obviously the entire amount, will require debt. But debt will cost and when you are talking about this kind of money you would be talking to debt payment that could be greater then even sun rail. You are looking and then neighbourhood of nine or $10 million a year in debt payment. That is certainly significant. It would have to be factored in. I will turn it over to Erin and I may jump in to make a point. But again, this is we are getting close to the budget. This is our shot, looking at it. What we are going to look like over several years. Go ahead. JEFFREY S BROWER: I thought at the last meeting what we approved was to hire an architect to look at the buildings and determine if they can be refurbished? GEORGE RECKTENWALD: We are doing that. You will see where that is. But even that is not a small expense for something so big. That is contemplated here. SPEAKER: When they get to the general fund I will highlight that for you. I will try to be brief I am not going to go every slide, these were put out for you to review but there are some key points we have to touch on. I will not go over the structure, you have seen it before. The revenue assumptions are listed out for some of our bigger revenue sources and the percentages be increased for the upcoming year and the forecast years. Expenditure assumptions as well, you can see what our assumptions are there for those. Some of those are known for the 24/25 year and the forecast years are just assumptions based on trend. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: Let me stay on these expenditure assumptions, we worked with all the department heads and division heads to minimize wherever we could. These are targets. But a lot of things, they work with us and they are not all requests for sure are granted so to speak aligns up on the cutting room floor. Go ahead. JEFFREY S BROWER: I want to make sure I'm clear on the revenue assumptions. You have a percent for 25/26, but has the property appraiser confirmed not yet? -- 8% SPEAKER: Those are our assumptions. We know it has declined so the 10.6 to 10.9 is based on the preliminary numbers we got on June 1. We will get another set of preliminary numbers from the property appraiser July 1. Then in October he will finalize the role. Then you have the VA's EV process. So the final number will not be known until July. What you have is a 10.6 to 10.9% tax increase across layer taxing funds. That is down. The last year we were at 14% and 12% so we are declining. We are trying to forecast what those future years are going to look like based on that. SPEAKER: The property appraiser recently had his property values and talked about property values. I think the headlines you saw there were just value. We are looking at taxable value. There is definitely a difference there. Years ago, a couple of years ago we had a huge increase in just value but we did not have the increase in taxable value because everything is capped, the 10% cap on non-homestead properties. In essence you actually drag out that big bump we had a couple of years ago in just value. We do not see that all in one year. The taxable value kind of trails the just value. SPEAKER: Like George mentioned, we will go over the forecast today. These are only the taxing funds so these will not be the total budget because we have a lot of enterprise and other funds included. We are just talking about the taxing funds. I will not go over the spreadsheets although Councilman San Diego requested I read every number. I will not do that. DAVID SANTIAGO: Twice. SPEAKER: I will point out on this first slide, you see prior year fund balance sustainable. That $-5 million is still in the general fund. That is $5 million we are saying upfront, we will find savings next year. We are already accounting for $5 million lower than the budget then we actually are requesting from all the divisions. On the slide here you see the major capital - 48.5 million, right in the middle. That 48.5 million of major capital, we are using all fund balance. All one-time money. You see that in your reserves, how it goes from the 71 million that we adopted in 24. We had some good revenues some expenses come in lower we had some more fund balance in the fund. We are using 48 of that for the one-time capital and dropping the reserves down to 56 million for 24/25. The forecast you represented is a partial rollback to help offset the increase of some rail. When I say the increase, we plan a partial year because we thought we would be taking over earlier. The increased cost of son rail is $3.3 million. We are only offsetting the increase of son rail at the increased rate -- at the partial rollback rate. Is a rollback rate, you can see on the first light here the 3.598 down to the 3.2008. I mention the use of fund balance. We are forecasting to require a flat rate in fiscal year 25/26, next fiscal year. The last two fiscal years there is a potential for rate reduction depending on the east side judicial needs. I will flip back to this major capital here. Up above the subtotal, you see the east side judicial planning. We have programmed $5 million and 24/25 to begin the process. And we have $15 million and 26/27 for engineering needs if it gets to that level. The $5 million will get us started, any funding left over from that can be rolled into whatever project needs we have for that (indiscernible) The forecast fulfils Council direction to invest in the Eastside courthouse as I pointed out. We do address needs in the justice system, I will not read all those words. You already reviewed this. It is a fiscally responsible forecast that sets us up for continued successful maintaining a low rate that we have been working on for years. I can keep going to have refund unless you have a specific question. The law enforcement fund, you remember we enacted this last year and called it the Public Safety fund per Council's direction we changed it to law enforcement fund which will be printed on the trim notices. What's shown here is not a forecast because we are not trying to forecast the Sheriff's expenses. We are just trying to find his budget. What you see is a complete breakdown of how his budget is funded and he gives you the total Sheriff budget. He has other sources like grants that he gets which are listed out as well. You can see where that is not and where the millage rate will be for the law enforcement fund. It is presented at an increase millage rate of 1.591 which is 1.50 higher than 23/24 I will point out forecasted a slice increase when we were looking at the law-enforcement fund so we kind of saw this was potentially coming. (Name)... The reason I point this out is because you will see on the spreadsheet, the transfer from sales tax of $6.3 million. Transfer of sales tax covers the CRA pavements that the law enforcement fund has to make because it is a taxing fund. It has to pay in the CRA. Everything we levy in this fund is strictly for law enforcement. This is a history of the General fund millage rate you have seen this slide before. The only difference is the final two years of the law enforcement rate breaking out from the general fund. The tax is not levied it still is a number that includes the law enforcement and the general fund because it is hard to make a light comparison to all these years when we just broke up the law enforcement fund last year. You can see we have almost $300 million in (unknown term) taxes we have not levied if he kept a flat rate since fiscal year 2015. SPEAKER: I will brag as a county, I will be meeting my accounting manager friends next week at our annual get-together. They think we are nuts. We are one of the few counties that even attempt to do rollback on your rollback. To them rollback is just keeping the same rates. We will find that we have tumbled in the rankings, which is a good thing. We are down a lot lower than we used to be. This was because of a lot of hard work of the team we have, and I appreciate they have been able to be conservative and get us where we are at. SPEAKER: Then we move on to the Library fund, we are presenting at the estimated rollback rate. I say estimated because I'm calculating the estimated rollback rate and will not know it until the fun of valleys. We are representing it at an estimated rollback rate and includes the remaining funding to complete the Port Orange Library expansion project. It does fund additional positions for the Pearson Library operations. And we do have a use of fund balance or one-time money of $4.6 million to fund the remaining needs of the Port Orange Library expansion. The echo rate is… It does provide the 3 1/2 million dollars in funding for a new motorcross facility based on Council direction. We have included that all entirely in ECHO. Of course that will come back for a future boat if this was to be approved. $7 million is budgeted for fiscal year 24/25 grant cycle based on anticipated grant submissions and we have adequate reserves. I have the estimated rollback rate listed there. We do at one position to help increase the intake speed and processing of the Volusia forever acquisitions because we do have a large amount of federal funding that we are trying to leverage with our funding. We do need an additional person to help process the purchases quickly we have 11.6 in reserves because we look at the spreadsheet you will see in the reserve line. We do not budget for those land purchases because we do not want to set an expectation of how much we will buy that land for. We keep in reserves as we are negotiating and pull as youth as approved those purchases. We do have the 15% set aside for the forever land management operations of the $1.7 million. Municipal service District is presented here in a flat militage it is presented at a flat millage rate because I have the estimated growth that relisted there. The elimination of the communication service task the Council.... Voted last year we set up a time we would not be able to get to roll back in this fund if we were able to do that and so that is the case that (unknown term) taxes we are generating the MST is the unincorporated area and the Sheriff is the patrol agency for the are there is no law enforcement we generate $20 millio in the transfer of this portion is $24 million dollars. ... We do add one mosquito control inspector to be used primarily on the west side of the county and that mosquito control inspector will be reimbursed from municipalities he is working in as well as the unincorporated area on the west side of the county. Where Ponce De Leon, were presented at flight millage rate. We continue set aside for large-scale dredging projects which will create material beneficial for reuse on our beaches. And we have continued development of our offshore artificial reef system. And we have a small use of fund balance, one time identify the money of 814,000 the fund. Fire services is the next one where presented. Presented at flat millage rate for fire services fund. Does include large capital investments for the capital needs, and I have listed those out there. We doadd three firefighters to the operations to continue that growth in the fire that we have been working of the last couple years. This light gives you a good militarist tree what we have done for the last 10 years. You can see since 2021 which was the year we really went robot, or partial rollback in nearly every front. And since then we have been working hard to be at go back in as many funds as possible, or to reduce the rate year after year as much as we possibly can so we can see what's listed out there. This gives eaves and millage rate options summary. Kind of just gives you a summary where the rates were for 20 through 24. We recommend this rates be for 24/25. You can see the ones listed as possible back or go back. Silver/(Unknown Term) MST is the only one of the tax you will see a spread sheet for. Because that it's really just street lighting. The only reason we levy a tax there is for that area. It's only area that pays friend is only for street lighting, there's no other expenses that fund. In terms of next steps we are seeking any approval here today. We are seeking a direction Council would like to provide. We look at the final per luminary values on or before my first from the Property Appraiser. And we will be bringing back the recommended budget to counsel at the next meeting at the July 16 Council meeting for where we will set the tentative millage rates that will be presented on the trim notice, and you will get your budget hearings in September where we will do the public budget hearings. And with that we will take any questions or direction you might have. JEFFREY S BROWER: You mentioned the 5 million in the budget that our future cuts our savings at the next meeting? Or one of these budget meetings, really know what they are? SPEAKER: Basically what we're trying to account for for that 5 million is vacancies. We have turnover, we have retire, we don't fill the position right away. It takes time to one board somebody else we have savings from every time the person retire so every time a person leaves the organization. You also have to budget for the contracts that you currently have. A lot of times when a contract ends about to bid, sometimes we able to reduce results of that contract or make other changes to reduce the cost of what that operating expenses. So we are planning on those things happening. It's not any onset thing that reason, because we are going to reduce this." We are planning on being efficient in our operations when we are looking for new contracts or going back out to bid, or when we are trying to procure new services. Looking to get the lowest price that we can. And then on the personal side, it really is just vacancies as they turn over. In addition to that 5 million, we also have 36 decisions throughout the budget which we call attrition positions. Against the positions the authority to fill the position but we don't budget money for it. There's 24 positions and corrections that we see our tradition. We could fill the positions, then something stopping them from filling the positions, but we are not putting in them money in the budget for the 20 positions because they run higher vacancy rate. We use those attrition positions the havoc of the area so we don't have to overburden the budget with the personnel cost of that. And that is an additional savings as well in addition to the 5 million. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: a lot of places wouldn't do that, but we do it because we are confident in our team. We can find those savings have to make that happen. It kind of escape investors throughout the organization. Because they would know, I have three or four openings on the typically come. They cannot do this or that. I would say, well no because we have the $5 million you have to make. Before we can do that. So it sets the bar in the organization of say, hey, we are there to be conservative and do it with the least amount of money that we can. And again, we don't want to over budget, which would mean then overtax the people. We are going skinny and taking a chance. And we do have reserves, so that his risk I think we are willing to take. And if something goes haywire, we would be back to you during the year to say we did not anticipate this. Could be storm related. But I think we are in a good position to be able to do that. JEFFREY S BROWER: No storms, thank you. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: we would all hope, or hopes a crisscross of their places and not here. JEFFREY S BROWER: Counterman Santiago. DAVID SANTIAGO: Moved to approve as presented. Our mac motion to move to approve as presented by Councilman Santiago, second was by Vice-Chair Kent. Matt Reinhart. MATT REINHART: Thank you chair. I will hit on one thing. I was asked some questions about fire, and I see chief King looking up as soon as I said that. I commend you for doing that, because everybody points out like law enforcement. Law enforcement, you have to increase due to your population increasing. Obviously you have to service those areas, same thing happens with fire. So everyone kind of leaves them out of the loop there. So I commend the fact were able to at least do that because the stations that are in need of repair, station 15, the three additional people, I commend the fact that – it was spoken earlier today during public comment about the fact that we have three on a truck now. That's huge. And the fact that we can have paramedics on their as well. So it was more of a comment, then I thank you very much, because I thought that was going to go higher, sorry per shift. Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: That's good. Any other questions? Comments? Motion on the floor to approve as presented. All in favor say Aye. Opposed? And item 11 passes 7:0. Item 12 is a charter amendment discussion. SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman if I may since I suggested this item? To the Council, and I had to ask about this putting up an agenda to discuss. My motive was so that the Council can start looking at what historically has been done. I proposed as potential charter amendment questions, not advocating for any one in particular, but more for so we have the information as we lead into it. And unless Council wants to go into the details of all of those commodes going to ask staff to really give us an analysis, a break down of how the process is coming up with the charter required process for creating a committee of Zajko. Unless someone wants to go into the details of the file, I don't want to. So that was it. RUSS BROWN: Russ Brown, David County attorney, psyche Mr Chair and Council. With that as Mr Santiago said, we have the tenure track review comes up in 2026. The last one the county had was in 2016. According to your charter in sections 1303 of the charter, he talks about that process. You can start selecting people 18 months before the next general election. That is approximately May 2025 for the November 2026 election. I think the super Tuesday is November 3 is what I saw before I came up. So 18 months before that date. Traditionally, the last two charter review committees. Our charter requires us to have the number of people in our charter review committee as general law provides for a charter commission for non-charter counties. Looking at that statute in 125, you can have no less then 11 people and no more than 15. Our last two charter reviews have had if team total. If you actually go to volusia.org and type in charter on the search, we still have our old 2016 review up there. So you can see everybody's Atlas elected. You have an application losses that goes out, goes to the members of Council. Select the charter review commission. A review. There are three public meetings required to be held for public input. And they... You know, make the proposals within themselves. Majority votes. Comes to you. And you have to approve by two thirds. So 5/7 of the sitting members have to approve the amendments to put on the ballot for the reform. And with that, I will answer any questions if I missed anything. JEFFREY S BROWER: Councilman Johansson. JAKE JOHANSSON: Yes chairman, did we not last meeting discuss the importance of being quick in case we want to do a charter amendment to get it on this next ballot, and we asked about the timing. What's the latest? I said it might be too late, he said "Let's find out and take action if we need to." Now we are talking about 18 to 24 months down the road. If the intent is to do a charter review, and get us moving, then... Unless you change your mind? SPEAKER: I can answer, I took Mr Santiago's question to say to forgo what was asked so we could talk about the charter review commission in 2026. But if you wanted to put something on the referendum for November election you would have to have it by August 20. JAKE JOHANSSON: So we are backing off? Is that what I'm hearing? DAVID SANTIAGO: FMA Mr Chair? I guess you could essentially describe it that way, but I like to read body language. Reading body language from the last hearing, it seems like OK we will just hear about it. Just purely guessing from (Indiscernible) stuff I figure let's get the Council the information, and if someone wanted to latch onto something based on what was given to us then I'm open to the dialogue. Otherwise it's more informative to what's coming forward in 10 months will be decided? SPEAKER: May 2025. Santiago mac in 10 months we will be starting this election process. JAKE JOHANSSON: I am enough, that's all I have. JEFFREY S BROWER: Does nothing to approve unless you want to make a motion to accept his presentation. And (Unknown Term) I don't like we have to. We can go to the next item. JEFFREY S BROWER: You are now the resident expert on charter amendments. DAVID SANTIAGO: Thank you Russ. JEFFREY S BROWER: That includes all 12 items and moves us to the John Nicholson portion of our meeting. (Laughter) Oh and look! Public participation. John Nicholson. JOHN NICHOLSON: The going to feel badly when I drop dead. John Nicholson, Beachside. You also's article in Sunday's paper with regard to Beachside. I was having Breakfast it was about 4 o'clock in the morning. The staff looked at me and said is something wrong? I was so upset at the article it just... All the articles miss so much. Yes we have problems. Took out a piece of paper committed pro and con. 26 pro items that were not mentioned. 36, 38, non items that were not mentioned. I've already mentioned two of them. Field to mention the idea of Disney hurt our economy for stuff failed to mention the fact that integration with the emptying of our beachside, all the wealthy people left. Chopped up all those houses. All damage it does, and it wasn't mentioned. So, I'm not necessarily backing Danny, it's just the idea these things were missing. They didn't mention the Daytona grant. Daytona grant is a four sta. Hard rock is a four star, didn't bother to mention that. Bob Davis once told me would never ever get a four star in Daytona Beach. We were to that kind of a place. Well in about two more months we will get our third four-star. The Mary Renaissance will open up. Fantastic. You look at the diagrams? It's fantastic. They are now working on the Plaza again which will be a four star. Hopefully the Hilton will become a four-star. So having four, or five or 64 stars is going to drastically change the image of Daytona Beach. My neighbor of course was in the (Indiscernible) area where little stuffed my neighbor's house is 850, going from $200,000-$850,000 is an increase. They are building a house on the river at 1.3 million. The neighborhood has changed. When all of that happens, it will only be time before it starts moving south. None of that was mentioned. Daytona Beach is different. Someone showed up and said "I think her 10 years." They built all those tall buildings in front of my home. They were not here. Daytona Beach is different. It will even get better. I am asking you to realize when people talk negatively about Daytona Beach. Member there is good and bad with everything. The good is now outweighing the bad. Secondly, with regard to the (unknown term), I have a perfect solution. Move the field depot to the landfill. Move the motor cost to (unknown name). JEFFREY S BROWER: You are out of time and ideas! That brings us to staff final comments, Mr. County manager? GEORGE RECKTENWALD: A couple of positive things here. Ryan left the room. I want to let everyone know that my interest one Certified Governor Finance Officer for the year, for the state of Florida. That is surprising. (Applause) GEORGE RECKTENWALD: Well-deserved. Also, on a good news note, we do a random survey of the people who are customers and EMS. We have been doing this for some time. Just this month, we really knocked it out of the park and I want to give a shout out to them. We give a category of the very satisfied, satisfied, dissatisfied, very dissatisfied. Everyone was in the satisfied or very satisfied. 82% were very satisfied. That is a homoerotic month and I want to give a shout out that they achieve that. I know it was really hard to prove that. Lastly as I hear, hear some of the comments in the opening of the meeting. I did not hear anyone thanking the Council for advocating for that $10 million. I think we got more than we even asked for. It really started with the efficacy of this council to go to the state and make this happen. I think you guys deserve the credit for that, I am giving it to you. DAVID SANTIAGO: You were saying there was one must thank you in those presentations, is what you are saying? JEFFREY S BROWER: Did everybody understand that? GEORGE RECKTENWALD: We have two listeners, reading our newspapers. MICHAEL DYER: Early this week we sent you the legislative update. We are down to 13 bills we are tracking that have not been acting up yet (indiscernible) we will continue to keep you updated. Lastly, I know we discussed a little bit about our career source (indiscernible) merger with (unknown name) County. The existing organization may back needs a wind down committee to make some basic decisions at the close of business. Probably going to be a technical nature. We were talking internally if the Council can appointed (unknown name) to that position? Or whoever you would like. DAVID SANTIAGO: He's the right guy, he just got a reward. SPEAKER: Second. SPEAKER: Every reward gets a new committee. SPEAKER: That is what happens when you leave the room (Laughs)! SPEAKER: Do we have a motion to second? JEFFREY S BROWER: All in favor say I. Any opposed? SPEAKER: Thank you, good night. JEFFREY S BROWER: That brings us to counsel comments. Today's comment starts with Councilman Santiago. DAVID SANTIAGO: I want to vote for Max Reinhardt as the councilman for the day. He did a good job. That is all I have, good meeting. SPEAKER: Can you clarify who the second was on that motion Mr. Bower? JEFFREY S BROWER: Jake was a second? Okay Don Dempsey? DON DEMPSEY: (Indiscernible) JEFFREY S BROWER: You are good? This is putting pressure on everyone else. Councilman Johansson. JAKE JOHANSSON: The question George I have for you is that Small Steps Academy, they brought up some things about traffic and whatnot. The question I have was is it just a church and become a school? When did it become a school? I do not mean to put it back on them. I want to make her everything was done right. If it was done right, we have some stuff we need to do to make it right. I do not know. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: I do not know the whole history on top of my head. Typically you look at churches for instance. They have a lot of motion on one day. When we look at that from a traffic point of view, we often do not require turn lanes. Depending on the size of the church and expected amount. What does happen is when they add a school, I juggle that is the case here. All of a sudden they become something that is occurring a lot more. Many times in their original construction, they will have classrooms and things for their Sunday school. Then they decide to use them, and we would not know in that case, that they are changing values. They will not be building anything. That is one scenario. I will have been do not think he has talked to Jay a little bit about the specifics are and what we can or cannot do. SPEAKER: Our understanding is that it was originally a family came back to use per the city's jurisdiction. He got the change in use and it never came before us for the turn lane associated with the daycare. We done some research based on the folks came in in the last meeting. There have been two accidents in the last six years. One was a rear end and the other was someone waiting and someone tried to go around them, and there was an accident like that. I know the folks that came up spoke to wanting a school zone? That is not something that is doable for a daycare like that. There are some other things we can look at. Maybe some warning signs and that is what our traffic engineering staff is looking at right now. Once we complete that process, we can reach out to those folks. You have the contact information from last time, and that some improvement that can possibly be made to help out. JAKE JOHANSSON: Thanks, I appreciate them. JEFFREY S BROWER: I want to bring Jenny, is his district. I think in talking to the people, I do not think they are expecting a tournament at this point. I do not know if we need to go to FDOT or whoever about getting some signs. Denny, if you have more to add please do? SPEAKER: Is our road, so it would not go through FDOT. We do everything with compliance with the (unknown term). DANNY ROBINS: Chair, (unknown name) is right. I got an email a few months ago who sent it to Ben and his folks. Within a day we identified key factors in this. It was stuffed with the road, building and stuff. I share the same concerns as Mr. Johansson and Mr. Bower. At minimum I drives that road several times. Maybe something somewhere changed. If we can maybe get some signs or heads up, I think that would go a long way. JAKE JOHANSSON: The second thing I have Chairman, and on the eighth Central regional planning committee with Danny. They took a group today on their RTC, kind of a software. It is a think they have done with UCF. It is kind of like a software GIS map. It shows your risks and vulnerabilities for some of the high probability things that we do here in the county, or we get in the county. High winds, floods, tidal flooding, and whatnot. On areas that are of the most impact. When we look at talking about where we put our dollars for flooding. You can put different overlays on what is the most socioeconomically impacted area with the most water after a storm. You can pile all of that stuff on top of each other. Some guy at UCF did it in coordination with a Central Florida regional planning. It is a phenomenal tool. I know Clay and Ginger have looked at it and enjoy it. It is great for us as individuals to look at our properties and type in the address, and it will give you ideas on what you can do to make your current home area geographically more resilient. I think it is a great tool for us, possibly to use in the future. To take a look at our building codes, how we are asking people to build and where it may be our recommendation on counsel with staff help. To recommend maybe some building code, some adaptive techniques to say maybe that is the average - but right here we maybe need it a bit better. Stem walls instead of slam homes. Thinking the Outer Banks, everyone is out on stilts. Not that I want to go there here. It is a great tool, another staff has it. It is free. I am hoping they are able to utilize this tool. I hope George or Suzanne, you have at least been briefed on it if not, I hope you see it soon. For our decision-making process, I think it will help us out a lot. If you have time and get invited by the East Central Florida regional planning Council and take a brief on this tool, I suggest you give them half an hour or 45 minutes and take a look. It is pretty good. That is all I have sir. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you, Vice-Chair. TROY KENT: Counsel, if you ever second-guessing your decision. I do not think you were. If you ever second guess if we should have given George direction on how the ocean center operates to bring more pennies for our community, I am so pleased to tell you about the wildly successful evening Father's Day night at the ocean center. With Burge (unknown name) and his list of comedians. I call the box office late and go to tickets. There were 6900 people at the Ocean Center. The concession sales topped $150,000 in concessions alone. There were people from out of town eating in our restaurants, staying in our motels and hotels. Having a really great time. And we did it right here and Volusia County in Daytona Beach. And George, I'm going to ask you to put your foot onto gas pedal with us. We need more things like this at our Ocean Center. The bread and butter are the conventions, but we have 2 feet the people that live here with activities and events that they want to attend. And Lynn Flanders is a absolute professional. And her mind is on board with what this counsel directed you to tell her to do. Looks like you want to say something. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: I was at the event as were several others. We had a great time. And I will say, great job by everybody. Lynn knocked it out of the park. Meets in late decisions on how to handle things. Everything went really smooth. TROY KENT: The decision on where in the air-conditioned area to get everybody to go through those lines. It was an excellent decision. You know what she said to me? She said we learned our lesson with Katt Williams, whose coming back from what I understand. Is coming back. So she made adjustments. People weren't standing stagnant aligned. And the place was packed. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: It was buzzing. And that's big because that will help, as we put the pedal on the gas. You build on the successes. When they start here, they can fill a small arena, that is going to bring more people are ready. We look forward to more announcements in the future. They are going full bore. Thank you to the community for coming out in supporting it. So that's the other part, and we are real thankful. And you are right, the place was just buzzing. It was great. TROY KENT: The second thing is if my wife is listening online. I don't know why you are, go to something else. If you were listening, what is a happy anniversary. It's 19 years today. I know I'm not always easy to deal with, but neither are you. (Laughter) I'm kidding about that last part Heather. I was kidding about that last part! The am telling you, I don't think she's listening, it's what I can say that because I don't think she's listening. (Laughs) Is that strike one honey? It's not too soon? Honey, Don Dempsey knee is giving me his card to call you if needed. But in all seriousness, happy 19 year anniversary. It only feels like 20. Was the joke as well. (Laughter) No, seriously. Happy anniversary. And one heck of a week. Eight days ago I lost my sweet mother. And she watched me take my first breath into this world, and I watched her take her last. And I bring that up because I share anniversary with my parents, today is my parents 50th wedding anniversary, and momma missed it by eight days. I also bring that up because of the absolute love and kindness that my family and I have received. I received messages from most of you. And I've read them multiple times. They were heartfelt and caring. I received cards from people I hardly know. I received messages from employees in this county who I don't know well! And they said some very kind living things. And I just want you to know, it means more to me than you know. And Council I will tell you, there are people, I don't know if I want to consider them photos. But I wear my feelings on my sleeve, you know how if I like you, trust me you know. But if I don't like you, you know. And I get that from my mother. But, I like who likes me. And there are people in the community who I really feel like didn't like me, but I'm here to tell you. They sent me letters, and said things to me that guess what? I'm sold. I like you now. You say nice things about my mother. You're praying for my family. Were on the same team man. Thank you for that love and for sharing that with my family and me. It has meant more than you know. I even today got a letter in the mail from one of my former opponents during an election. Like, mind blowing. You know? I pulled my son over and said look at this. This is a good dude. This is a good guy. Look at what he wrote. Good dude. I told my son, be like that guy. Anyway, I won my first ever four-year term – not term, four-year election on Friday. I just want to say thank you to the residence of District 4 and Volusia County for entrusting me for four years and this rented seat. I'm very acutely aware it is a rented seat. And I'm here to represent you and to help make Volusia County better. And thank you for the opportunity. Have a nice night. JEFFREY S BROWER: Councilman Matt Reinhart. MATT REINHART: Thank you chare. Just a few things. First, happy anniversary. He didn't even hear me. I said happy anniversary. With the transformer 386, yes (Laughs). With it as it evolves and it gets to a point where we are going to start some of the construction part and harboring some of those individuals. I know we discussed the possibility of having a location for an office so to speak. Were ground zero, whatever. And my recommendation, because the majority of those applicants come from the Midtown area was to be on Quay Street in midtown if that's the desire of this Council, if they're OK with that or with you George. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: Are working on making sure we have offices in that area. (Unknown Term) Street is probably our prime. MATT REINHART: Thank you for bringing that up. Another thing, years ago there was a lot that was proposed and implemented with respect to the abuse of animals. And it's called contest law and was named after the nine month old black Labrador retriever named Ponce that was beaten to death. The New Look provided measures for agency stretches individuals as possible under the aggravated and mental -- animal cruelty statute and allowed the court system to impose more stringent jail time. But it gave the opportunity, (Unknown Name) was the person that was behind that. I commend her for her actions. I also commit estate are presented afflict for taking the legislation to the state to getting the law all done. She didn't stop there, go for the county, got with the clerk's office and created a database where those individuals had to be entered. I don't want to say registered, but it was only those that were convicted. And not knowing much, was the very first time they either set the parameters of it being five or 10 years that they would remain on that. However, the law itself stayed with your record, so didn't really make sense. So since then she has worked with someone up County indication of the same database. It doesn't cost them anything to stop she's trying to work through out the state to have that done. But Seminole County took it one step further. If they are entered in the database it is forever. And that, while just what it says. Forever. I would like to see if we can do the same if that's possible. I don't know if that is something we can do by taking it to a vote or putting it on a agenda item so we can discuss it further maybe? Would be a better idea? GEORGE RECKTENWALD: We can look at getting in on an upcoming meeting. MATT REINHART: She's offered her assistance stop GEORGE RECKTENWALD: I would like a chance to research what we did what we did. MATT REINHART: Is probably the best course. Thank you. SPEAKER: I think you're making that motion. MATT REINHART: I am making that motion to bring it back if that's possible. JEFFREY S BROWER: We have a second from David Santiago. Any questions? All in favor of putting it on the upcoming agenda say Aye. Anybody opposed? You will see it soon. MATT REINHART: Alright, thank you very much. There was the lady that brought up the Narcan issues this evening. I know this is the second or third time that she was here. I know we had a situation. She's very passionate about that. It was obvious she's passionate, but the people here to support her. It hit home a little. My, April of last year my brother died of an overdose. So I get it. We weren't as close, but I still miss him. But not to say Narcan would have assisted him because he was alone, but I think of how many people died as a result of it. The appearance thereof, probably not the most welcoming side, I get that. Should we... Can we get somebody in contact with her to maybe offer some locations to assist her? I don't know if County property is the answer, but maybe put her in contact with some individuals, private... **Audio lost** **Audio restored** SPEAKER: ... We've talked. There's some real dangers and putting... Narcan needs to be temperature controlled. I've asked, we've been talking to her since January on and off to find a solution. I've asked individuals applying for (Indiscernible) money to put Narcan betting machines as part of their ask. What if the applicant is included to in this first round of funding for stuff that's foundation of freedom. Foundations to Freedom was not stable to one on the website. Re-looking for another opportunity. They would have one on the set, looking for a location. SPEAKER: Volusia recovery alliance? SPEAKER: Volusia recovery alliance. Ms. Jean has formed a nonprofit. She can access them of that will be your 20s, my recognition is to have her come has to hear me as a lead partner. She would have an opportunity place some of those vending machines where they are supplied by a private vendor. So for example, this is to protect the county. If we put it out there and are not temperature controlling it, and what if someone goes to use when it is not there. Of course we have deep pockets and it has opened us up to some litigious society. Let's be honest. So we have creative part is academic, that's the first... MATT REINHART: That's what I thought, we could put her in contact with that. I wasn't aware you were in touch with her. SPEAKER: We talked, we texted over the weekend. MATT REINHART: Thank you very much, that answers my question with that. The last thing, last meeting I wasn't sure due to an illness. They meeting before that I didn't mention the jail one time. Well guess what? Parties over. DAVID SANTIAGO: Matt have voted you Council member of the day. MATT REINHART: I know, now I get to do that. I would like to, just curious, is the inmate work. I know a lot of that was put on hold before, as we talk about, as we go into the next year. I know staffing was the biggest issue. I know that is getting better. I know we have a project on the horizon with suspect to the green houses to help with the beach restoration. With that... Yes the plans and whatnot. And also... I don't want to leave that work program, or the farm, or any of those other ideas out there never to be hit on again. I don't want to take anything away from previous Council because I know Mr Robins he would come up with the sustenance fees with respect to jailhouse income I don't know where the money is going to be utilized for. Is that something that can help with that endeavor? Can we bring that back to the agenda to be able to discuss it? GEORGE RECKTENWALD: I'm not so sure that's necessary. We are already working on those groups. I will get a report from Joe. It's really been a staffing issue. MATT REINHART: It has, I know. That's why I brought it up. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: As he gets the staff, advocate, as you know the ossified inmates. Do but, we can fill out more work approved trucks. Because there's more work out there then there are people. MATT REINHART: Soren we are still getting asked. You and I have the discussion. Daytona was asking for some assistance to help with some of the area clean up. Some of it can be done. You have a lot of compound we do not utilize. There are a lot of fertilized areas we do not use, we can take advantage of that. There's a lot of property out there that has been unfenced or too fenced. It would have to start out with minimal custody. That is an issue because we have good diversion programs that are in place. You cannot have them both. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: One time I know we were running somewhere in a neighborhood of 12 crews coming out of there. It was a supply of inmates because of classification issues. That started dwindling. Also good use of inmates in the facility. It cannot be in two places at once. A lot of the maintenance of the facility itself. As we get back, it is my goal, we have heard you guys. We are working towards putting more of it back out on the street. MATT REINHART: The only reason I brought up the farm issue up - when I first got up to counsel, I wanted to find my expertise and ways to reduce cost of one of your biggest theaters. I will say it again, food cost. If you can reduce food cost, absolutely it saves taxpayer as well. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: We capture the hogs… MATT REINHART: That is all I had, thank you very much. DANNY ROBINS: Thank you Chair. I will try to be as quick as possible. Even though it is not in my district, I appreciate people who came out today from (unknown name) Beach concerned about the funeral deeply. At our earliest convenience, County Attorney and County manager, can we get some bill clarification. I think there is some misunderstanding. Is there something we can put out there? As I understand it, we have to remember that we are at the mercy of the landowner. From what I understand. To make a decision, it was broadcasted today a little bit that we need to do this and do this now. I just want to get some concrete information out there to be transparent and whatnot, if we can do that so that we are all on the same page. I wrote down some notes here. July 12, 2024, NOA fisheries announced the one day of red snapper season this year for the waters. I do not know if this is even feasible, this goes towards our coastal. We have a lot of derelict vessels and stuff. I was wondering if we can start repurchasing those and creating any new offshore groups within that 3 miles. Any new tire reselect the counties did years ago? Or repurchasing some concrete Jersey barriers of our own and creating our own habitat? SPEAKER: One of the conditions of the state's funding is that we cannot repurpose or salvage the vessel, we have to dispose of it. If it is creative, if it is a full steel whole ship, yes. We do not have a lot of steel whole ships in Halifax, new Google, or St. John's. Majority of what you are finding or fiberglass junk sailboats is will be attended to. You to scuttle them, pull the plastics, pull the boat, it should be strictly metal to go down. We are working through our offshore fishing attraction device (unknown term), which we are excited about. We are then going to lean heavy into replenishing the additional 2.9 mile groups that allow you to have snapper three 3065 days a year the state of Florida. DANNY ROBINS: A lot of people do not realize in Volusia, the recreational boating and fishing industry, that is what they live for. It is thousands upon thousands of people down there. I know they would appreciate anything we can do to support that recreational land. Thank you Jessica for that. Years ago we used to do the big tire reads, not anymore? Okay. I will not go there, than. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: We are frowned upon the tire thing. In the Jersey area, we collect concrete structures and that has been our staple. Things like boxes and pipes that create spaces that are highly desirable. DANNY ROBINS: I like it. A couple weeks ago shout out to Ben, where is Ben? Then, I will probably need you for two seconds if that is okay. Happy birthday. Council, I would say about a month or two ago, I met with a bunch of people out in Daytona Park Estates. I also received a lot of emails just in preparation for hurricane season. I think it's a couple years ago where we went out there and gave an update. We had about 75 people. It is no secret that they have some issues out there. We are limited by, I guess it is by law or policy. We also have limitations on what we can do and provide with public funds due to their circumstance. What I am looking to is bring something in front of council. I should not say it is getting hostile or more toxic, there's just a lot of misinformation out there. Several weeks ago I requested some information. Then you did a good job, I put it out there. I was then dragged through the street and crucified for providing that information. You are 110% right. There's a lot of misinformation. This political season, information is all over the place. Can we bring something back here on the record as an informational? I think there also going to be some people coming in to talk about it. But also to let Council know where we stand in the situation and issues that they are facing. And if there is anything we can do? I know we received the Transform 368 money to give folks an idea if any of that money can be applied, or if we can take a vote to allocate money to them? I do not know how that would work. I would like for something to go on record here. Give people an opportunity to speak and also lobby their council for some help if we are legally able to. SPEAKER: Real quick on that play, provided was one that information. I do not want to take credit from (unknown name). We can absolutely do that. Daytona Park Estates is unique and what is going on out there. They are expecting a lot of construction in terms of houses being built in areas where there were not a lot before. We can provide a lot of information as to why things are the way they are. What options do we have do those things? DANNY ROBINS: That would be great. I hate to put you through that again. It is time that we have to put something on the record, that is how that is getting out there. They do have valid concerns. The draining the storm water, they want to know why the houses are so high. A lot of this stuff needs to be clarified, what is in our control and what is not. Also like I said, I would like the opportunity for the Council to hear that and see if we can apply any funds, these ARPA funds that we have left over to help folks in the future. I would like to make a motion to bring back in the future. Chair what would you think about that. I would like to have a presentation in what we can do in terms of stormwater, to help in history in terms of drain water. SPEAKER: That is one of the areas we are going to see where we have a protein list in the next meeting, when we come back with the increase on the non-affluent assessment (indiscernible). That is in one of the areas we are going to study. We did a previous study in Daytona Park Estates, considering all the building that is going out there. There is one thing we will definitely be looking at. DANNY ROBINS: I think it is time. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: If possible, I would like to get that study before we come back. I just want you to think we are not following up. We just have a lot to say. We can give a presentation on the conditions. But if you want some science behind it, you should do the study. DANNY ROBINS: How long do you think that study? How involved is it? SPEAKER: They are not sure. They take a well. That is a small area we want to drill down on DDE. We could do a lot quicker than we would with bigger base studies. Going from getting the engineer on board and collecting the data, six months maybe a little longer? DANNY ROBINS: That is fine and dandy. George and I want to symbolize this as best we can. I still think we know enough about this area. This is not a new issue, it has been around for years. If we can just get something back on the next one or two agendas, I think it would go a long way. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: We can get some stuff back on the current conditions. I do not know for thinking about solutions. That takes time. If you want something on the current conditions, we can probably do something in August. DANNY ROBINS: Let us start there, thank you. SPEAKER: We have a motion on the floor, Councilman Robbins second by Jay to bring back information of current conditions in Daytona Park Estate area. JAKE JOHANSSON: Have a quick question from then before we vote. Whatever you bring back, can you give us the history of the place too? I think it is private property with private infrastructure, private routes? SPEAKER: Just some of that. History is important. JAKE JOHANSSON: Major is all in there. DANNY ROBINS: I am sorry, the email you sent out to us, make sure all council has back beforehand. That way we are aware of all that beforehand. JEFFREY S BROWER: All in favor say Aye. Any opposed? All in favor, 7-0. JEFFREY S BROWER: On June 8 it was my 38th anniversary. Learning from vice chair Kent, it seems like yesterday when I married. Nine children and 12 grandchildren later. We are opening a cove on the page for Christmas this year. It has been a blessing. Ocean center, glad you brought it up. Vice-Chair Kent, demonstrates two things that you already said. Our new director staff there is doing a great job. Also demonstrated a huge interest from the public on entertainment events. Not to stop anything else, because the ocean center does quite well. There is a lot of public interest for these offense and I would say we need to get Chris Stapleton there as quickly as possible. Do you want to vote on that? It was about upcoming EMS, firefighters, budget. Staff you have worked hard on those things. I think getting workstations forever EMS employees even goes back to the previous Council. We have made tremendous progress on that. Our employees seem to be happy. They like seeing the progress. Firefighters. It's not insignificant today that the president of the union came in and gave staff and Council a glowing report. It was no small feat to get three people and the station. It keeps the public safer but also guarantees we all go home safe at the end of the day when there is a bad fire. And I just wanted to say, besides staff. He worked really hard. This entire Council has pushed hard for reducing the budget wherever we can, but not doing it in ways that are haphazard or dangerous. Public safety is a priority for this Council. So I think all of you deserve some credit as well for what we've been able to accomplish there. I had a meeting at the request of some neighbors. Chiefly... Excuse me. Jack Driscoll who is synonymous with Beach Safety. Asked me to come meet with a group of neighbors just east of mainland high school. And I did that with, it was the neighbors and the school board. And it was very productive. The school board worked well. The neighbors weren't happy. There is flooding in the neighborhood just east of the high school now that it's been rebuilt. It's higher than the surrounding neighborhoods. There are some issues with retention ponds. The school board had gone out and hired independent engineering company to look at it. Came up with what they believe the problem is. And so now they will attempt to get the City of Daytona Beach involved in it so there's actually an outlet for the overflow that goes to sewage instead of the neighborhood. I bring that up because it was a productive meeting. It was a time, although it wasn't the whole Council. The school board was glad to see someone from the County Council there working with them. You have those pictures? I have some pictures, they make I'm glad you're here. These are some pictures from the beach. I have some questions, these were not complaints. Just questions of jurisdiction. Since the Ocean Center is busy and popular, since we are going into the busiest time of the season. I think this is the Plaza. We keep hearing it said, especially by Mr. Kent. We need to improve beautiful... Who is responsible? Would it be the resort? The Plaza? Oryza County for taking care of trash and buildup of sand along the beach approach? SPEAKER: So at this particular location, it's a little unique because it's our beach ramp. The Plaza, their building essentially encompassing (Indiscernible). Since Hurricane Ian this facility has essentially been abandoned. It is not being used at all. In the past the Plaza has done the maintenance in the area and kept it very tidy. Ultimately the area is basically within the wall they are. Our our P-trap, and we can go in there and clean that up, that's something we can definitely do. Something that needs to be done. It's frustrating. Obviously there is graffiti and everything around her. There's areas of the property that have fallen into disrepair because they haven't been maintained in two years, but there's definitely some work for us to do in that area. JEFFREY S BROWER: OK, stay right there. I think you just touched on most of the other photos. Yes, that's just the other side. Stop there a second. So for other beach approaches, and it's interesting what you said about the Plaza. I don't know if it's abandoned, but there's nobody there. There's other beach approaches with resorts that are being rebuilt, and their trash is everywhere. They are to picking it up. This thought Falana's as well? SPEAKER: If it is in our beach ramp right away it is. And we do that regularly. Now Clay can speak to some of the issues. I know his folks have been out specifically with this location. Has been some issues with debris on the beach, I think there is ordination with the city on some code (Indiscernible). SPEAKER: Anything on the beach is identified as debris. Utilizing code enforcement to identify both through construction and just basically damage that still may be surfacing from the storms. We typically are going through the process of asking the property owner to work with us. If they don't, (Indiscernible)'s and violations. We work with our total control folks who are Beth Leiber and EAI because they are out there earlier than anyone else. And identify if any of the contractors are doing things that is not acceptable. Because again one of the main things we want to do is make sure DEP and (Indiscernible) you see are happy with us as we are trying to ensure protection of turtles during nesting season while still allowing construction. So we are taking the pre-issue very seriously. This is something we're working with the city of Daytona Beach. Then asked about this today. What we are doing. So if it's on the beach, that's where Aaron Perrault who is one of R Code enforcement officers is aware of all of this. This notices of violations on both surrounding properties. As we are coordinating with Daytona Beach because they would have the code enforcement for the upland portion. JEFFREY S BROWER: This particular slide, it's also with the Plaza, is that a utility company pull? It's a streetlight. It's been on that wall for a couple years. Can we get the utility company to come and take it away? SPEAKER: We can reach out to FPNL. I don't know if we are to have. If they won't remove it because it's leaning on private property. JEFFREY S BROWER: Seriously? SPEAKER: I don't know if you reached out to them or not. TROY KENT: Terminology to this, I know you got those pictures. That's because thousand words. It's been sitting there so long. Some metal rod that's popped through it and it is resting down the side of it. I mean come on. JEFFREY S BROWER: So if Matt and I going to push it down the wall, will they remove it? SPEAKER: You can realize when you're dealing with storm debris committee will be able to speak better to with and I will. But the fact is what can be removed can be compensated by FEMA, then we basically look at what's private property debris. And that's where FEMA will not necessarily reimburse us. That is why over the last several years, one of the things her code enforcement officers have been dealing with is debris from the upland as it has shown up on the beach, and being able to get it removed without jeopardizing reimbursement from FEMA. So yes, we are going in there and we are citing repartee owners. We are taking them through code enforcement. And again, this is something I will have to double check on what the status is on this particular one. If we've reached out to FPL or still trying to work with the property owner trying to get (away from mic). JEFFREY S BROWER: I don't know if the property owners here but you can still reach... It's been two years, I assumed the utility company would remove it a long time ago, but I was wrong. SPEAKER: We can definitely reach out to them and get that information. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you. I think the rest of them, let's flip through them real quick. You've already mentioned, this was graffiti I think we covered up. In the Plaza entrance doors graffiti on doors and walls. Is that plazas this possibility? SPEAKER: Yeah. JEFFREY S BROWER: Is unique because it's our approach but it's there building that encompasses it. Like you just said. However on the seawall, south of the Plaza, there is... SPEAKER: There was a vulgar word that was written there. We just took care of that one. JEFFREY S BROWER: Just went down there was some white spray paint. SPEAKER: (Away from mic) JEFFREY S BROWER: Go ahead, can you advance one more? The other one, that's the construction site I think. Clay. I think it's University, whatever that... Is there one more? OK. David Santiago, he wanted to add to this? DAVID SANTIAGO: Thank you Mr Chair, thank you for bringing this up. Can you go back to the other slide? JEFFREY S BROWER: Can you beat that? DAVID SANTIAGO: Does that say Matt Reinhart 2024? (Laughter) I do have something serious, I had to make a funny, it's getting late. (Multiple speakers) JEFFREY S BROWER: (Indiscernible) want to be a firefighter is what it says. DAVID SANTIAGO: On a serious note am glad you brought this up. I data drive by the beach was one of our staffers a few years ago. I was appalled by what I saw. I know Clay you said there was enforcement going on. But those hotel years across also cities are charging some of the highest rates they have in decades. And so they are making money. There should be no excuse for them to be investing and fixing the properties. That's just my opinion. But I am of the opinion also that we need to go in there and lay down the law. Because we've talked about the appearance across the whole coastal area. And we need to hold everybody to a higher standard. I am supportive of making sure we back our staff to go in there and apply our code stringently on that beach. We need to improve that area. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: And we do the best we can. But remember the buildings are in the city. So... DAVID SANTIAGO: I'm with you. We have to partner with them. Your success is our success. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: Exactly post up JEFFREY S BROWER: Is the seaward side of the seawall? Whose Response Ability is that? The resort? SPEAKER: Owners of the seawall. SPEAKER: We have an internal policy if there's a masonry wall I just met on our property line will go ahead and take a paint chip and match the paint chip and try to match as best we can the color of the masonry wall, whether it's ours with somebody else's. Painting over a door tends to have some liability on it. And removing a large concrete structure off of a private seawall from to third parties that also have some liability on it. It takes a lot of pain and care to try to paint what we can. I tried to get rid of a lot of the graffiti, we work closely with the law enforcement agencies out there to document the graffiti. We track our time, tracker materials. I recognize the Daytona graffiti, and who they are. The dope guy has been arrested before. We have been able to pull our records on how many times that's gone out and covered up his tag. And we been able to get reimbursement to the court system. So we document to the Sheriff's office, we keep records of these graffiti artists. But if it's extremely profane, we will take it upon ourselves to go cover it up immediately as soon as we notice it. That's across the board from Beach Safety, to shift to the confessions. I put the word out. If you see it, tell me, I will take care of it was in the day. DAVID SANTIAGO: On that pole, look right about the cost. The cost of the late Rick for a (Indiscernible) to have our staff spent two hours and pulled it off. I say spend it. JEFFREY S BROWER: The fact it fell on private property. SPEAKER: That's the issue, the cost is not the issue. The issue what she said. It's Lane, a private holding on private property. The just like the lady we had to deal with earlier. Mr. to get into going on private property. With government enforcement. It's a whole different can of worms. DAVID SANTIAGO: It still code enforcement issue. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: It is a long process we will go through, leaned the property into it. DAVID SANTIAGO: I think staff gets it. SPEAKER: It depends, it may be a city issue if it's within City of Daytona Beach for example. That'll, that's outside our beach map. JEFFREY S BROWER: What happened of the hurricane, I don't private property owner wanted there. I'm sure they'd be happy for us to remove it. TROY KENT: Chairman, may I? TROY KENT: This is why people get frustrated with government. I am not blaming staff, because the architect of the county. I get it. That is my direst job. Protect the County of Volusia and protect his councilmembers, that is his job, number one. That Paul is hanging over a public beach ramp. If it was a tree, you could cut that tree limb off so that it negatively impacts your house or property. I am with you, I am with you, and I am with you. Those of you who said we need to move quicker on this. There is a cost associated with looking at that blight as long as we have. If you are not down there looking at it, it is quick to get out of your mind. You are a visitor to this area and you see that. It just burns in your brain. That is what it is. Your pictures were impactful and they spoke a thousand words to me tonight. MATT REINHART: Thank you capture, we do not know the answer to this. I know it is the city and a code issue. I know the Plaza has been vacant. You know how to get in contact with the pot at all, the owners? All this is someone still owns the property. What is their intent? Every time I have ever asked a question, no one seems to know what the owners of the Plaza and to do without building. GEORGE RECKTENWALD: I know the city knows how and the city code enforcement. A phone call can be made to the city to find out what are you doing with it? MATT REINHART: Is that where that pole is at? The Plaza and the door? SPEAKER: This is what it looked like before. If you could go, this is that same university we were at today. That is the hotel you were referencing as being constructed. We do have a refurbishment project for this ramp that is about a month or so away from going to bid. It will clean up a lot of what we control what is basically fences. That fence belongs to the adjacent property owner. Our ramp, we essentially refurbished, rebuilt, it will not look like this shortly. This has been in the works as a capital project for some time. It is fixing a little bit and construction programs funded for this currently. SPEAKER: Do you know if that is still under construction or have they abandoned the project? Is it still going on? SPEAKER: That is how a checkbook. SPEAKER: That was January 2019. Obviously a large portion of the building being sent to abandoned, it has fallen into disrepair. SPEAKER: Take Johansson. JAKE JOHANSSON: Taking a look at this picture, he said this ramp is getting redone. We are talking about the plight and we are sick of looking at it. I do not know about the light pole problem. Can we fence that fence, temporarily at least? SPEAKER: We can. We can do it on our property. JAKE JOHANSSON: Something temporary and nicer that is a foot taller than five. SPEAKER: Is that an active site over there? SPEAKER: That fence will be gone when they open it up. SPEAKER: Ideally what I would like to do is reach out to the city and have them get with the property manager. JAKE JOHANSSON: For that, let me know how that goes. Jessica the creative one can come up with a way to make that pole look like a unicorn or something (Laughs). Painted white. Thank you. JEFFREY S BROWER: Thank you Ben, Jessica, everybody. One more quick item. Truly already brought this on. It did not dawn on me until he said it. I was going to tell you congratulations on your reelection. It is the first four-year term. It is a big deal, congratulations. The last thing tonight, while we are here, is the Juneteenth dinner at (unknown name). We were asked to do a proclamation which the Council approved. We are not there because we are here. I wanted to let you know that, probably at this point, was read into the record at the Juneteenth celebration by Daytona Beach City. They understood we would be here. He read it and told everybody that is why we are not there, we are here. It is a significant holiday. It is the time when a Republican President Abraham Lincoln ended slavery and took a little while to do it. But it is an important celebration for America. (unknown name) thank you for getting the proclamation done, it did not go to waste. It was red there tonight. With that we are adjourned at 9:21. JAKE JOHANSSON: Quick question. When we approve that? SPEAKER: It was today under (indiscernible). JAKE JOHANSSON: It was today? When did we present it? What was the agreement? We put ourselves in the place and doing it the same day. JEFFREY S BROWER: B needed to get preapproved. I thought she did that by email. JAKE JOHANSSON: What I am getting at Councilman, as things, but we want to proclaim for everybody. I think we take heads up to look ahead. Look at July and August. If you want to do a preparation for somebody, let us try to be a little advanced on it. JEFFREY S BROWER: They called on Friday and asked if we would do it. We do not get as much advance notice. We did it every year and it was not much of an issue. JAKE JOHANSSON: George, when we do it every year, can we put it on March's scheduled to do the Juneteenth proclamation approval for June. A couple months early? It is not that hard. JEFFREY S BROWER: And we are adjourned at 9:23. [MEETING ADJOURNED 9:23 PM]