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SPEAKER: 
Welcome to the Volusia County Council meeting, the meeting will begin in two minutes. 
 
JEFFERY SMITH: 
Test, if everyone wants to find a seat we will get started in a few seconds. Is Peter in the room? OK. 
 
Hold on one second, I was just making sure you are here, it's good to see you! Thank you for coming. That's alright. 
 
We will call the August 6 Volusia County Council meeting to order at 9:01 AM and we will start the way we always start, and just a few seconds we will have an indication by Pastor Peter Migner with DeLand Church of the Nazarene, and then we will all stand, if you care to, for the Pledge of Allegiance. If you are a member of a faith group who would like to take part in the invocation, any council meeting day, please send an email to Kgreen@volusia.org and she will get you all set up. All faiths are welcome. So if you care to stand we will start with the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. 
 
SPEAKER: 
God, it's good to start our day of business seeking you. We live in a time and a season where we realize how much more we need you than ever. We pray Lord for this counsel, for these citizens gathered here today, that we would draw our wisdom from the things we know. From God's word, from God, you, yourself. We pray that your wisdom and your guidance will guide our hearts and minds to do the things and make decisions is best for the entire community. So bless these councilmembers today in the name of Jesus (indiscernible) amen. 
 
ALL: 
(Pledge of Allegiance) 
 
JEFFERY BROWER: 
Karissa would you call the roll please? 
 
KARISSA GREEN: 
(Calls role) 
 
JEFFERY BROWER: 
We have all in attendance, to have any public comments? 
 
OK you can come to the front here, if you tell us where you're from, not your entire address for safety purposes, but your representative would like to know what part of the county you are from. You will have three minutes to speak, there's a timer on the monitor there, a timer on the big screen over my head, three minutes, we will ask you to move on. We've got a lot of people that want to speak this morning. We are glad you are here, though, to speak to all of your representatives. This is an important function of government. 
 
So first, nobody ever wants to be first, but the first is Mike (unknown name). 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good morning, my name is Mike (unknown name), my wife Lydia and I live in (address) we are proud residents of unincorporated Volusia County and (indiscernible) subject to its local plan. Adopted into the county's copperheads of plan in 2009 to preserve our rural way of life. We've been in the same home for 37 years making family, and we own a small farm a few blocks away. We moved out there because of the quiet count -- country atmosphere but… The city (indiscernible) 
 
Close to 1000 homes and apartments but not before raising the land by 6 to 8 feet to prevent it from flooding. Imagine that? Well all the water that fell on that land for thousands of years being absorbed into the ecosystem must now go elsewhere. Since then our properties and homes have flooded no less than nine times and I'm not just talking about Hurricane Ian. When we have 3 to 4 feet of water flowing west from… South from Westport and towns west of our properties and buildings causing hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage, and yes, not a flood zone. 
 
Our neighbors to the north were uninsured and they were gutted. A week later Mike went into cardiac arrest and was in rehab for six months, has not fully recovered. His caretaker has since had two heart attacks. We've engaged the city and County for help… (indiscernible) applying the court enforcement methodology to get the area drainage cleaned out as it has not been maintained since the development was built. We were promised a 1 acre buffer, when we approached the city about the quickening, while I can now sit on my pool deck and see second stories of houses staring down at us. We also understand a piece property at 1984 point such a drive totaling (indiscernible) acres (indiscernible) 100 apartments there. That property is in the county, and it does not fall into compliance. 
 
Our village consists of over 800 families and properties of one mind. To preserve our rural way of life (indiscernible) we stopped (indiscernible) and we stopped the motocross track and we will continue to stop land-use changes for convenience stores – changes or any developer that do not conform. If you want to do something constructive over the property across the street from us, it was purchased by (unknown term) at a gate was promptly placed on the property. It is opened only radio control flyers and hunters. Open it to everybody for low and open impact uses such as hiking, walking, and visiting nature. Call it the (unknown term) preserve and it would be a great use of the land. We also don't plan on helping poor orange expanded tax (indiscernible) I'm letting you know now we are organized and more than willing to help and work with you and staff to preserve the natural beauty of our village, I'm also here to let you know that we will turn out to meetings, town halls, and workshops, and we will be watching for every notice, advertisement, and poster, and we will be there, making our voices heard and making sure we uphold (indiscernible) 
 
Thank you. 
 
 
 
JEFFERY SMITH: 
John Nicholson. 
 
SPEAKER: 
A couple of things, let me hit first, the gentleman spoke first about opening land across from him. I would be very careful, I don't like the idea of guns, and people walking, at the same time. I'm very aware of hunters shooting other people accidentally, I don't want to do that, so be very careful if you should do that. Secondly on growth, first on my list as I was at a leisure services meeting and someone active in the city complained about the water and flooding in (unknown term). 
 
Now, that was marshland, they put (indiscernible) on and guess what, it's flooding? So a lot of the older areas are flooding, right now downtown there putting in apartments, raising the ground, and what's going to happen to all the surrounding areas around it? Right? So I ask if at some point, I know Clay keeps coming up and saying, "no no, all the water is going to stay on the property," but I have not been proven that it would. So I may ask you to look at that, because I think we are going to have a drastic problem in the future. 
 
And reefs, we were promised a meeting on reefs offshore, (indiscernible) with all of our seawalls I'm absently positive having some kind of breakage, reefs of some sort, offshore, would've prevented that. So if we haven't had that meeting yet I would ask we do that, and look seriously into that because the storms are gonna come whether we like it or not. 
 
I want you to pay attention to A1A, what's proposed is ugly. I'm telling you, we are a tourist destination, we want to look at something nice, and to have 8000 yellow signs down A1A is not attractive. They're planning on taking all the trees out between (unknown term) and (unknown term) Beach. That's not a nice look. Having 80 yellow signs for people crossing the street? Six times down A1A is not going to be attractive. All you have to goes! All you have to do is go into (indiscernible) and then for two city blocks all you see is yellow signs and crosswalks. It's not an eyesight. So I'm asking you, because Daytona Beach tourism is such a valuable asset to us, we can't neglect and not look at it. So I'm asking just to pay attention, because I don't because a good look. She also wants to put the standard, those bollards, at every intersection. 120 per intersection. 
 
We have these big electrical things, people have to walk onto A1A to get around it so I'm asking you to take a serious look. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Thank you, Connie? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good morning, Connie (unknown name), Ormond Beach, I had some videos to put up there but… The property at Belvidere is full of wetlands and a plot of tree cover. An environmental study done for the Avery group counted 18,000 trees on this property. Tree removal was addressed in February 2 at 2/4 conceptual plan submitted to the county buried in places it's hard to find, a lot of clicking to get to it. In the case of the trees some of the pictures are also missing. 
 
An electronic submission to the department in January states that there are 10,222 yd.³ of fill port into this location, some of that Phil is supposed to be coming from either Port Orange, Webster Creek, Lake Swamp, Tiger Bay, or the Frampton area. That means the trucks would be coming from down south of where we are, and how they get there I don't know, but the I 95 intersection is going to be all torn up up our way for lots of years. 
 
So the first picture that was up there, sorry, was, shows the property. There's three properties there, the big one in the middle were all the trees are is where they are going to have tanks for Belvidere. The next one over please? 
 
As you can see, on the left-hand side as all wetlands, agriculture property mostly, where those tanks are, it shows half of two of them sitting where they've taken the trees down, and that will be mostly filled as well, that's wetland area. 
 
I also wondered why we are spending so much time worrying about property rights for Belvidere at this time. They have not shown they have any rights. Not only have they built -- not only have they not built anything, they have not shown they have a lease on the property. Who actually has real sufficient property interest required to sign for this project? Several people of signed things that have been submitted. 
 
Regarding the zoning on this property, it's not just one A,… It's not just 1 2 it's 1 2 A which prohibit ... Which explicitly prohibits the storage of explosive materials, (indiscernible) it further states and code 722172 if a structure, if the use of instructors not expressly permitted in a classification the enforcement individual shall not permit the use of a structure. Unless it is substantially similar to a certain structure otherwise permitted. Thank you.  
 
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SPEAKER: 
...he was very well aware of her disabilities. He assured us that he would provide us with adequate notice that after having our home for two years he kicked us out, giving us 30 days notice when he originally promised us one year. He. A family into homelessness. My disabled child types unfamiliarity and routine which is hopelessly stolen from her. 
 
With limited income and support we are struggling daily to provide and keep a roof overhead. Unable to say for this unexpected hardship, his reason is "Things change". I come here to be a. My doctor. I am at adult and I can referendum install, but that God did not deserve the repercussions of those decisions. 
 
This man goes to charity events for children but made my child a statistic. (indiscernible) his candidate statement ensures that he will treat residence here was transparency and integrity. Where was that transparency and integrity when he forced my family into the bow strategy hard job I ever had to enjoy my life? This has allowed me to lean harder on my relationship with God. "Do not be afraid, for I am in the place of God. You have been evil against me." 
 
SPEAKER: 
Order. 
 
SPEAKER: 
(indiscernible) to keep many people alive. I am very nervous. 
 
SPEAKER: 
What is your point of order? We need to address counsel, if we can just make that clear. We do not allow this to past what is happened to Mr Kent has allowed to all of us. We have all made it a point of policy that there are no personal attacks in addressing the council. That is all. Thank you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
The hard thing about the First Amendment is it does not defend speech that we like, it's defence speech that we do not like. So that is why I just asked Councilman Devine heart if you would care to respond at the end of public comment. Matt 
 
MATT REINHART: 
I do not need to comment, the matter has already been solved in Court. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
(unknown name)? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I am an Attorney, I am looking for an extension on behalf of (indiscernible). John has lived in his home in Alvin city for over 10 years, and owned it since 2017. On May 24, he was released from the Department of Corrections after serving two years for (indiscernible) exhibition chart. He had been processed with the Department of Corrections and their probation office in January 2024, including being given a driver's license with his home address on it. 
 
He presumed at that time that he had essentially been registered as a sex offender as required by law. He was then very surprised to be told in May, just prior to his release, that he would not be able to live in his home because he had missed a registering under this county audited by 23 days. He had not even known about the alternates, and believe that he had been previously registered already. 
 
There are apparently two bus stops was in the 1500 feet of his home. There is also another registered sex offender on his estate, which is a very short street in of intercity. So that man must also be within 1500 feet of the bus stop what he was apparently pre-registered on May 1. 
 
John has now had to live in a hotel at great personal expense what he is trying to resolve the situation. The ordinance had been passed under the fee of the of home rule, but I find that ironic because it has instead taken away the home of Mr (unknown name). And it has also created quite a bit of homelessness with other sex offenders in Falluja County. Due to the registration window being less than 30 days from April 2 to May 1, and the physical inability of (unknown name) to actually make that window because of technically, you are not registered as a sex offender until the day you are released from prison, we are asking from a member of the County Council to assist us in moving for an exception to this alternate on his behalf or a modification or amendment. Even shifting its to a June deadline would solve the issue for him. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I am a John's mother, I have lived here for 30 years (indiscernible). You have never had any issues (with anyone living that close to downtown where all activities take place. He went to all County schools, he graduated, went to MMI for a technician, he learned welding, he has maintained a job, his number one thing in life is to help others, whether it be with mechanical things or physical labour. Or just being an ear. 
 
He has always had a job. And he enjoyed skateboarding, BMX bike riding, and being a boy. And never had any episodes with the law. I hope you will make an exception, and allow him to go back home. Thank you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I had a case that came up, in my lifetime. I was not aimed at what got me into trouble, it's kind of a… It was not aimed at them, it was somebody else that we had an instant way. And I ended up in this position I am in now. While I was locked up I guess this came about again, and I was not able to register. 
 
My mother had the power of attorney for me. If I was notified I could have had her do this to save my residence. Now I am in a place where I cannot go home at night. I do not know where I can go right now. I am good with everybody in my neighbourhood and by county. One day there was a bad problem and now I am in a lifetime situation. I am just trying to save the roof over my head and just keep going day by day. Thank you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Chelsea (unknown name). 
 
SPEAKER: 
Alright, good morning Councilman. My name is Chelsea, I live on part of inch in Halifax Drive in District 2. I have spoken with you before about the briefly proposed motocross (indiscernible) and I am here to voice my concerns regarding flooding, potential future changes to our local planned, as well as possible land-use and resulting requested might be involved in the 4 mile area. 
 
The village mission statement adopted several years ago is to preserve the existing global residential agricultural and cultural scenic values associated with the community. To protect the existing land use and to discourage commercialization of the village as well as (indiscernible) residential land use using the covered resulting patterns. Solving, I am short of breath, had an asthma exacerbation last night. 
 
I am concerned about the District and flooding is because I know many Felicia County vest instead. Being a Florida native I used to not be very concerned about tropical storms for most of my life until havoc and Ian. Those three letters change many of the lives of those around us. 
 
I spoke about this previously and I wanted to reference a study completed in 2009. I believe that this was shared with you gentlemen previously, but I went again etc. to get you this morning. Thank you Mr Rinehart for already responding to that. But the name of the study was to be 21 watershed management study. The objective was to develop a watershed management plan to identify stormwater infrastructure deficiencies and to recommend capital improvement project for flooding and water quality improvement with the study area. 
 
This is from 2009, meaning the study is 15 years old. It cost the county roughly $120,000 to complete the study. On page 10, six capital improvement studies were recommended, and at that point the cost would be estimated about $1.3 million. None of these recommendations ever completed. On April 2 of this year the County Council voted to increase the stormwater fees to eight dollars per month, the highest the caprice debt without a public notice. The funds should be used to complete two watershed analysis studies per get I update or create existing water quality basin management action plans. 
 
My question to you today is more studies, more money, are we going to see more results? As far as our local plan in the village, we are a community dedicated to keeping the Volvo agricultural environment. We ask you that you keep this in mind as they may be any proposed resulting a change in land use requests by those looking to develop our village. I hope you do the right thing for us, your people, your landowners, your taxpayers, golf does not pay for itself and development costs. So please keep it local, and do not just do more studies. Do the work that they say needs done. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
in this book (unknown name). 
 
SPEAKER: 
My name is in this book, and I also live in this area. I am here concerned about what I recently learned about west of the inviting of the comprehensive plan that you are all doing workshops on. And that concerns me for the protection that we have in one of the studies, that left to be done, and I feel that it is at risk. 
 
So, I am going to start reading now instead of free speaking. This plan was established back in 2009 to protect the agricultural ways of the areas at the city of Port of educated youths to build West. In this plan it states that the County shall implement the local plan through its comprehensive plan which is where it is right now, Nancy divided but the cold is zoning, ordinance and other means. We are approximately a 4 mile stretch that borders the city of Port overage to the east, and boldest protective lands including Tiger Bay to the west. 
 
Tomoko Farms is deemed a residential environmental systems, door, and these resources must be protected. I watched… I try to watch the most of the workshop and try to follow along. It was a bit challenging. But, what I did learn, or I think I learned, was that somewhat trying to ease the regulations of developers. They do not seem to have any problem right now. There is plenty of developing going order, and we are at cost. 
 
As a matter of fact and want to go back to something I most number of us are talking. The water doesn't stay on their lands. They do the studies and retention ponds with it overflows. Town West is a perfect example, we backup and reflect every time there is a hard rain because it does not stay in the retention ponds. 
 
So the studies are useless and they make all of the money and they often leave us behind with the aftermath. It does not seem like developers have any issues for building. I do not see any concerns being mentioned at all with the flooding that is coming from all of the developer. I have had that studies are done and decisions get made on how to control water flooding, and I am here to tell you that those studies do not work. The studies do not work for anybody except developers and of course the new developed ever got, town west of flux of regularly and not only at 100 year flood like some like to tell. 
 
Still nothing has been done. We now have a situation with the ditches around town west retention pond and more like a lake and town farms about, all overgrown and the county says it is the HOA as Mike had previously told you guys. We still effort in. 
 
One – topic today is the (indiscernible) acres located at (indiscernible) that investors and land owners, a family that inhabited the land, want to rezone. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you, that concludes participation for the beginning of the meeting. You will have a chance to state any item on the agenda… So right now I will ask for a motion and a second to approve the agenda as it is written. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Motion to approve 
 
SPEAKER: 
Second. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Motion to approve made by vice chair Kent seconded by Reinhart. All in favor say I? Any opposed? Motion carries 7-0. 
 
We will move to the consent agenda, does anyone have an item they'd like to put up for discussion or a vote? 
 
TROY KENT: 
Chairman moved to present the consent agenda as presented? 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Vice chair Kent makes a motion to approve as presented seconded by Councilman Johansson. Any discussion? All in favor say I? Any opposed? And the consent agenda is approved 7-0. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good job George. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
And that brings us to the reason a lot of you are here, item 3, confirmation of appointment of (unknown name) to position of division director beach safety. Mark, welcome this morning. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good morning chair, councilman, staff, number three this morning is for the confirmation of appointment of Tamra (unknown name) as beach safety director position, (indiscernible) Recktenwald for comments? 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
Yeah, it is my extreme pleasure today to bring for you for confirmation of appointment to beach safety director, Tammy (unknown name), Tammy has been with us for a minute. 27 years. Her career and minor about the same here. She serves the triple train lifeguard, EMT, and law enforcement officer. She's had many promotions throughout her distinguished career starting in 2007 when she was made a captain, in 2011 she became the face of beach safety is our information officer, deputy chief in 2022, and of course we had her take on interim director earlier this year. 
 
She is constantly and consistently demonstrated leadership of BJP, she's a member of the Volusia County rescue team, she is skilled with the search and rescue, high angle rescue, (indiscernible) space rescue. She has been deployed in nearly every national, natural disaster since the wildfires of 98 and she was also deployed to Mississippi during Hurricane Katrina providing critical support in that time of need. 
 
Tammy has a Associates degree in criminal justice, professional development leadership from the FBI leadership series, she is (indiscernible) she has been recognized for her excellent work, been nominated officer of the year in 1999, 2000, 2001, she served as the president of Volusia surf lifesaving Association since 2020 where she leads efforts to maintain high standards of professional lifesaving and promote public safety through educational programs. Under Tammy's leadership the Association also supports various charities and groups. 
In her free time, which Tammy's not going to have much of coming up, she loves paddling, running, and participating in triathlons. 
Now that's her free time… Triathlons… And of course lifeguard competitions. 
 
Most important issue Church's spending time with her family, her passion for both professional excellence and personal pursuits makes Tammy a well-rounded and respected member of the beach safety community. I have worked with her, again, through my entire career and she is a consummate professional and I am very happy today to recommend her for approval of this position. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you County manager. Tamra. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you! 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
No time limit. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I want to thank Suzanne (unknown name), George Recktenwald, and Mark Swanson for having faith in me to lead. I'm very honored to lead all the people on beach safety. Each safety is obviously one of the most elite rescue organizations in the nation. So I am very honored to lead all the people, especially the people that are here today, to support me. I work with some really great people. And I appreciate everything they have done for me as well over the last few months. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you very much, there's a few members of the Council that would like to speak to you. We will start with district to representative Matt Reinhart. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
Thank you Jerry. I can't think of a better more knowledgeable person, more qualified, and actually ready to take that home anew. When I heard this announcement I was overwhelmed, and I'm glad you got a bit of a vacation just before this because George is right, you're in for a big job, which I know that you're capable and have been doing. When I first got elected beach safety was one of those agencies that welcomed me and showed me the ropes, and I appreciate everything you've done for me, and I appreciate everything you've done for the citizens of Volusia County, so again the couldn't be anybody better. So I appreciate you. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you Mr Reinhart. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Can't? 
 
TROY KENT: 
There's just few, said like to make first. First congratulations, what an incredible response ability. For me, I take the beach, probably, as my top, and five my top 10 it's my number one on the County Counsel. I wanted you to hear that from me. 
 
You will be in charge of our greatest asset in Volusia County, and no one can change my mind on that. 
 
It's an incredible responsibility. One of my expectations from you is to fix this lifeguard problem we are having. I want it like days old. (indiscernible) all the way down to New Smyrna south of the sand (unknown term) condominium. When we have people in the beach I want lifeguard problem addressed, and I think you can come up with some creative ways to do that. If it's money? Come before this counsel and ask me, because I will vote for it. OK? If that's the problem. But be creative in your thinking. 
 
Work well with our share of federal chief Deputy Brian Henderson, they are incredibly great people and they are wonderful team. I'm a huge fan of our sheriff and I think he's done a great job taking over the policing on the beach, but work well with them. 
 
Last but not least, treat our visitors well. But treat our county residents better. 
 
TAMRA: 
thank you, and I agree with you, I believe it's the greatest asset in our county, that's wife been here so long, and why have worked as hard as I have make all those things happen. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
And I've not had time to speak with you and that's OK, because there's one thing, there's many things, but if there's one thing I can say about our County manager George Recktenwald, he picks really good people for these leadership positions. So I totally trust George's decision there, and I'm glad you mentioned (unknown name) as well, she's the right hand, and I didn't want that to go unnoticed. Thank you. 
 
TAMRA: 
thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
I'm going to second that, this was a really good pick, you have served with distinction and honor, gained the respect of every member, man and woman, of your team, and of this counsel as well. It's not an easy job. It will get harder. There is a problem with money, there's other problems in recruiting lifeguards, too, that you're well aware of. So I'm glad to see you here, I will work with you every way that I can to make sure that there are qualified lifeguards in those towers. 
 
You know I worked there. It was a different era. You have a harder job now. The beach is different, run outs are prevalent, you make a lot of rescues. We made a lot of rescues back in the day as well, but you're doing a great job. The whole division. Looking at them in the back of the room, is doing a great job with the resources that you have to keep the beach safe, to keep the people that visit our beach say. 
 
It is the economic driver of a Volusia County, some going to vote for this. I think you probably when this vote. But thank you for your service. I look forward to working with you. 
 
TAMRA: 
thank you for your kind words. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Confirmation by Reinhart, second by vice chair Kent, any discussion? 
 
(Laughter) 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
All in favor say aye? Any opposed? And you are confirmed to 7-0. Congratulations. 
 
(Applause) 
 
(Multiple speakers) 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Is Pat not here this morning? 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
We do it at the end of their career not the beginning. 
 
(Laughter) 
 
SPEAKER: 
You can bring everybody… Behind? Three on the other side? There's more people. I'm not sure you can back up that much (Laughs) 
 
(Laughter) 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Well that cleared out half the chamber. 
 
(Laughter) 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
OK we will move to item 4. Keith, I understand you're going to make the presentation? No? This is a presentation from Keith Norden President and CEO, and the team Volusia staff year, Lou? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good morning County Council members. Good to see you again. I am here this morning to introduce my esteemed colleague Keith Norden, Mr Norden will give us a prison Tatian, an update on team Volusia efforts. As you know team Volusia is our partner, they are tasked with heightening and making Volusia County more visible nationally and internationally. This means that they market, promote, and recruit businesses for our county. So with that said…  
 
KEITH NORDEN: 
good morning everybody. It is a pleasure to update you all today. We appreciate your continuing support. 
 
I wanted to go briefly over who we are. We are a public-private partnership, historically we have 51% of private sector funds. And 5% of our funds come from the colleges and universities. And about 44% come from the county. Those numbers change on a daily basis but we are very proud to have the funding that we have in place. We work collaboratively with all the authors. 
 
I am very proud to announce the offices that we have. Two are with me, and we have Dwight Durant and Jordan (unknown name). But disliked of offices out there, you might be in opposition of our (indiscernible) we have George Recktenwald, He has a very active role in our organization as well as (indiscernible) and the treasurer and city manager of (indiscernible) Beach. -- 
 
Private and public sector partners to make sure in (indiscernible). And two of our offices are board members of the CEO Alliance. 
 
Also joining me today is Tywan Arrington, I would Director of business development that we are very proud to have in. To answer any questions that you have the project. 
 
It is a collaborative environment, when I arrived here 12 years ago I found that up collaboration was great along with the division of economic development with Volusia County. We are a seamless partner and we do work well with private entities. We were a beginning force to set up the Volusia business of these resources, which I commanded the division for. It is a wonderful wonderful resource for existing businesses. As you can see we work very closely with all of the colleges and universities and I would like to shout out to of our utilities. FPL as well as Duke energy. 
 
And then this is what we are so proud of. Over 80 private-sector companies fund our organization. They are at the table, they are at the table when we host prospective companies. But more importantly they fund all of our programming. As of of mind of the public sector funds operations only everything that I will be dealing with today over than operations is paid for by these over 80 private-sector companies. And it is great enough which of public sector funding and private sector funding. 
 
It is very difficult for public sector faculties and private organizations to do the outreach that we do and I will have a slight on that. 
 
Just a thing about that is very important is that as was mentioned, we are the business marketing are before Volusia County. We do not do Joe was on marketing, we do business marketing to vase awareness that we are an excellent destination for business. 
 
Some disability 2024, that is the for fear that we have done that addition. It is for County recruitment. We are nominated for an award from (indiscernible) on that. This is responsible for FPL, (indiscernible) to organize and created the life in Volusia website, as part of (indiscernible) campaign. That is being used with recent, very recent locations like (indiscernible). As a way for those transforming employees to look at (indiscernible). And also add information on their employers that (indiscernible) is important for spousal employment. 
 
We are very proud to introduce the fourth (indiscernible) in November 2024. It comes out every three years. Again, it is raising the visibility of Volusia County to over 270,000 influential people. 
 
We also work with EVOLVE advocacy, on the right hand of the slide, we are fully metrical. So I included the metrics from all of our efforts. 
 
I am very proud to have produced and introduced, thanks to your input as well, working with strategic advisors, we have team 2030. It is our new five-year strategic plan, you all participated with the consultant as well as over 100 local participants, but we… The important thing is that we looked at our targets to make sure that we were recruiting in the right amicus, 500 targets were made. (indiscernible) because we are at the north and cusp of the space. With all of our assets here, but we also have (indiscernible) because we are a 500+ manufacturer working with life-sciences and (indiscernible). And in the districts. 
 
These are not in logistic (indiscernible). Lisa cold storage facilities and logistics services were transfer of products goes. 
 
But the main thing we introduced to new targets, finance and insurance, because the industry that we see here is about three homegrown insurance companies, right here in Phoenicia County. (Lists Names) many communities would love to have those. So we are excited. 
 
All of our activities from now on will be centred around these seven targets. Of course, we will locate projects that may call us, outside of these targets, but our marketing activities and group activities will be there. 
 
The same as Lester, I will covet your we will be setting up an implementation task force at 20 next month. And we will be going full speed ahead January 1 through that five-year strategy. 
 
This is what I wanted to talk about, the importance of outreach. Municipalities are very very interested in rescuing outreach, because (indiscernible) important for us to be out there and to be seen. Because we have to be marketing our assets. 
 
Just a couple of things they hear that I would take point out and as a joke. 
 
Speaking as a meeting we have been going to for years, interactive writing, in fact, the ambers and local Director of economic development the… 
 
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SPEAKER: 
Of the quarterly contacting the global Director in 2019, we (indiscernible) warehouse in Daytona. With other smaller facilities in Daytona Beach. We located another 1,000,000 ft.² in dealt owner, and then a first quarter of 2025, we will bring out the 2.5 million-square-foot fully robotic Anderson warehouse. 
 
So I bring this as an example, because it takes relationship building, it takes… In sales we have to be seen and heard and if you are not today, you may not be fought off. These are longer (indiscernible). (unknown name), you might've had we had activities there, (indiscernible) on old years, and on even years, I was 150 in a stated dedication that was led by the lieutenant governor. (indiscernible) was also in attendance. (indiscernible) space Florida. (Lists Names). 19 EDL's and 19 Florida-based companies but more importantly, this show is the second-largest and has 101,000 exhibitors from 60 companies. And these exhibitors are not always the big military defence contractors and the Boeing of the world. It is this mother, medium-sized manufacturers that manufacture carpet and every part of client seats and everything. So it is a great seat for Felicia County because any of those projects can be located anywhere else. 
 
I upload (unknown name) and others for travelling with me. So I am not covering all these activities, but I am very pleased, we have 30 outreach communities funded by the community sector. 
 
We were very transparent as far as metrics. These are the metrics, we shuttles metrics on a monthly basis to our newsletter. (indiscernible) for the first six months 260 face-to-face meetings, those are face-to-face meetings with an immediate agenda, and in person (indiscernible). It is important because as we know, Volusia County has missed perceptions of who we are. We are a great place for the beaches, and racing, and a quality of life, but in order to bring a business you have to face a visibility that we are a business destination. 
 
70 projects as you know the sales organizations. So we meet regularly to make sure that the stage want in NSO context are what down the pipeline to stage IV, which means they are at the (indiscernible) and stage III which means they have actually (indiscernible). So far this year we have had free announcements and (indiscernible) we are quite pleased. This to comment that we are excited about going and going to the defence or what that may bring to our area. Future development and recruitment opportunities. 
 
(indiscernible) buzz about that application. And then (indiscernible), Vicente and Copley that we actually worked with select USA, to bring in a small group of companies prior to select USA, (indiscernible) one of the companies did visited before. Went to Washington and they located here in Felicia County. The we are excited about those numbers, they are there for your review. 
 
Part of the five-year strategy that we have undertaken, it was strongly suggested that because we have been in operation to 2011, we should use numbers in tenure encumbered so I am very proud of the metrics we have done in the last 10 gases 2013, 54 established projects, almost 70,000 jobs in payroll and payroll (indiscernible) in the area of 31 million, and (indiscernible) is almost $1 million. At a two billion-dollar total economic impact for the region. 
 
And then, this year, and this was a (indiscernible) process of getting all of our policies in order, and our bylaws updated, we had a visit by (indiscernible), the international economic development Council, who is the group that actually looks over 5000 economic development organizations in the Mexico, North America, and Canada. And they came in for a visit, met with 26 of our leaders, and started the organization and then gave us the accreditation (indiscernible) economic development Tatian. Only 2% of the organizations in North America have that status. Some of the other things I've listed, you can see the larger (indiscernible) of the country, and what that does is for site location consultants (indiscernible) they look at that know their projects will be treated well. (indiscernible) 
 
They know that we have not only leadership (indiscernible) the interviewed businesses as well. Their parting comment, which pleases me, was, when they left, before we were credited, they said they cannot wait to see… They were so impressed with Volusia County and what was going on they said they cannot wait to see what happens here in the next 10 years. So that was very nice. And I'm very proud of in a community that not only has an accredited EDO but we also have a five-star accreditation with the Daytona regional (indiscernible) I welcome any questions you might have. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Counsel? All started, right after I got elected you came to my office and we sat down and talked. We had differences of opinions and we talked it through, and you've more than met my concerns, exceed them. I'm impressed, I appreciate it. One of the things we discussed was pouring resources into the local business community as well as partners at the airport. Really focused on our local people. People that pay taxes all year long. It's really important to bring in new jobs. He probably could've skipped your whole presentation and just got up there and said, "Boeing," and everybody would've known. Team pollution was an important part in that. A lot of players. We appreciate what you did. It's a proof of concept thing, just like (unknown term) airlines, when this Council stepped out (indiscernible) but we are going to hear this morning that proof of concept worked as well. When you got Boeing here that opens the doors to other aeronautical space industry. For clean industry to come to Daytona Beach. So I would say job well done, I'm glad you're here. At some point you're going to be back before this counsel asking for funding. Tell you right now will be in favor of that. Because there's nothing… I can't say nothing. It's extremely important for residents that live your to have high-paying jobs, good business is growing here, and coming here. So I want to see that continue, good job today, thank you for coming. 
 
KEITH: 
it's a host of people at the table bringing these projects then. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you. Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Keith did say a bunch of fancy names but he was a regular guy, he was at Cosco getting stuff for the storm on Friday as was I, so it's nice to see… I did offer but she said she had somebody strong to help her and you came around the corner. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I think that was Saturday. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Thanks for what you doing. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Councilman Johansson?  
 
JAKE JOHANSSON:  
thanks for the presentation. A quick question I guess request for team Volusia, we sat through this mornings commentary, we get them daily, stop development, stop zoning, keep the land the way it is but that's not going to happen. What's team Volusia doing to kind of get people to understand the importance of economic growth in our county, and why we have to have balance? Not just a tax based perspective but job growth and all that stuff you guys working on. 
 
Team Volusia talks to economic development, to Lou, but do we have any outreach to the community? 
 
KEITH NORDEN: 
We do, we are members of all the chambers of commerce, in fact Mr Harrison I will be speaking in Port Orange chamber on Thursday. We've also been working closely with project development, project development is very important, so we are working with (unknown term) on the Florida first sites program, (indiscernible) close relationship with West Volusia. It's important when we do those meetings we involve the local community. And we have site locators, these utility companies are using those (indiscernible) so that we can (indiscernible) further development. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Anyone else? 
 
I think you for coming in and I will ask the Council for a motion in a second... Motion to accept from Councilman Reinhart, second from (indiscernible), any other questions or discussion? All in favor say aye? 
 
KEITH: 
thank you for accepting the report. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you for bringing it, one party,, don't forget the (indiscernible) I know you're aware of them, but they're going to change the energy picture of the world. They need to be here in Volusia, the very brilliant creator and owner is a resident of Deland. So let's go get her. 
 
KEITH: 
thank you so much. Thank you for your time. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Item 5, Medicaid match cost for hospital districts. Doctor (unknown name)? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes sir, this is the fourth year where we have all of our district at full adjustment, so it is not duly -- unduly impact one over another. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you very much. Councilman Santiago? Motion to accept by Councilman Santiago, the second was by vice chair Kent. Anybody else? Discussion? Well done. Staff, all in favor say I? And opposed? Motion is approved seven – zero. 
 
Which brings us to item 6 however… We could do item 6 and 18 altogether, unless some buddy wants to bring one of those items up singly for questions or vote? JAKE JOHANSSON: I'm going to move for items 6 to 18 be used. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
OK cover them all. Big Mac (Indiscernible) today of course item 6 all the way through item 18 are the renewals for the certificate of public convenience and necessity, this is a statutory requirement. We do have some representatives. Also representatives from Ormond Beach and port orange. So it comes up every two years, so we have 13 including Volusia County (indiscernible) 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you, would anyone sitting here all morning like to speak? 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
Thanks chair, I want to shout it to the fire chiefs that are here. Captain to Jim. This used to be an item that would take a long time and there was a lot of discussion through the years. I'm proud we've come together and work together as well as we do. Tackle problems at the various chiefs meetings I meetings we have, and because of that we do have one of the best systems in the country, because the people sitting out there and the people in the field doing that work. We tackle these problems, and we monitor our results at all times, and because of that I think we are a model across the nation, and will continue to evolve the model. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Councilman Santiago? We have a motion to approve the six – 18 by Councilman Santiago seconded by Councilman Johansson. We do have one member of the public would like to speak before the vote, John Nicholson? 
 
SPEAKER: 
John Nicholson family said, FYI, I sat through those meetings, it's really improved, but for the public's interest, because one of the debates for office, shall be brought up having a problem with ambulances. This was brought up like seven years ago, and there was no interest in it. She kept at it, and the reason we ended up buying… The problem was not the number of ambulances, not the problem that these cities did not have the right to transport, the problem was they would transport to the hospital and would have to sit there twiddling their thumbs waiting to be admitted, and the public doesn't know that. The public thinks those cities and councils are falling down because they can't get an ambulance fast. So the public needs to know you're doing everything you can especially now that only takes two seconds, if it wasn't for me you'd already have voted, so there needs to be public knowledge that there is something outside of you, outside the city system, causing the backup. So if you could push the hospitals to admit faster find ways of allowing the ambulance to drop off and get back out. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you, County manager George Recktenwald, I think this would be a good time to maybe relate to the public the amazing response times of the county? 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
Let me also address, the hospitals are also part of the group we talked to, there was a conversation the other day with David Weiss and, that problem is a problem in terms of allover health care. These emergency rooms will get filled, and yes, there gets to be backups. But again, we've added resources to the issue, and I'm happy to report a think those problems are a lot less of an occurrence. We can't control sometimes, there's a outbreak of the fluid things happen and things get jammed up, especially with recent events, but things have approved and we will continue to work on that. 
 
A response times, when you look at the time it takes to get a paramedic to a patient around here it's about six minutes. When you get into the breakdown around fire and EMS, they work very well together. There's always going to be an outlier here or there, but the reality is, you know, our times are around the eight minute mark overall forgetting the transport people there. So you've got fire responding, and you have EMS responding. 
 
A lot of times we are getting there within a minute or two, in fact the majority of the time it was within a couple minutes of each other responding to a scene. So again, we are doing great work. We are constantly honing, we're a giant County so we have to make sure, you know, what areas are we talking about in terms of urban, where everybody is at, maybe a different response out in rural areas, but out in those areas we do different things. So again, constantly evolving and improving what we are doing out there, and my hats off to the men and women who work this every day, this is their life, is getting out there and doing that kind of work. And then the great work they do when they get there, because it's not just about getting there. It's getting there, and then doing great scene treat and the great work they do so we have great outcomes when they get to the hospital. Never forget that, it's very important, how skilled our people are when they get there in the work they do. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you I think that's important to be said. These people work really hard, I know, I think urban response times are like six minutes and 18 seconds. Rural where I live is seven minutes and 18 or 17 seconds, it's really good. Remind us what the national standard is?  
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
I think it is 86% most of the time. We have to remember we have suburban and rural. So there are different levels. But we working really hard to make sure we are about that. No system is perfect, we will always have challenges, so long as we are getting Haute, and staffing ambulances. 
 
Kevin, good job to your people. Please make sure that they know that, that we appreciate what you argument. And we will keep looking and finding ways to help you improve. So, with that, we have a motion on the table to accept approve six through 18. Any other comments? All in favour say I. Any opposed? Those items past 7 to 0. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
And that brings up (indiscernible). 
 
SPEAKER: 
Musclebound, here for the medical and administration part of the ordinance. It increases the efficiency of government by getting right of unnecessarily approved by Council (unknown term) considerations, and allows (indiscernible) to make some determined considerations for licensure of staff as opposed to having to do it by (indiscernible). 
 
Lastly, it improves our ability to (indiscernible) the language for audits of insurance. And Medicare payments. So with that I can answer any questions or turn over to the experts. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I approve.  
 
MATT REINHART: 
A second. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
we have a motion and a second. All in favour say I. Any opposed? OK. 
 
We will go to item 21. Pilot projects result, for those listening he may not see the agenda item 20 has been moved to a future Council meeting. Now we are on 21. Doctor (unknown name). 
 
SPEAKER: 
So just quickly, the PowerPoint was included for members of the public as well as counsel. I think we had a wildly successful program and we can both in terms of how we framed our educational objectives. And then we had our partners, I figured the beauty of this effort was the partners that were involved with us and there were a lot. 
 
These were the overall objectives of the initiative. So to elevate the awareness had a lot of traction on social media, thanks to the community information team. They had some very attractive flying us, we were able to serve the public, and also had 14 educational events in the years period. 
 
The 442 participants, great feedback from the individuals who participated, and then set field event. Kind of given tours, kind of hands on the blocking education related to the topics of (indiscernible). 
 
We also wanted to raise the awareness of invasive species, because there is a lot on this list. So (unknown name) developed this use this all lose its campaign, basically giving recommendations for folks for native versus invasive species that we typically see. Some folks had some educational blog posts, (indiscernible), and as any good teacher we want to know our behavioural outcomes, versus intention. Or did you actually adopt behaviours. 
 
We had a very high adoption rate for folks, and Mr Johansson, that is acting the program that you referred to in January, so we kind of modelled after that. They friendly homes, and kind of these different categories that we were asking questions in. 
 
Individuals had to take a pledge as well. And then lots of 90% which would like to see. So wildlife, a lot of our partners delivered some of these programs, (indiscernible) plant growth, 155 trees I believe are planted, and this is a low number, we required people to sign up and attend the workshops of these are folks who were fully committed to our initiative. 
 
We asked people, you know, why did you become involved with this initiative? And interestingly, significantly help them to achieve their personal goals was a number one response. These are the partners who have come to the table and will continue to you know, be with us as we execute on this initiative moving forward. 
 
Just a snapshot, as I said I fixed is what the beauty of the initiatives, when we first came together we had Commissioner can't come together with the partners, saying the division of the program was… And we were off and running. This is what the impact of those partnerships were, but really it was a… It helped these individual groups to get the energized, unfocused, and effort that was a good thing that we came in and provided some public sector leadership for this initiative. 
 
Now that the pilot program is up, we have two options for your consideration to continue the program. I wrote we lead at the private stage, the public sector has led, now due to move it off to the private sector. As you can see, the bullet points for our objectives, with over $10,000 annually these nonprofit organizations he would develop programs that help us, the county, to accomplish these objectives. 
 
It is an important figure to note, and I sent this the last time, if you look up things to do on any of the trip applications or (indiscernible), loop is number one thing. That is what is bringing people here so we have to sustain that economic development as well. 
 
That is option one. Option number two is we do have our team tracked time, it took about 1900 hrs. to pull off this first year. Certainly that would reduce after we have done a lot of legwork, but indicated so chooses, the what the public sector to continue to lead this effort that we would request we have admission to do so. 
 
Other funding opportunities are available for public entities nonprofit. Although grants of you know, it is not up to $25,000, ditches ask you to call if your proposal is large the 25,000. But this could provide trees for (indiscernible), and it also can help support some treeplanting or public property. So 6000 acres of the 8000 (indiscernible) public property. 
 
These are some of the projects that interest team has completed, with the tree fund this year and then suffering they have got in the works as well. So with that I will answer any questions, they are waiting for the Council's guidance. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
we will start with a vice chair toward Kent. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Before I speak, I think we have a public comment about this. Can I speak after the public comment? 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Yes we do, (unknown name) could you please come up. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you Mr Chairman at County Counsel. I sent you as an individual, I am not representing a group. I am in a coin in the field of the forest. And I want to express my thanks and gratitude to the County Counsel before they are program and also, the staff, govern from the county chair down to the county staff. He did a great job and I would also like to point out that I have valid Doctor (unknown name)'s dissertation. And the idea of networking with groups and organizations has worked very well. And I appreciate that. 
 
I also appreciate the partners that I have met. I have been overly impressed, and deeply gratified to them as well. They have shown different things and aspects of living in Volusia County. And (indiscernible) the state park in March, the park, the other partners, the city of Ormond Beach of which they are now going towards policies of native plants and (indiscernible) Beach has just given $10,000 for a tree farm. 
 
So a public-private partnership in my 50 years of experience in the administration has indicated that is a very strong partnership. Lecture economic development. It is not one of the other between the public point. 
 
I would like to express my deep gratitude for this past year. I think that the people I have met I just determined the. They have deep values, and their roots and their environmental details of integrate. And that a little more in the last year, when I saw the Council talk about the vehicle the loop, there was trust given to each member, which I still remember very very deeply. 
 
I think that the plan, plant, Poon and program is the best idea in an ongoing fashion. Way beyond our years. And I would like to thank you for taking Stewardship over God's creation, of other trees, absolutes, our fish, our boats, and our (indiscernible). So I would like to thank you, and hopefully this will not only be (indiscernible) but also AV growth revolution. Thank you very much. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Just a quick question for you. If we go with option one on this, which I will explain to the Council why I am favouring that option in a moment, what kind of support could our staff and give for those educational meetings? The 447 members that showed up for those 1214 meeting, that is impactful.  
 
BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
I talked to a number of people, teams stand ready to help, I think the tact going forward is going to be to have a yearly planning meeting were all the partners, and get their marching orders for the year. We will know what our educational role is and other individuals will know what their role is in terms of outreach or doing some of these field visits or field tours. So our team will still be fully engaged (indiscernible). 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
 
Termini don't have any more comments I just have comments. 
 
(Multiple speakers) 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Councilman Robbins? 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
For option one do we know where that money would come from? The general fund? 
 
BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
General fund yes. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
You have a dollar amount on the 1900 hrs.? 
 
BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
It was different people at different rates. But I can get that. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
(Indiscernible) was that option three? 
 
BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
Noticed another funding, I wanted the Council to be aware there's other funding opportunities to support some of this, not only the scenic Highway or by way, but on the six others that may come through our County as well. 
 
JENNY SICHEL: 
OK thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Councilman Johansson for questions?  
 
JAKE JOHANSSON:  
just to further clarify, where could it come from? $10,000? Could it come from the tree fund? The environmental? 
 
BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
As the regulations are written out could not come from the tree fund. There's a very specific kind of, you know, it was set up in a way that it was basically mitigation, you know? So some of these things, I think that's why the additional $10,000. We can get trees all day long for giveaways, but some other things, the direct support organization is doing survey work, they'll have that baseline data, and if they could get $10,000 from us for match to fund a larger study… It's kind of a diversification…  
 
JAKE JOHANSSON:  
my next question is, I had problems with this elsewhere so I'm going to ask it. You talked about putting trees on public land. While we have, within the county, some way of ensuring the right trees get put in the right place? Or will we rely, if we go option one, with our private partners… (indiscernible) 
 
BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
If they are using our money or it's a partner in this group I will tell you those trees are curated, the selection is curated to make sure they are proper for the area, and the land that they are going on. But if it's a private, if it's one of these groups doing a private thing, we really wouldn't have any say, but based on what I think Alan mentioned is that you photos of natives and the right plant right place, which is a principle we teach, I for confident they would do the right thing. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Thank you German, along the lines of other options for funding, could we modify ECHO in a matter that would allow this to tap into it? Because it's public land right? I know it may require some creativity, but is it something beyond absolutely not because of X-rays at? Or something we can change? 
 
BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
So thinking of it now, we align always with the ballot language. So it's the acquisition, improvement, acquisition, improvement, or renovation, I believe. So I would have to look at those definitions, at this point, this is more of an operational grant. And we don't do operations through ECHO it's more of a capital investment but I can certainly work with (indiscernible) on that. You could use the tree for account for the cost of the trees. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I thought Jake's questioning was good just trying to get creative. 


BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
I had a conversation with our CFO about this possibility, he may have other options as well, and we can report back. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
One more question along those lines, could a private organization come up with a proposal and a program through ECHO with matching funds to continue this? 
 
BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
Not… So again. ECHO is more a capital-based, it's projects that are capital-based. The individual agrees to be the operating partner for that facility or project. If it was like, a – I know there's some initial talks with the city of Armand about doing a gateway to the park. We can certainly support that with ECHO, but again, that's, what we are talking about here's operational dollars. So it's different. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
OK, thank you. Councilman Robbins? 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Thanks, Brad, real quickly, (indiscernible) state grants, federal grants to fund this, and if so, can we do more through, would that be a better route? I'm trying to avoid tapping into the general fund (indiscernible) that grant funding may be a better option, to possibly get us that, or more. Have we looked at anything? 
 
BRADLEY BURBAUGH: 
I will say we've looked at grants with the Ormond scenic (indiscernible) trail group. It was more about improving the canopy on the loop. So this money will help them bring down other federal dollars, they need to match for the grants. If they apply for this, that can be used as the match. But to run this program, operationally, we have not sought out grants. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
OK I think that brings us back to you vice chair Kent. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Thank you Chairman, Doctor Burbach we talk about the right plan in the right place, may I just say I think you're the right guy at the right time to help implement this pilot program. Gentlemen, thank you. This is a good thing. In fact, I would dare to say this is a great thing. For us to do something impactful that showed immediate results and got our residents actively involved in something they so care about is a huge win, and you're right Doctor Burbach, it's wildly successful. 
 
I'm going to repeat a few things you all know, which is this started with the brainchild idea of one Alan Burton. Alan, thank you for showing up today, making the driver from Armand by the sea. Sharing your thoughts and passion about your community, and all things parks, really. 
 
Thank you for your wisdom and your passion about a wonderful program. 
 
We got an email from Melissa (unknown name), and she mentioned a few people and there was a page that Doctor Burbach showed with all of our partners, I just want to publicly thank Scott and Todd Van Accor. Thank you Vanna core homes, the money for plantings and trees, I certainly appreciate that, but again, Alan Burton, shut it to Commissioner (unknown name) (indiscernible) Halifax River Audubon (indiscernible) Florida native Plant Society, UF IFAS, and of course a Volusia County Council. Thank you for being partners. We all talk about fiscal conservativeness, and I'm here to tell you that's why I'm leaning towards option one. I would love option two but that requires Harry another person which is not only the salary, is that pension, the healthcare, and every thing else in between. And I don't want to ever be a hypocrite, and preach one thing, and then come with a situation where there could be a problem financially and not have a solution for that. Sort of like something coming up on our agenda, have a solution for the possible problem. 
 
So with option one, to continue this program, and give the lead to our partners, but for the county to be involved at $10,000, just like I told Ms Melford this morning, I'm willing to spend money on things like more lifeguards to save lives. I'm willing to spend $10,000 a year to keep this program up and running, and like I said, when we did this 18 months ago, I don't want this just for the loop in Ormond Beach. I want this across our county, I want you, gentlemen, to come forward and say, "let's do regrow the loop but in the land -- Deland, Daytona, New Smyrna. Let's implement the same program, because we've already invented the wheel." Because these people, if you've not been to one of these meetings, they are serious about this stuff, and they want to help. They want to give their sweat equity. 
 
I showed up to the tree when we were giving away trees to people qualified for, and the number of people who just showed up to bring the tree from the concrete to the back of someone's vehicle was impressive. 
 
So counsel, I'll make a motion to go with option one at this time. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you we have a motion on the floor for option one. By vice chair Kent. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
L second it. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
And that motion is seconded by Councilman sent Iago. For debate, Councilman Johansson.  
 
JAKE JOHANSSON:  
 
thank you Chairman. I absolutely love this program, I love the loop, the people from the private and nonprofit sector have passion for something and have taken action. I'm just elated that this collaborative Doctor Burbach talked about, all the things we did up there when I was up there. So this is a good start. And we heard about the way the folks just to get together to get stuff done. 
 
And you've heard me speak about putting government in the loop, no pun intended, I don't want to be in this loop of passion and have it become a government program. So to Mr Kent's motion, I like option number one. 
 
I don't like spending $80 for anybody because this opens up a $10,000 for everybody window, and my opinion. Is it a minuscule amount? It's probably 1/1000 of a mill or even less, but I'm not opposed to doing everything I can to help raise that $10,000 every year, to make sure you're going to have the money. 
 
I don't mind working hard to get you that money. I do mind spending even that minute amount of tax money on an area, as Mr (unknown name) said, we wanted all over the county. If it becomes an all over the county thing maybe we do a program. And we have a program. We have a bunch of people that manage our preserves and our parks throughout the county. But I'm afraid that if we open the door here there's going to be some other programs we have that everybody starts to come to the table. I had a gentleman asked me for $10,000 for an environmental camp, no, aviation camp the other day. It's just going to start opening the door were everybody's gonna come knocking on the door for 10 grand. 
 
So I'm not a big fan of giving you even that minor amount of money right now, but I will do everything I can to help raise that money so you have it. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Thank you. I will support option one as well, I think it's the best way to go, if we approve this today you are going to bring us back more information about how – what it looks like, how to go forward, because I'm going to join in what you've heard from a couple people, I would like to see it be expanded to the entire county. 
 
That may change the $10,000 price tag, I think we can do it with local volunteers, local nurseries, garden centers, people that would participate in this. It helps their business but it's also part, I believe, of a wise economic development approach. Because companies want to come here, companies that want to stay here, want a beautiful environment, and we… The loop certainly needs to be replanted, but there's lots of other areas where this could happen. We have a chief financial officer that is really good at finding money. We haven't even voted on it yet and he's planning on two and half million dollars for motocross. This… 10,000, I think, we could come up with because it's in the public interest for a huge section of the public but you'll have to tell us if the vote is, if the feeling consensus of the Council is that it becomes countywide, what you would expect that would do for funding.  
 
Councilman 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Thank you Mr chair. (indiscernible) how about $5000? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I might have put things up enough.  
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Does this open the door up to other special interests? Initiatives. And how do we handle those. They are all quite important. It could be trees here, and something completely different. We know there are lots of organized efforts out there to create something good in their minds. 
 
Your concern is… I do not want to put words in your mouth, so I am really trying to interpret your debate. Your concerns are that careful what we start here. Not that it is a Badfinger, but careful what precedent reset here? And whether or not we should look at it differently, for the future? I do not want to put words in your mouth or put you on the spot.  
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
That is correct. (indiscernible) the growth is phenomenal but if we do it nationwide 50,000 people are going to come to the table and ask for $10,000. Which I love. But I do not want to $10,000 in debt. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I supported this in the beginning. (indiscernible) and that weight was important for me to give this a shot. At the same time, you have raised my awareness, Jake, to the government's roll in things. To what extent do we get involved in fixed? 
 
I am on the fence because I have similar concerns to Jake. 
 
SPEAKER: 
If I made Mr chair, as a point of clarification. One of the things that the team has envisioned is this is not just a giveaway of $10,000. It'd be a competitive process will be put out a notice of funding availability and beat would have to submit applications, and there would be a competition. There would be a rubric where if you bought matching funds to the table you would certainly get more. So I would certainly be clear about that. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Could I just follow up on that please? 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Yes. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
This council has had very difficult debates on programs appropriated some years ago. And whether or not we felt that they should continue. And the efforts that come around those types of things make the decisions very difficult. And I think I sent at our last meeting, nothing last longer in life than a government program. Because those that are benefiting from that program Valley. We have held comments today, people fastening that they are organized, and will fill the room, and will do these things. And those types of comments… Sometimes people do not read the Federalist papers. And our founding fathers. Those we have to make tough decisions and not necessarily follow the golden rule. Because it is not always a good decision for the public. 
 
So I am a little worried now. I think the program is great. But I am a little worried because… 
 
SPEAKER: 
If it'll make the Council feel more comfortable if it I understand now what you want us to go with this in terms of options. We are in turn looking for this $10,000 (indiscernible) and in lieu of using general funding dollars we will try to find some grants or donations, we are already brainstorming some solutions with the team. So I think we understand what you are putting down. 
 
JEFFREY S BROWER: 
Before we go on, I want to make sure that everybody gets a bite of the apple. George, did you want to add something before we go on? 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
They took the words out of my mouth. 
 
SPEAKER: 
(indiscernible) 
 
SPEAKER: 
I am Catholic, I am used to the word of God. 
 
SPEAKER: 
You had mentioned if you got $20,000 on a private organization or (indiscernible)…? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Locus a 31, and what catamites this entire event was $1000 private donation. So all of those stickers, we bought all the materials, he bought them all. 
 
SPEAKER: 
That is awesome, I do not think there is a dispute in the success of this. Just like Mr Johansson at (indiscernible). I would like to exhaust all of that before we tap into tax dollars. Because if we just go back in time just a little bit, (indiscernible) $1500 sponsorship program, for this kind of key reason. And also we have a six or $700,000 scenario that is been going on for 20 or 30 years with (indiscernible). Mr Santiago has defended about it in terms of our decisions. 
 
So I agree with Mr Johansson, (indiscernible) and being hypocritical, if we turn direction now. I think there are other ways to do this. You guys have made a tremendous model, an effective model for people to never. I think it has hit the mark, with great success. Now it is us for tone it over to… Outside the government players. We cannot (indiscernible) without putting that burden on everybody. 
 
So, that is it. Thank you. 
 
JEFFREY BROWER: 
Jeff Johansson? 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I was going to avoid talking about the (indiscernible). Good grief, he says. But, one of the questions I was going to ask at the end was the status of the NOAA transit we were going to do. And we will talk about that later. I did not know if that was something we were talking about expansion county wise and if that was of users we could use that property to grow that and spread it amongst the county. 
 
There are a lot of areas in Daytona Beach we would like to see, and part of injured all over. But, nonetheless, that is definitely something to look at maybe in the future for the expansion of this. Not to get ahead of things but I also would like to see a funding source being created with the funding source and I do want to see a continuum. I am taking that first option as well. 
 
JEFFREY S. BROWER: 
Troy, before you go you are next. You have heard different things, would you make it clear what is involved in your motion? Because now we are talking about countywide. So express your motion a little bit more so we all know what we are discussing. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Thank you chair and counsel. I cannot disagree with really any of you for because we have all preached the same thing. And I started my comments saying some of those very same things. Some words I have heard from some of the members appear, this hits the mark great success, incredible program, love the idea, and you are right. We have had some healthy conversations about our cultural arts programs, six or $700,000, but I think we approved almost all of them. 
 
They showed up and they talked about our return on investment. And for me, that is why I voted for those six or $700,000. And I said I would not always do that, but the return on investment is what I was looking at. 
 
So here I look at the return on this investment. And, I too, (indiscernible), I want a different funding source if we can find it. But I am not going to fall on my sword on this if I cannot find a different funding source. When we had 447 people show up at these meetings and get educated, that spreads like wildfire when they are talking to their neighbours and their friends and their family members about many different things, from the goodbyes and bad guys to the pollinators and how to attract them, in your garden and different things like that. 
 
So to clarify chairman, like you asked, and maybe this will help the counsellor Elizabeth, but, maybe the secondary motion will agree to this, maybe they will not, but, that $10,000, can that be used not only in (indiscernible), can that be used in any way shape or form to help open this program up countywide, in other locations? 
 
Because my hope is that councilmembers would come forward and say "Hey, I want this year." So I have not heard that. So can staff come back to us and say "Hey counsel, this initiative would be fantastic if we get it over here." Because the people in different parts of Volusia would definitely benefit from that they do not want to drive across a county that is as big as Delaware. 
 
Can we have staff do that, and candles $10,000 be utilized for that purpose as well? 
 
SPEAKER: 
If that is the direction of counsel I would be happy to do that. 
 
TROY KENT: 
That is the direction of my motion. This would not just before Ormond Beach, this will be countywide. That was my whole goal. My whole goal was to get this thing started and to see how wildly successful it can be an unlikely spread like wildfire across my county. And my end goal if it does not cost us anything. That our partners and our volunteers take this bull by the horns, and upon with it, and you know, not that we can sit back, but they take the lead. That is my goal. Is that OK with the seconder?  
 
SPEAKER: 
I'm doing a Troy right now in my head. I would still second motion, yes. Because that is worthy of about. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Of course, the educational objectives that we have outlined for can be applied countywide. Everything that we are saying we could do regrow Volusia. 
 
SPEAKER: 
With $10,000? 
 
SPEAKER: 
And general fund is the last resort. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Counsel in Johansson. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I was in sight I am always at 10 ground already, but I'm working at getting off or let us say let us not take it from the general fund. I would love for to happen that way. If it does I would like to see it come back. So vote. So we will see how this boat goes and (indiscernible). 
 
SPEAKER: 
And I asked him to repeat that because I did not quite get it, sorry Jake. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Option one right now says $10,000 but it does not say what is going to come from. If option one when it comes back says from anywhere except the general fund I am in. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Chairman let me amend the motion. Option one, looking countywide, regrow Volusia, and don't take that 10 grand out of the general fund. Not maybe, but don't. Don't take it for the general fund, and if we can find another fund that we are comfortable with then so be it. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I'm OK with that amendment Mr. chair. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We have amended. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I want to withdraw my motion and what I say now is my new motion. That is my new motion. 
 
SPEAKER: 
A brand-new motion, regrow Volusia. $10,000 that does not come from general fund. It can come from any other source and I am assuming, where did it go? That when he comes back, we will have another vote on this because we will hear where the money is coming from. To prove or decline let Mac 
 
SPEAKER: 
I will second that motion, Mr. chair. Speak up we still have the same motion are and same secondary. And you have got all that (indiscernible) Councilman Robbins. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Does this motion include will it be an automatic or are they going to bring it back to show us where Kent, where the funding is coming from before we just go ahead and spend it? 
 
SPEAKER: 
The way I understood the motion is that it is coming back with some more information. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Now that we understand the direction, we will continue to all look at George and I we are already talking what are some priorities that we could say that are no longer priorities. So, now that we understand the tact of counsel, we will find the money. Find the money. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Who said that? (Laughs) Yes, and I bet we will get some donations. OK, that makes the motion of little clearer, so this will come back. This gives the staff the ability to go and find the money and write the details and bring it back for another vote. Any other questions, debate? Does everybody understand the motion on the floor? 
 
All in favor, actually, Carissa, why don't you call the role? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Mr. Kent, Mr. Reinhart, Mr. Robbins, Mr. Santiago, Mr. Dempsey, Mr. Johansson, Mr. Brower. I will make it seven. She correct that he very much Brad, from hearing back from you. Thank you Alan, well done. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Item 22, an ordinance approving an extension to the Interlocal service boundary agreement with the city of Ormond Beach. 
 
SPEAKER: 
(indiscernible) with me Carol McFarland, planning Director just in case you have any questions or want you to know how this work. This is ordinance 23 four – 22, this is an ordinance that approves the interlocal service brownie of the ISBA between the County and the city of Ormond Beach, and all it does is it renews it for another 10 years. 
 
No changes to the area or the terms of the ISBA. So, outlined in orange is the ISBA area, it is a US one corridor area. It is expanded twice to include, I think that is (indiscernible) up there, and a little bit of a small additional piece. So, it was approved in 2014. This is the 10 year university and the expiration date. There are two expansions that have been approved for the ISBA. 
 
When we set the initial resolution in 2023 cub and got from the city of Ormond is essentially the city is not expanding, seeing expansion of the current ISBA. Once again, there are no changes approved in the initial terms. If approved, if this ordinance is approved, it is good for another 10 years. We do kind of a five-year how are we doing, and this also serves as a joint planning agreement. 
 
In advance of annexation, if our property wasn't annexed, the city of Ormond Beach has a land use zoning and building (indiscernible) with the annexation process. The purpose is to (indiscernible) orderly annexation process. The provision of services, and infrastructure. So, the ISBA also has the great function of allowing annexations that are not completely continuous as long as it is within the ISBA. 
 
With that staff is recommending approval of this ordinance for another 10 years. And Carol McFarland is here in case if you guys have any questions on how it will move forward. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Before we moved to a motion, does anyone have any questions? OK, Councilman Robbins. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Thank you. We ran into some issues, obviously, where it was brought up that maybe we should have looked at things sooner or earlier because of city growing outward, right? You said that this is going to be renewed for another 10 years or 14 years? 
 
SPEAKER: 
10 years. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Should we look at not giving at this 10 year period or subdued for two years, four years, five years, six years? Because 10 years is a long time. A couple people mentioned (indiscernible) look at this more. 
 
That is the early reason I am praying that up is 10 years too long? Or have we looked at their growth pattern, and made any other updated projections? That is really reason I'm asking. The CYA here. 
 
SPEAKER: 
The ultimate agreement is 10 years. There is a provision after five years, staff gets together and see how the ISBA has working, and whether or not they need to terminate. That is a function that we did in 2000, 2019, when we worked our (indiscernible) analyzed the ISBA, how it has been functioning, staff was pretty happy with the results, and then let it run its complete 10 years. And that provision remains here. 
 
So we do have a five-year review period, in which case, the county or the city can invoke termination process if things go pear-shaped. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Within that ISBA that we have, the current agreement, do we have a status report on the health report on how this current ISBA went for the last 14 years? Because it looked like it made it all the way to your 14 without any issues, and that all of a sudden some of this was an issue? I am trying to avoid some of this political. 
 
SPEAKER: 
This has been one of our more successful ISBA's because it is small, pretty purpose built, (indiscernible) ISBA, so we, staff got together in 2020, 2021 to review it, there were no issues with it. There is only a few remaining parcels in the ISBA because remember the purpose of the ISBA is that these areas should be annexed into the city or should be part of the city in the future. You know, planning, it is a planning document, so we are planning for the orderly annexation including services and infrastructure. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
What is the forecast for that? What are we planning to do up there? 
 
SPEAKER: 
For that, 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
In two years it is already annexed up there? Six years, never? 
 
SPEAKER: 
This is a voluntary annexation type process. So, the property owners within the ISBA are, you know, when, when they pull a benefit permit, when they pull a permit -- pull a permit and usually there is a water agreement. You will voluntarily annex into the city. So the timing is handled by the property owners within the ISBA. 
 
This kind of smooths the process of annexation into the city. These are, we have identified these parcels that should go into the city, and so we have generated a process to make it easier. We've got a lot of kind of friction... 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
And I am asking some of this because I'm seeing some of this in southeast Volusia as well, and I cannot place... What I'm hearing it is a voluntary annexation, they have to meet ABCD, the requirements, if they meet those requirements, they get annexed in or can the municipality or the county still deny the annexation? 
 
SPEAKER: 
The municipality is the one who controls the annexations. It would have to be something very egregious for the city to not annex a property that is within the ISBA. These are kind of set up to be annexed whenever they are ready to be annexed. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
But that doesn't open up any additional liability for us? We're doing our part, we are covered. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes. 
 
DANNY ROBINS: 
Alright, thanks. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Further questions, San Diego. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
... How the tax revenues are dispersed? Does County still get the same share as if it is an unincorporated area? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Councilman deftly did you have a question? 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I guess I will little confused. I am sorry. Looking at page 4 of the previous ISBA, and I am kind of along the lines with Danny. I'm concerned a bout a 10 year commitment. Especially with all of the issues with the citizens about responsible growth and wanting to, you know, have some sort of ability to watch over it. 
 
You are say that there is a five year window first, and then we can opt out after five? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes, (indiscernible). 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
If you look at page 4 of the previous agreement, it was also for 10 years, but if you look at paragraph five on page 4, it says that the county or the city is under the termination of agreement provision, county or city may terminate this agreement or sub agreement at any time upon written notice of termination delivered no later than May 1 in order to terminate the effective December 31. 
 
So the previous agreement, if we did not like the way that the city the annexations, we would've been able to on or before May 1 and say we have had it, we do not like this anymore, we want out and we could be out by the end of the year. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Why cannot we not have the same provision in the tenure? 
 
SPEAKER: 
It is still here, it is just basically replicate everything except we are starting at the tenure process. This is still here if either us or the city do not like the ISBA. You can trigger the termination provision, and it will just and at the end of the year. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I am confused because in response to the (indiscernible) why does it have to be 10? Because I do not necessarily wanted to be a 10 year marriage. I would like to have the ability to get out of it if we don't like it. 
 
SPEAKER: 
And that is still here. You can get out of it but the agreement is for 10 years. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
What was a five-year window? 
 
SPEAKER: 
On that same page, you can see the second paragraph at the end of the fifth year, the County and the city shall review... May continue for the initial term, and as the parties desire or be terminated in terms of paragraph five which you were just reading. The fifth year, we kind of do a true up of hay, how we been doing these five years? 
 
And if either of us do not like it, you know, we can terminated by using the pick of the provisions of paragraph five which you can use the provisions of paragraph five to terminate it earlier at any time. 
 
This just kind of gives a five-year review cycle that is formalized in the agreement instead of just doing it ad hoc in case if any issues arise.  
 
SPEAKER: 
Does that expose us to any type of liability (indiscernible)? 
 
SPEAKER: 
No. It's mutual agreement. It will terminate the ISBA in the properties that are properly annexed with the city and everything else is on (indiscernible). 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Let Councilman Robbins ask his question first. 
 
DANNY ROBBINS: 
Obviously there were some issues with this ISBA. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I don't believe there were any issues with the ISBA but there were problems outside of it because those properties were not identified for annexation in the city of (unknown term) did not have control of properties as they would if a property is (indiscernible). There's no issues with the ISBA itself. 
 
DANNY ROBBINS: 
I would think a reasonable person would want more control of that. Were still in limbo. Want to make sure if we renew it if it was an asset that failed prior where we were doing it. But if you're saying everything is hunky-dory I will take your word for it. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Quick question on that. You took it off the screen too fast and I couldn't read it. How is that termination triggered? If we did it a year from now. 
 
SPEAKER: 
There is a notice provision. If there are issues that we could not work out to a dispute resolution on page 8 you notice we provide written notice to the city of Long Beach prior to May 1 in the agreement will terminate December 31 of that year. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Could not be initiated by this counsel? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Either the city or counsel can terminate this agreement. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you. Councilman Reinhart? 
 
SPEAKER: 
You just answered how and who initiates it. With relation to what Mr. Robins said the properties were referring to that are outside the US on corridor, this letter ISBA. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Vice chair Kent. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Thank you. Do any of the other 15 cities in their local service boundary agreements? The County of Volusia? As far as the terms go how do they compare to this? 
 
SPEAKER: 
It's the only one we have a strong joint planning agreement that allows to take building permit in advance of annexation. Previously owned Smyrna Beach had something similar but we ruled that provision so it is functionally ISBA that is similar to others. It's properties that are identified to be annexed into the city so you smooth out the annexation process and some agreements for water, sewer, fire services, transfer roads, transfer of services, who gets to keep what and who services. We've got multiple ISBA to have those resources. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Sound like being good partner and common sense question making sure things need to be answered and things are taken care of. Thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
D of a question? We have one more question. Councilman Reinhart. 
 
SPEAKER: 
You said new Smyrna do they still have an ISBA? I know it stopped a few years ago. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We amended it so that Smyrna was no longer an issue with permits in an unincorporated area of the county. It's just kind of an ISBA for properties that want to voluntarily addicts. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Does that give us cause to look at our other agreements? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I think the history of this ISBA it's my understanding it was from some unwanted uses on US one corridor 
 
SPEAKER: 
There's no reason to look at the other ones is what I'm saying. 
 
SPEAKER:

Correct. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you very much. That's the end of questions. It will contain a motion. Councilman Santiago? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Moved to approve. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Second for Kent. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Santiago makes a motion to approve the boundary agreement and seconded by vice chair Kent. Any discussion? All in favor of approving the agreement say aye. Any opposed? Motion Carrie 7-0 thank you for answering all the questions. 
 
Contract with GPS civil construction Daytona Beach international Airport runway. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good morning. Karen East report director. We are requesting your approval of contract the GPS civil construction for runway 25 right safety area construction project in the amount of 5.995555 of which 95% of that is grant funded through FAA and the DOT. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you very much. Councilman Santiago? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Moved to approve. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
I don't know if you had a questioner? We have a motion by Councilman Santiago to approve and the second is by Councilman Reinhart to approve the civil construction. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Approved 7-0. Good job. 
 
Item 24. Proposed vacation of a portion of Davis Park. 13th edition to our city. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good morning. (Unknown Name) County engineer. This proposed vacation is actually associated with item 25 as well so it's a different group both with the first one I would not recommend an recommendation for the second one. 
 
This is a recommendation to move (indiscernible) requests, right-of-way area. Alleyway and area north of Deltona on Eastern I four. No objections from the neighbors or the utility. We recommend approval. As part of this the property owner will also be dedicating an additional (indiscernible) which would allow us in the future to make any improvements. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK, thank you. Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Moved to approve. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Moved to approve. David Santiago. Second? Second by vice chair Kent. Questions for staff? Any discussion? All we favor of the vacation say aye. Motion approved 27-0. That brings you 25. 
 
SPEAKER: 
10 foot easement we got from the property for right-of-way. Since we just vacated the adjacent right-of-way makes no sense to (indiscernible) recommend. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Moved to approve. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Motion to approve by David Santiago and second by Vice Chair Kent. Any questions for staff? All in favor say aye? Any opposed? Motion carries 7-0. 
 
Tadd you're still up for item 26. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Petitioners were requesting the vacation of another unopened right-of-way. This is in the second edition of Carnell on the east side of Dale Tona. The section of seventh Avenue to the east in this block being vacated which means (indiscernible) utilities and no objections from the neighbors. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Councilman Santiago? 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Motion to approve. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Motion to approve by Councilman Santiago and second by Matt Reinhart. Any questions for staff? Debate? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? All your vacations are approved. Have fun. 
 
Item 27. Ordered is 2024 – 20. The killer access fees. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Got to be nice to Ben. It's his birthday I just learned. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Good morning. Ben Bartlett, public works director. Two agenda items. Item 27 is the change to the beach go to amend the fees as directed by the Council in March, and the second would be the contract with the vendor who will be the new vendor for managing beach access program. 
 
Q clic timeline of how we got here. (indiscernible) program for the on beach access. We went through that process, selection committee selected PCI services and we are here to recommend approval of their contract. What are we looking at with their contract? Automated vehicular on beach access using LDR tech algae in the same we are using for the offbeat program. 
 
We are going to have the ability to switch ramps between automated and a hybrid with a staff attendant. The PCI is already engaged in the current total attendance as far as staff utilizing are going to have to take control of the contract immediately on October 1. Obviously the equipment will be in place that day but they still have to maintain access to the beach. 
 
Same as we discussed with the off beach program. 90% accuracy on residential verification. Vehicles live in Volusia County should be able to go online and get the information in an instant verification as to residential status. The advantage to have existed programs that register at same time also one thing we are working hard on is real-time ramp status. Visibility only app. 
 
One of the largest issues we have is the tides or the capacity we go to the beach and try to find location on the beach we can get on the full, impacted by tides. If we can get folks looking at the app before they leave the house to decide where they want to go and then see, oh, my favorite ramp in so-and-so is busy that we switch gears and go somewhere else we can get those folks to make a plan before they even leave their house, before they get off the highway that will dramatically improve a lot of the stacking that occurs in areas where we have capacity issues on the beach. 
 
By awarding this contract to PCI and having both contracts with them we will realize in annual savings of $450,000 for both contracts. The timeline of transition, like I said, they're going to take over maintaining or managing access to the beach on October 1. We have extensive public messaging just like we talked about with the off beach program and the new technology will be installed in phases. We expect full rollout by February 2025. 
 
All behavior will be equipped for hibernation. Schedule B based on the demand. A good example was earlier this week we had a little bit of a storm moved through. A lot of people on the beach focus to have to have total attendance out there in case someone wanted to go on the beach for access like that. 
 
With this type of program we would not have the staff those with people, we could leave them automated. What this ensures is we can have all ramps open all the time. In the off-season, hybrid situations with staff, tool takers. 
 
What are we requesting approval for? The next item will be the actual agreement and this current item will be the approval of the ordinance that changes the access fees and the fees have been adjusted as shown for the Council direction back in March. There will be beach access for residents at no additional charge and the rates for the nonresidents of gone up and it does include the sunset provision directed by counsel on January 31. Counsel takes no action in the residence refer back to $25 year which is what it is presently. 
 
Happy to answer any questions you may have on the change in the beach code. I would remind counsel that changing the beach code fees requires a majority of five votes to change those fees. Happy to answer questions you may have.  
 
SPEAKER: 
What is the savings of having two companies do both? 
 
SPEAKER: 
(indiscernible) is $200,000 on the off beach, so the offbeat contract was approved at a proximally $1.5 million a year (indiscernible). And then this contract includes a $250,000 savings. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Can we transfer those savings to a regroup of the Volusia County? County management. OK. No other questions? Vice chair can't. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Canada present CEO of the business who is possibly going to get this contract come forward? I would ask you something on the fly here before. I've never spoken you before. But I would be remiss if I didn't do this. I am appreciative for the county residents that they are going to get a discount for the on beach parking of $250,000. 
 
And the 200,000 for the off beach parking. I would ask your question, I will put you on the spot. I would like to change you that second 122 order for 2000. I would like $50,000 board discount for the county if we give you this contract. Instead of a 450,000, I would like 500,000 as a discount. I dig it is here, either you can do it, and like I said, I kind of hate to throw you on the spot like this, but I would be remiss if I went home tonight and that did not happen. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Well you have got the attention of all the attorneys over there. Speak back that is OK, let them get the attention. If we can save $50,000 we can say 50,000 bells. I dig it is a fair request. I dig it certainly can be done, I think by getting both contracts, and I do not think this is unfair to your company either. 
 
I dig it is fair all around, and it is fair for you to say no, give me a good reason why but it is fair to say no. But I think it is also fair to say yes. 
 
SPEAKER: 
What I would ask you to do is give us a few bursa talk about it. We if you could skip over that while we turn to it, you have the ordinance in front of you now, but we will get you the answer. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Sure. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK, questions still? Comments? OK. Matt Reinhart. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
Thank you, chair. Well, Mr. Kant, you got me on that one. I do not see that one coming. A comment was made by pretty much everybody on the days that we are here for our citizens. We listen to our constituents, and those specific areas, I had up meeting in fact last night at one of the condo associations when they brought up the fact of their fear of just a massive dump of vehicles on the beach. 
 
In already areas that are approved, I get it. But I think you can't do that with the fact that we have the ability to shut those gates when you see the beach get to a capacity level. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Well, not only that. It is not like it is the offbeat parking where you could just pull it and it takes a picture of your license plate, there will be a gate arm there that if your license plate, if you do not have an annual pass you will not get on period. And it you have the ability at the kiosks to pay at that point. 
 
MATT REINHART: 
That answered weather concerns. I will tell you, when we talked about making up the cost of what the residence don't pay no, and what will not be paid now as a result of this new ordinance being passed, and then it was brought up that, and I'm glad that Mr. Kent brought up, have a solution. We have created off beach parking to compensate for that. 
 
Which will not start until January, so we really do not know what the impact will be. Do I think that we are going to get money from paid parking? Absolutely. Do whether you will be enough to offset the cost of what we may not get as a result of the beach access? I do not know. 
 
It was a very lengthy conversation last night that we had. And where the individuals brought up to me said, listen, I can go to a park, and I use the same example, I think. I can go to a park, a public park, and not pay a dime. I can walk onto the park without doing anything, without paying anything to enjoy the park. 
 
However, there is a pavilion in that park and I want to utilize that pavilion, I have to pay a fee. I can go onto the beach, I can walk or ride my bike to the beach without having to pay anything whether you implement this or not. However, if I want to utilize a user fee of parking my car on the beach I have to pay a fee. It is a user fee. I love the opportunity that we give this and I will tell you and full disclosure that I love the opportunity that we can't eliminate some of the stacking that is occurring, because that is a big issue on (indiscernible) especially on the (indiscernible). 
 
And some of those concerns that we're talk about are in the shores (indiscernible) and we will talk about the amount or the capacity that they will not handle on the beach when they see those ramps closed or add capacity in other areas of the beach, that they will divert to Ponce Inlet. I have to speak up for the citizens of Ponce Inlet, and say that they will go there and it woke, that road is very narrow, very small. I'm not saying i am just raising these concerns. 
 
We do have the option of this issue sunsetting in 2026 if we do not do anything. But I will tell you, after all this is going through my head and I plan on discussing this and I told those residents that I will bring up these points for discussion because that is what it is about, I was definitely impressed with Mr. Ken's last comment about the additional money. Money makes a difference also. I would be remiss also if I did not mention that. I'll be interested to hear what the rest of my colleagues say but I did want to bring those issues up in all fairness because we all are here for our citizens. We are that voice. I want to bring that to their touching. Thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK, I think I'm going to wait on my question because it will really come from the attorneys over there still discussing this. I love the ask, I am concerned and I want to know and I'm sure that you do, too, if this triggers an automatic restart of the whole procurement process if we have to relet it? I do not know if they are ready yet. But does it look like it? So vice chair, Ken? 
 
TROY KENT: 
If the lawyers say that a triggers, I will withdraw the request and then we will have a private conversation with our lawyer behind closed doors because (indiscernible) like me, just like me, you may dislike this request, but residents love this request. I have done this on the fly before. I have saved residents money on the dais before, and it can be done today. This is a lucrative contract, this is a great contract. 
 
This is something that can be done. If no one else has questions, chairman, I can go to my comments. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
We have some other questions. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I have a question. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Councilman Santiago. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
I just want to reemphasize if you could the sunset clause in here, and how it is triggered or not triggered. 
 
SPEAKER: 
So, based on counsel's direction on March 5, 2024, the, you know, the no additional charge for residences will sunset on January 31, 2026 unless, you know, council votes to continue it it requires amendment to the ordinance (indiscernible) as it has to do with fees. 
 
If counsel does nothing or future counsel does nothing come January 31, 2026, it reverts back to $25 for a resident to get an annual pass basically as it stands today. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Would it be inappropriate for me to add an amendment to this ordinance specify that in December 2025, as a first meeting of December 2025, you know what, I will change that because typically the second meeting of December 2025 don't have that one. I will say November. The first meeting in November that we get a financial analysis from staff outlining the fiscal effects of this ordinance, I knows staff will probably do it but I would rather put it in the ordinance that it is in their as we proceed if this gets approved or not. 
 
It would be within, yes, our power to do that. Thank you for that. And I just want to elaborate, the reason I put forward that come about the suggestion for the sunset, is that because we are taking a risk here fiscally by waiving this fee, which I am supportive of. 
 
But we also have to measure it accurately so that we do not impact our financial situation negatively. And I will just say this, Mr. chair, and I know that staff has not comment on the request. I struggle with the request, Troy, I just want to let you know, for the person to pay another amount only because I think it is a great gesture, what I do not want to set precedents that when we have potential partners or vendors that want to do business with the county, that they feel the pressure that when they come to, in good faith, to solidify the approval of the, the fairly executed procurement process, that they have that pressure. It is just the fundamental with me, but just to let you know. 
 
If we tell the staff that afterwards to award it, and they do the amendments necessary to try to get more money, I like that. But I don't want people to feel pressured when they come before us to get a contract that you may or may not be asked 
 
(Multiple speakers) 
 
SPEAKER: 
, Yeah, I appreciate it. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I am just going to tell you, I appreciate that, and I agree with that. I will withdraw that request. You do not have to answer that. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Jake Johansson four questions. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
To reopen up item 28 four. 
 
(Multiple speakers) 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Just to clarify, how does the contract play into this? We are just talking about fee right now? Who does it in 2028? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Correct. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
Said this is just 27. Speak about this is just the fees that we are going to charge before. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I know longer have the questions I would love to hear from the public and open up the debate, continue debate. And the reason I asked that, Chairman, is because we have some two bites at the apple rule. And we have two items. So, if we can I mix and match them, some people have spoken twice on 28 already and we have not even gone to 28, and I just want to keep it clear. If we open both and I am game. 
 
But right now we are on 27, so I would like to continue. Thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK, Troy, are you done on this item? OK. Jay, you are done. I'm going to clear that and we have one member of the public who would like to speak, John Nicholson. 
 
SPEAKER: 
John Nicholson (indiscernible). With regard to the free access for residents, I understand that it is a popular thing, but it sets a precedent, alright. I think of it as a user fee, and I understand that some of you think that five cents for a resident to access the beach is a lot of money, which it is not, OK, going anywhere for five cents for eight hours is great. Alright. 
 
So, it is not a money issue, it is we have a right to our beach to access it free because we always did it. Well, we always parked free at the airport, and now we have to pay to park at the airport. Well, if you pass this than by logic, anyone from the county going to the airport should not have to pay because we already support the airport. 
 
The parking garage next to my house, when it went into effect, you should've heard the out uproar of people having to pay for graduation. They had to pay a dollar to park in a parking garage to watch their kids graduate, and they basically said we should not have to. 
 
We should be able to have our kids graduate free. Where does this go next? Alright, once you say that they don't have to pay, how can we not say, the people that graduate, and use the parking garage for the ocean center, why should they have to pay? Because they pay for the parking garage. 
 
And then secondly, it is a maintenance fee. Those people, like myself, I can walk to the beach, alright. My neighbors can. But they objected to the toll when it went in. Now you are able to have free beach and tall, free beach and tall. Once you go back with the tour, you will go through all this rigmarole everyone being upset that there is a toll at the beach if you find that this does not work. 
 
It is not a good flip-flop thing, I'm sorry, it just creates problems for me. I do not know. I just, I do not think that five cents a day is expensive to ask of our residents to maintain the garbage, because we all bring garbage to the beach. We all bring things that have to be maintained. People leave things behind that have to be picked up. So, I'm asking you to think very carefully when you sit there and just think alright, I know that a lot of people would like free driving on the beach for residents, but their unintended consequences. So, please look at it carefully, thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you very much. Vice chair can't. 
 
TROY KENT: 
I am going to very publicly state that I agree with John Nicholson, but I do not believe that he can be further off on this. I totally disagree with him. If it was five cents a day, we could have that discussion, but I appreciate when people come up and they try to speak facts, and the facts are this is not free. It is at no extra charge because US County residents are already paying to the tune of $17 million out of your general fund drive on your beach. You are already paying that. 
 
This is not free. This is at no extra charge. And that is, that is a different story when you hear it like that. This also, this plan, not only that, but it brings in brand-new over $6 million. Over $6 million. That the people that live here are not paying for. 
 
The free lunch for our visitors is over. We want you to come to Volusia County, we want you to enjoy Volusia County, but your free lunch of coming here and leaving your trash on the beach like you mentioned, those days are over. We are picking up your trash, but our residents are paying for it, and that is not fair to our residents. 
 
Chairman, I make a motion to a proof item number 27... 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Is there a second? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I will second it with an amendment. The amendment is to have staff bring us a fiscal analysis of the effects of this ordinance the first meeting of November 2025. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK, let us deal with the amendment. 
 
(Multiple speakers) 
 
TROY KENT: 
I think that might be cleaner? Are you OK with that? I will withdraw my motion, I will make my motion now to approve item number 27 with the caveat that staff will come back in the first meeting of November with all the financials of where we are in the program. If that is sufficient. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK, and so your second stance? How does that affect the implementation (indiscernible) 
 
SPEAKER: 
Still starting January 1 like we talked about. It is either October or January 1, so this would be almost a full year. We will have the summer season under our belt. We will see where this is. We will get feedback from our residents and the wildly outlandish fears that you hear about from some people who are in my opinion want a private beach can be quelled. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Just to be clear these fees go into effect on October 1, (indiscernible) and there will be a transition from tags and everything like that that has to be worked out, but starting October 1 is when the new fees go into effect. 


SPEAKER: 
I am in fine with that but the (indiscernible) OK, I'm fine with that.  
 
SPEAKER: 
Just to clarify based on Mr. Kent's motion there's going to be right after on paragraph, section 20 – 203 subsection C) (indiscernible) later saying by the first meeting in November the fiscal analysis shall be provided to County Counsel on the program. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Very good. Councilman Reinhart? 
 
SPEAKER: 
The first and I want to point out the people I'm referring to that had this conversation with me in the Sures are not looking for their own private each. Daytona Beach Shores is the longest area of continuous driving, up to 17 miles of beach and they're all looking for the removal of that. I want to make it very clear on in favor of beach driving, absolutely in favor of it, 100%. The other thing the comment was made, and this is debate time when we do this, talk about how it's already been paid for out of taxes. You are right. People that pay property taxes. What about the individuals that rent that are going to the beach that are not paying property taxes. We are footing that cost as well for them I'm just going to put that out there for them. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thanks you. Councilman Dempsey? 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
I don't really keep score how often I agree with John Nicholson or not this time I do agree with John. This user fee is five cents a day. $25 year I think is insignificant, I agree with Troy though the taxpayers should receive a benefit for their tax dollar. Guess it sounds better to say free driving on the beach than $25 a year or whatever for the beach but I'm seeing this as a pilot program. I would probably be against this if it wasn't a sunset because the only reason I'm in support of this is because I want to see how much the additional fees to nonresidents makes up for the loss of revenue residence with the passes. I'm good with that. 
 
I'm good with residents not paying to get on the beach annually, but like to see the out of county people make up for that because what I don't like to see, or the numerous people who don't even use the beach, particularly the West Siders I would think more so, having to pay taxes or maybe even potentially more taxes to support free beach driving when they don't even use the beach. I'm hoping this new structuring of fees will not result in an increased tax burden on the Volusia County taxpayers who don't even use the beach. That's what I am in support of. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you. Councilman Robbins. 
 
DANNY ROBBINS: 
Thank you, chair. There's a couple of things that have transpired since we initially started talking about this and I feel a lot like Don. We are taking about a year risk, just yesterday the market crashed a thousand points. Everything is in collapse right now until after the November election is over. I would personally feel more comfortable, and this isn't a life or death situation, I don't want to experience Murphy's Law here because a lot of things can happen with this national election of the economy. You can have a political pandemic likely seen in the past. 
 
Carissa, I sent the picture to your email. Just north of us in Flagler Beach there's a 10 foot drop off now on their beach where you can have. 
 
SPEAKER: 
It has to go to (indiscernible) 
 
DANNY ROBBINS: 
Long story short I'm for exploring this. I think with recent events we need to think about this and time it a bit better because, like Don said, in a perfect scenario these figures are fine. We are not dealing with a perfect scenario here and nothing is certain. I would personally like to see optimally and see what our intake is for the off beach parking. Can you enlarge that? That wasn't even from a storm but certain things like this are happening even with the re-nourished, re-nourished section of the beach. I think there is multiple issues here that are factual that must be taken into consideration, but I would personally like to see the off beach parking figures come in before we sort of just put our toe in the pool and jump headfirst in and hoping for the best but meanwhile the floss even within a year I don't anyone of us is fiscally conservative as where would risk our paychecks or salaries to take that kind of gamble with our money until the process is why do it with the taxpayers? Just my two cents. Thanks. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you. I'm just going to say Troy I will support this. This is a trial period. We are going to see what money comes in. All got our sunset and Councilman Santiago added language for full financial disclosure so I am comfortable with that, but I also think somebody said renters don't pay property taxes. That's just false. Renters pay as much property tax as anyone else, they just don't pay it directly. The landlords when the property taxes go up they raise the rents and so renters are often the forgotten property tax people. This is certainly not free access. It's already paid for. 
 
The collapse in the stock market is a really good example of how the people of Volusia County are hurting. People all over the country but certainly English counties no exception. People are hurting in anything we can do to make sure they don't get double taxed and pay twice for the same service. In going to be for and support vice chair Kent. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you Chairman. You took the words out of my mouth about renters not paying property taxes so I will leave that alone. We don't know what the market is going to do at the end of clothes today before the end of this week or the next month. But if things really do go south I remember my mother taking her six children in a station wagon with a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter and jelly down to that beach at no extra charge and having a like Disney World and I think about those families that are hurting financially that can enjoy their beach the way my mother did it with us and that's good stuff. 
 
I had one more piece here. I love that all ramps will be open all of the time. I'm super appreciative of that access. I publicly want to think councilmember David Santiago because you don't know what you don't know. And my mind works a certain way. I didn't even think about a sunsetting clause, but I really like the idea because I think this counsel is going to be able to see how beneficial financially it is for this county to do that and I just publicly wanted to thank you for that. 
 
If this passes Volusia County we are giving you the beach back. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Councilman Robbins? 
 
DANNY ROBBINS: 
Thank you chair. Don't get me wrong and I agree with you chair. All of our people are hurting in many ways, but knowing that is the risk versus reward because all the red flags for disaster in a perfect storm are there. In my lifetime I don't remember a more toxic, divided, and hostile in a lot of cases nation than what we have right now. 
 
I think it is prudent to take some of these other red flags and concerns into play because people still can access the beach, but counting our chickens before they hatch essentially and giving up this ground and taking this risk when all of us pretty much rely on the pickle that the economy is in, the pickle that our people are in. To me it's business. I don't operate that way and I'm not willing to do that with taxpayer money right now. 
 
What I can do to help with the super majority right can be 100% headfirst in, I can support this, you'll have my word, let's do it after the general election to see where this goes because we need a super majority on this. Correct? 
 
SPEAKER: 
5-7. 
 
DANNY ROBBINS: 
I can get on board with 100%. I don't know if we are there yet and I don't want to waste. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
The motion is to approve the fees in item 27 but with the amendment that the staff comes back with full financial disclosure figures by November of this year. 
 
SPEAKER: 
2025. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you for making that clear so that people know what we are voting on. You call the vote please?  
 
(Roll Call)  
 
SPEAKER: 
Mr. Brower. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Yes, and motion carries 522, congratulations to the citizens of Volusia County. But brings us to item 28. But wait, there's more. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I do not have another presentation. I will talk about what is entailed in the program with this vendor. And I'm happy to any questions of the vendors here if you have questions related technology. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK, Councilman Santiago. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
And I think the vendor has done a really good job, I moved to approve the contract. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Motion to approve the contract by David Santiago. Is there a second? 
 
SPEAKER: 
real quick I apologize, there's also additional task assignment with our consultant to help us through the transition with all the technology and everything. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Without amendment I amend my motion. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
And the second comes from Jake Johansson. In question first. David. Jake Johansson. No questions. I am way to clear this cub alone. OK, then we have a motion to approve by David Santiago, second by Jake Johansson. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Mr. chair, just before the boat so it is clear enough from earlier. We are not aware of any legal prohibition that Rick (indiscernible) 
 
(Multiple speakers) 
 
SPEAKER: 
Is off the table. 
 
SPEAKER: 
David Santiago brought too much common sense to the table. Thanks for too much common sense. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK, so (indiscernible) agreement for vehicular beach access collection services. All in five or say I. Any opposed? And it passes 7 to 0. This is a years worth of work. Thank you. Thank you. 
 
(Multiple speakers) 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Mr. Brower, I had a public comment on item 28. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
I did not have it. Did you want us to. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I would like to listen to the public comments from our partners. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
And it is from Mike Disher of Potts Inlet. You have been sitting here although. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We are here in support. Thank you, good afternoon, thank you County chair, Councilman, and staff. We just want to say that we applaud the county leadership on these issue to update the beach access program, and regardless of the fees, we always agree that this is important to manage not just the beach access, but all the traffic that goes with it. 
 
We know that the beach is only going to grow in popularity. This is due to growth in the states, the population, the county population, and it is an attractive beach so more people are going to come here every year. 
 
We've been experiencing this in Ponce Inlet. This Memorial Day weekend we recorded 22,000 people coming in, vehicles, that is 2000 more than last year, and that is hard for a little town like ours. We only have (indiscernible) residence, which is why we are in great support of anything that can be done to manage the traffic and the access to that beach in coordinated fashion. We are here to express our interest to work with the county to support that effort. 
 
We have hired our own additional police officers, we are poor to say (indiscernible). We've been invited by your staff made aware that we could coordinate that with the county system. So we are in great support to do that. 
 
So, yeah, I would happy to be answer any questions you have otherwise thank you very much. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you for coming in. You heard the boat. It is significant to have the support and we really appreciate that. And you have a similar issue as Flagler Avenue in (Unknown name). It is wildly popular. You have some of the best restaurants in Volusia County that happened to be along the coast in Ponce Inlet. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We are not have necessarily all of the (indiscernible) but we are also at a dead end which makes it a little bit more different. But yeah, that's why it is important. We want to make sure that any traffic, first of all, that people entering the town know whether there is a space available or not. If there is not, then they can turn around and go look somewhere else. 
 
The other issue that is important is when that traffic starts to backup, it starts to impact the residential side streets. Right there are the (indiscernible) so we are trying to help them keep the impact off of them as much as we can. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you, and I will go back to something that Ben said when he started about that beach app. We have got to get people on there. I get notifications all day long about which approaches are open. It makes me want to quick work and go to the beach, so that is an important part of this, too. Vice chair can't. 
 
TROY KENT: 
To the city manager, I wanted to support you and your Commissioner Skip White who was been in the audience all day. Thank you, take you for being here for the support. But thank you for the partnership. You touched on that keyword. When you are successful, one Ponce Inlet is successful, Volusia County is successful. And that open dialogue and working together is an equation for great stuff. 
 
And I am appreciative of you and your elected body in Ponce Inlet. They are a group of people and keep the dialogue open at I agree with the chairman. Your restaurants down there are second to none. They are amazing and I love, when I am down there, I love seeing how popular Ponce Inlet is because it is an absolute diamond in the state of Florida. Thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you very much. Appreciate that. OK, counsel, we have an important decision to make. Do we move to public participation and final comments, or, pardon me? 
 
Right. Oh, on this item? OK, just general public comments. Or we could take a brief break right now. 
 
SPEAKER: 
My vote is to finish it out and let everybody go home. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
OK, everybody was to keep going so we will move to public participation. John Nicholson. Thank you, staff. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Doing a good job on that beach. 
 
SPEAKER: 
One on the cost of 10,000, I'm wondering whether (indiscernible) we have extra funds that we are trying to get rid of. It is obviously an environmental thing, it is obviously an outside thing. So, the loop is something that benefits everybody. And for us in Daytona Beach, it is a cultural thing. 
 
Bikers go to the loop, so think about the idea of using the echo funds not only for the loop, but for the entire county because that it is what is voted in for. Secondly, although you did not mention it, there were over $8 million for affordable housing right at the beginning of your consent agenda. 
 
Many people are talking about affordable housing, affordable housing, affordable housing. You guys just did it. $8 million is a lot of money, and it will go a pretty good distance. 
 
Secondly, is there a possibility of looking at water storage countywide? Because we are going to keep growing. And we cannot put storage after we have already put in a development. So, could we look in advance by saying you know, I understand you own this property, but we need X amount. 10%, 20% or whatever it is for water storage. 
 
Because I understand in Daytona Beach at one point you said that you could not cover more than 25% of your land. And then it went up to 50% then it went up to 75%. So we kept increasing the amount of coverage that could be kept from water storage. 
 
So, I am asking us to not do that in the future. To find out where to store water now before we cover up too much of it. And lastly, I ask you to pay attention to Daytona Beach. There was talk, missed the meeting, about... About 16 million or so into Midtown And we have put about $1 million on the beach side. 
 
It is our economic engine, but DOT is planning on redoing a 1A, which I asked to be very cautious of. We do not want to screw that up, and secondly it affects all of you. Alright. The money we either make or lose in Daytona Beach will affect your budget because Daytona Beach is a donor city. 
 
We donate... We donate to the schools, which we do not get back. We keep donating because we have the tourists. We have the int infrastructure, etc. I'm asking you, when the city decided to spend money on the beach side, make your voices known to whoever you know in the city, and then we will hyper out or whatever. Please pay attention to what is going on in Daytona Beach. Thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you very much. That takes us to the County manager. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Just a couple things. Actually some good news. We put out today a announcement of (indiscernible) Which you guys all supported... They have added back there nonstop service to Daytona Beach from Wilmington airport... They have added that back into the mix, and I think that is a big thing, and then we will have another big announcement we will make tomorrow for a different airline that is going to be coming in and adding more routes to our market. So stay tuned for that tomorrow and we can make that public. 
 
I also have some good news I want to talk a little bit about the ocean center. A lot of things have been going on as we have had over 45,000 visitors this summer over the course of our (indiscernible) comedy Festival. You all know about, but also passion camp from July 6 to the 12th and inside out July 13 to the 19th, and then the Jurassic Quest, July 26 to the 28th. We are actually one of the busiest convention centers or arenas in the (indiscernible) just in the summer. 
 
(indiscernible) at about 7000, and in that passion camp (indiscernible) it was about 10,000 combined, and that is over 10,000 room nights that we put through. It is a very big event. It is been here for several years, and I know that we have fought to keep that event. 
 
It is a very good event. A lot of meals are also, with our caterer. In fact, 40,000 meals were put through in seven days. And that Jurassic West, had a attendance of about 3000. So we have upcoming hot wheels monster truck event there. And August 31, September 1, we have 90s can't come on September 13, we have a boat show, a home show, the Mac and then sunshine slam November 25 and 26... 
 
45 second video just to show a little bit about what passion camp, just to show the potential for when we have a concert. Oh, OK sorry. 
 
(Video plays) 
 
(Music plays) OK, that's my comments. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you. I'd like to ask you a quick question. The airport announcement tomorrow, will that be a public event at the airport? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
The public is invited? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes. 10 AM. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
10 AM. It's going to be a really historical announcement for Volusia County so please come. That takes us to Michael Dyer. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Nothing at this time. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you very much. We go to counsel comments and Mr. Kent you are up first. 
 
TROY KENT: 
Thank you, Chairman. Want to start this afternoon by just saying to all of Lake County and the Lake County Sheriff Department in particular my thoughts and prayers are with your department. What happened was horrific. As the crow flies I think you're about 45 minutes away from Deland. I just want Lake County to know that Volusia County loves you, we are thinking of you, then this is why I am not afraid to support any way possible but especially financially the men and women that go to work every day with the real possibility of not coming home. 
 
Brutal news for those families and all those affected but I want Lake County to know you have people that don't even know you personally, are praying for you and thinking of you and wanting great things for you. 
 
George, I want you to work with Tammy and fix the lifeguard problem. We got to come up with a solution and this counsel might be the one that ultimately decides on that solution, but too many people drowning in Volusia County and people want lifeguards in front of them where they are swimming. Just putting that out there. No need to respond. You mentioned the ocean center. I got some information that I think is accurate, but for the Burke pressure comedy tour like you mentioned 7000 tickets sold. I heard $30,000 in parking fees and over hundred thousand dollars in concession sales. That's fantastic. 
 
I'm so glad this Council agreed that we needed to provide activities for our residents in Volusia County to attend and they are happening. My goal originally was to have 12 events a year because we've had zero and now I am thinking we might need to ramp up that to once a week seeing how successful this is, but we can talk about that later. 
 
Last but not least Ben Bartlett, is he in the house? Then, not only happy birthday but to you and George in the legal team that worked on this as well thank you for your hard work and dedication on this idea with changing how we do business on our beach. To this council and the members who were not afraid. I don't mean afraid, not saying the other ones were. That's worded incorrectly. To those that agreed today we should take the leap and test this out for a year, thank you. Thank you for your support on trying something a little different. I think that it's going to pay dividends in the future, and we did a wonderful thing for our residents. 
 
With that I will say good evening. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Councilman Reinhart? 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you for correcting that and I hope this can still succeed and hope you can hear me in the back of this is addressed to you. Just like son rail when we adjusted that role we will get behind it 110%. It will be negative about it. The idea has passed and we will reevaluate in November. I hope it will pass and you will have my support. I'll never talk negative about it. You have my support on this. You did not on the boat. I spoke for the citizens that I had comments from. I did hear from anybody in the west part of Daytona refer to it. Nonetheless I would have listened to that as well, but I do hope for the success I really do. 
 
Also, thank you, the passion camp. Great event. Anything for our youth with respect to the faith-based group out there that is outstanding. That we give them that opportunity. My understanding it's growing each year from what I spoke with the ocean center staff. I love to see that continue. Great news. 
 
Lastly I will bring up, because I did say we are the voice of our constituents and I've received a couple of phone calls with respect to the first step homeless shelter. I know that that financial contribution that the county made will be coming up and sunsetting soon if it hasn't already, but I know they are talking about it with respect to their budget. All I'm going to do is ask counsel do we even want to have a conversation about that? Just putting it out there. Do we want to talk about that? 
They do a lot of good work out there. We want to even talk about it? I'm going to leave it up to you. My colleagues here. 
 
I know we had discussed the issue of when we have storms. We just had one that we invaded, thank goodness, but when the event has a storm situation that hits this County and then we utilize the ocean center as housing of our homeless and then it takes a little while to get that out and cleaned up we've lost revenue as a result of it. Some conversation needs to be had about that. How do we help. Do we have enough space out there to be able to utilize with the homeless shelter has intended to do and not other areas? 
 
Just going to put the question about whether or not we want to attend it. I told a couple of people that I would at least ask if counsel wanted to attend that. Other than that I will leave it to you all. If no comment I will move on. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
You are not requesting a motion. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I will request a motion to discuss in the future on the homeless shelter leave it open like that. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Motion by Councilman Reinhart. Is there second on that to bring it back in a future meeting, not dated. When staff is ready to discuss the future of homeless shelters and FirstStep shelters. Is that clear? Is there a second? 
 
SPEAKER: 
I will second. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Seconded by Don Dempsey. Questions? We are going to have to talk about it. Question by David Santiago. 
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
Have we received any, from any official channel request to have that (indiscernible) 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes, verbal. The manager, well I guess actually you probably emailed me as well. He definitely emailed me and verbally asked what the status is going to be going forward. Of course I am aware the contract is sunset it in with the language in the contract was at the time 
 
SPEAKER: 
Which was done by previous counsel. 
 
SPEAKER: 
The only reason I ask is because I think anything like this will take this type of investment in consideration should come through official channels. 
 
The writing saying hey this is where we are at. And then initiate action based on that. 
 
SPEAKER: 
All I said is I would bring it to the attention. That's the avenue knocking to force anything. 
 
SPEAKER: 
The partnership we have and currently have and there's mechanisms in place for them to request whatever they want, right? I prefer to deal with it that way. Forget about the name, the entity, the cause. Everything should come to official actions. Just in my personal opinion. I think you've been probably watching and let it go through that process. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Councilman Dempsey 
 
 
 
SPEAKER: 
I'm glad you brought this up. I've heard about a number with ciders and some of the rumors were not accepting some of the West ciders. I would like staff to look into that and what their criteria is for allowing homeless people to go into the shelter, especially if there's an event coming up like the more insight on who they are letting in and who potentially they are not living in. 
 
SPEAKER: 
One of the conversations I had with respect to that was everybody has been getting email from first step with respect to how many people are brought into the shelter each month and by quarter and so on and so forth. According to their own numbers Daytona contributes the majority. Second place was the Sheriff's office. My question was with respect to the Sheriff's office who is only addressing the needs and the other corporate parts of Volusia County and Deltona and Deberry that they provide the law enforcement services for. If you look at that chart there's no city of Deltona or Deberry. Are the majority of the Sheriff's office numbers and contributions for lack of a better word from Dell tone or Deberry? I don't know if it breaks it down that far. 
 
Something to consider if we do have that conversation. I'd be curious to see how much we actually contribute as far as homeless population. 
 
SPEAKER: 
You asked the question Sheriff's office would have to provide just groups and others. 
 
SPEAKER: 
And this is in a commitment to anything. 
 
SPEAKER: 
From what I probably surmise a good portion of what's going on will be coming from Deltona and Deberry, also Oak Hill 
 
SPEAKER: 
That's true that was on there either which they also do law enforcement services on and they are cities. Part of the 60 municipalities. So, I'm not asking for any type of commitment to a contribution, I merely asking to have it added to a future agenda to discussion. That's all. 
 
SPEAKER: 
The City of DeLand we have a big problem here with the homeless issues right in the downtown historical business district. I've heard this so I would like to have them look into whether all the people in the city, the DeLand Police Department are being accepted for how that's going now. I agree. I'm sorry. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Good questions. So, the motion on the table is to bring back at a future meeting just a discussion. What's happening with homeless shelters, who do we send, no commitment for money. We could wait for a formal appeal of money from the city but the request here is just kind of preemptively finding out what's happening so we are prepared. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I think it's morphed somewhat. I don't have a problem with any of the Council member saying give me data. I support that. I think it might've been a bit blurry in the beginning at least for me as to trying to make an official request or not. Any official position should come through official channels. I support you all the way. 
 
SPEAKER: 
On favor the motion say I. Any opposed? 7-0. 
 
SPEAKER: 
I appreciate that. As for future discussion other than that I have to say, Ben, have to say this I wasn't going to say it, I don't bring a lot of things to our landfill. I had to recently and I want to tell you what a seamless process. That was awesome. I haven't been out there other than when we had the meeting out there that one time but to actually go through the process and bring stuff. I know it sounds trivial but I want to commend you and your staff. Phenomenal job. Very helpful. The signage. There is no way. If you get lost down there you don't deserve to be behind the wheel of a car. Thank you very much for a job well done and happy birthday. Deque, that's all. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Councilman Robbins. 
 
DANNY ROBBINS: 
Thank you. I want to reiterate what Councilman Reinhart said in regards to the beach toll fees. Hopefully nobody took that personally. But we also all represent different walks of life and it's a very diverse county. I have one of the largest, or the largest district in the county and just like many of you all I see some of the impacts that we are having just with the economy now. Just so folks know where I stood I just didn't feel comfortable at the moment with so many indicators there that things are not just going south, they are south. I just wasn't really willing to make this gamble because I wouldn't make this gamble with my money. I wasn't ready to do that for my constituents. I just wanted to give it more time until after elections to see if there's any sort of market correction or correction whatsoever, but you will have support in the future if it is successful. That's it, thanks. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Councilman Santiago.  
 
DAVID SANTIAGO: 
... Some tough decisions for many of us here, for all of us, but they are making lemonade really nicely over there in doing a great job. I just wanted to do that. And then, I wanted to... Talk a little bit about our partner cities. Right. 
 
It reminded me of a conversation or statements I made here maybe about a month ago or so regarding other cities and their successes, our success. Troy, you stole my line, I want you to know that. I'm go to copyright that. I think originally I had said it regarding data holder, I think today you said it about Ponce Inlet. We are having some good stuff happening at the ocean center, and it is true. We have tourism throughout our county, but the majority of it is on the east side. Let us just be factual about it. 
 
And it is an economic engine for us, and I just want to throw the idea, and I will keep bringing it up occasionally until we figure out maybe after the first of the year, I wanted to take a serious look on how we are able to partner with willing cities that want to improve that environment over there, in part that we can play a part in to help that economic engine prosper. 
 
You know, I take we can all identify areas where we would like to see improvement within that, and some of that is within our purview and some of it is with not. But I think as a county, we should have some mechanism in place. I know we have our three tourism authorities that are doing their own job to represent their areas, but I think we are missing the boat here to not find ways to tap into the potential on the east side. 
 
And how we come about that, I don't have the answers. Either it we should find ways to bring people together to look at the big picture and a long-term perspective for that economic engine because it will help all of us. 
 
I will bring it up again and maybe have better ideas later on in the future. And then Ben, you're getting a lot of love again today. Good job, man. But today on my closing I want to recognize all the other department heads. Happy birthday to all of them. So, thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you, Councilman Dempsey. OK, Councilman Johansson. 
 
JAKE JOHANSSON: 
I will take Don's time. Thank you very much, chairman. We kind of had a very pointed one on one discussion during public comment this morning that we kind of questioned Mr. Kent has brought that up a few times, you mentioned First Amendment, but I do believe in our agenda right up front in public comment. It says that all comments shall be directed to the Council as a whole. 
 
That clearly was not the Council as a whole. That was to the district representative. And I... I got the First Amendment, but once we put our butts in these chairs, we are a collective body. We can discuss our differences as this collective body of seven minds, but we are one team up here, and we are not seven individuals. 
 
And Mr. Chairman, I am just requesting that you consider stopping that. That was not a counsel, a Volusia County issue, that was a lady against a councilmember in his private capacity, and you see it in the cities, too, and they try to stop it, and then you make the front page in the newspaper or maybe the front page of the local, but there's a time at a place, and I don't think that is for this. 
 
It is a different place and that needs to be covered. And apparently it was in the courts. So, I understand that the lady was a little bit upset, but if you're going to be upset, be upset with counsel, not one of us. 
 
And if it is one of us, we are still a counsel appear. Somebody else mentioned in public comment that (indiscernible) annex, I think it was the area of (Unknown name), Tomoko Farms, I just want to know, unless if I am wrong, Mike and Ross, that cities do not go around arbitrarily annexing people. 
 
Annexing is done at the request of the landowner, correct? Yeah, so. 
 
SPEAKER: 
There is an involuntary. 
 
(Multiple speakers) 
 
SPEAKER: 
It is not used routinely. 
 
DON DEMPSEY: 
Sell Port Orange Annex, yes, Port Orange accepted the landowner's request and annexed, and there are reasons to do that, reasons not to as the person mentioned. I wanted to be clear that cities by and large are not going around annexing people for their advantage. 
 
The other thing I want to bring up is that we talk about no development. I do not want to vomit, I don't want development. And we look at the developer, and you say how dare you develop. How dare you really want my beautiful Volusia County. But I want people to consider something when it comes to property rights. 
 
If somebody who owns 160 acres right now, they bought that property for one of two reasons. Probably to farm or to grow cattle or something like that, or for a future investment. A future investment is not to sell it to a another cattleman or grower probably. 
 
And so, when those people Cerro! sell their property or on their property, I think there is a reasonable expectation that when you look at the future land use that probably or could very well happen to that property. 
 
I think there is a little due diligence we do when we go out and buy property in the vicinity of 1500 acres of nothing, and you see five or six or seven cows on it. Do not wonder, know what that is going to be in 10 five or 20 years. We are talking a lot about obsidian and Co. coordination. I do not know if this is getting better Georgian staff. But in my previous job, I got to hang out with all the other city managers and the County manager. 
 
And I thought that was kind of collaborative, and we were agreeing to disagree and doing things, and it may have happened before COVID, but I noticed during COVID that all of the department directors started communicating, or I was privy to their communication. 
 
So we have public works, public utilities communicating with each other. We have the TPO. We all communicate about traffic stuff together. I think that police chiefs get together. I know the fire chiefs get together, and so everybody is starting to march, and Jim Collins, we are starting to get on the right bus. And in the right seat on the bus, and I think we need to jump around a bit more, but we are making progress. 
 
I very much appreciate that. And the only thing, we do do it, but we do not do it officially, Mr. Chairman, I know it is harder than Hector do. I come and I've been a little remiss in this. I think we have to spend a little more time in Florida Lake cities, and county meetings, and continue to meet with our fellow elected officials formally and informally. 
 
With (indiscernible) networking. But the roundtable of elected officials, we ought to be doing stuff in that meeting, and I'm hoping we can move forward and work with the cities, and get things done. When I first got here in 2015, there were a couple of subcommittees that really got things moving. 
 
They may have failed at their conquest, but at least they tried. And I think there is merit to that moving forward. I... Tonight we had a little negotiating from the Nyers. As a city manager previously, I do not know that is this Mars were to go. If we opened up that door, then we might as well let Janine go for an early retirement, and take care of some contracts ourselves. 
 
I do not mind, I do not think that (indiscernible) elected officials weeks before, as soon as we hear or smell a little bit about a contract coming up, that we go look, get a extra 50 grand out of them or whatever the case may be. Negotiating contracts (indiscernible) I think will start, the word will get around and we will have a lot of legal people here showing up with the vendors when we are doing, when we are doing our final contract. 
 
I prefer to leave that to staff, with our staff meetings. To the public that talks about not... I want the public to know we are not trying to spend ECO money, we are not trying to get rid of it. We do have a lot, and we are using some of it in big chunks, but I don't think this Council and staff is like let us get rid of, (indiscernible) so we can get more. 
 
There have been some products that are been lying fallow that we have not been talking about that we are now considering. And we change the rules to that. I think by and large, we are being decent stewards of echo money. But what I do not want to do is start using echo for operational. I do not want to use it for reoccurring expenses. 
 
And the other comment, and I kind of used to believe this when I was in Port Orange, too. Is that some cities are donating or, they do not get a dollar for eight dollar put into echo. But then I came up to the county and it realized that I am a port orange resident and I give a dollar to echo, and I do not get use my echo dollar in Port Orange. But I get to (indiscernible) whatever I want, and (indiscernible) whatever I want, and I even come west side to enjoy some echo money over on the side. 
 
So, we do get to enjoy it, you have just got to get off your bike and get into your car to come and enjoy it. So, I think we do get to enjoy every penny of our echo dollar, it is just not right in your backyard. And I think it is very important for Eastside folks to come to the west side, and Don come if you want to come to the east side I will take you to the beach. I don't know, don't wear a bathing suit, but I will take you to the beach. 
 
And you can come and see the east side a little bit. But I think it is important that we realize that regardless of how your echo dollar goes into the coffers, it comes out and you get the benefit from it, the whole dollar. That is all I have, thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you, Lynn Flanders, I hate to do this to you, but could you please come down. I do not hate to do to you, but I do not want to discourage you from coming to further meetings. While you are on your way down I will just say real quick, give a little gratitude and thanks to Cyrus, who could not be here today for this meeting or tomorrow. 
 
He had an obligation that he needed to take care of, but this council voted to have a (indiscernible) come to Daytona Beach airport, and we got some criticism for it. I think everybody on this council has a high level of trust for Cyrus. And I do not question that at all. 
 
But Cyrus used develop as a proof of concept, and it worked. And so now we are recognized all around the country as we are a destination. Our airport is a beautiful airport, it is easy to maneuver, and he hit a homerun with (Unknown name), and now they have gotten through an issue with airplanes, their reopening routes, but it is taking us to an announcement tomorrow that will truly be historic. 
 
And I want Cyrus to know that if he listens to this later, and not just Cyrus, but his whole staff. Everybody works together, which is what I wanted to tell you. Thank you for coming. I had the pleasure meeting with you and your staff two weeks ago at the ocean center. What needs to be done in order to get the musical acts that this counsel has asked for. What I wanted to tell you is that you had your staff so ready. They asked really good questions, penetrating questions, they presented some stuff and it impressed that whole group and we need. You're going to go out and find people but we need their help as well and they feel like they have a partner now at the ocean center. Not that they did not before but there's no doubt in their mind. You need to get some recognition for that. I wanted to thank you publicly. 
 
I don't even remember the comedian's name but it was a record number of seven or 8000. What was his name? 
 
SPEAKER: 
(Unknown Name) 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Troy mentioned parking was 30,000. Beer sales hundred thousand, mean concessions on hundred thousand. Just think of what can happen when Chris Stapleton comes. The beer will be $200,000. So, thank you for what you and your staff are doing. Please let us know the help that you need from us. 
 
You are running a tight ship over there and keeping it full besides entertainment, but I think the community proved that they will support entertainment events at the ocean center as well. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Thank you. My dad once told me that if you ever see a turtle sitting on a fence post you can be rest assured they did not get there alone. It is a team effort with George and Suzanne and I think you all for your support. I've been here almost a year and it has been a fast year and I appreciate all the support that you will have given me and the confidence you've shown so thank you. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
You're welcome, so thank you. And please come back to future meetings. George, a couple of quick questions. We are redoing East IESB F.is redoing (indiscernible) and its disruptive down there. What is the status of common I'm not clear exactly how this happened, but I think there was a request for a sign on East ISB so people going to the beach approach to would turn right and it needed to be before the approach enough that they would have time to change lanes because what's happening right now is everyone is turning left when they see the approach is closed and the business is there, the concessionaires on the beach are struggling. 
 
I think a private person said we could put a sign on their property before Grandview. Where does that stand? What's the reality of it? 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
First of all there's a couple of things going on. The Department of Transportation and everywhere you're talking about it's a 1A and ISP it is there domain. They control the signs go out there right away. Usually they put up signs and I think we requested more signs to help identify businesses little bit. Jessica, do you have anything to add to that? 
 
SPEAKER: 
We have a variable message board which is a standard DAG construction sign that is at the intersection of Atlanta Avenue and East ISSB. There are also signs in place within that are attached to private monument signs heading east on East ISB and also signs attached to private monument signs heading south along Atlantic Avenue, South directing people. 
 
We done review to the entry data specific to the time when we closed ISB through the most recent data pull was July 31. Beach entries are up significantly across the entire county. Beach entries at the adjacent are up significantly 30, 40%. We are not seeing a decrease in the beach patronage. What we are fighting use what we expected is that the patrons are going to the beach and use the most convenient access points. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Thank you. I'm glad to hear. I think what I just heard you say is there's more than one sign there are two direct people of a closed approach. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Yes. It also allowed the businesses along East ISB whatever signs they deem necessary on our construction fencing. If you sit at the stoplight and ISB Atlantic Avenue there's T-shirts stop signs on the perimeter gate, I think pizza guy has assignments available as well. We've allowed them to put A-frames at the intersection. We are open to all operational considerations that come to us. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Did we end up having to close both sides OESE IS better be or is one lane open? 
 
SPEAKER: 
The plan has always been to close all of it in constructions happenings we can try to get it done as quickly as possible. If we left one lane construction would be longer and we would be completely out of cycle with the DOT project. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
I think there was a misunderstanding about that with vendors. Can you do anything to stop the rain so you can continue construction? 
 
SPEAKER: 
The rain helps with the fires. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
True. One other thing along the same lines that you may be able to help us with. Some of the concessionaires from East ISB North through probably the boardwalk are suffering from lack of patrons. What they think is happening is that cars are going all the way up to Seabreeze and heading north. I'm wondering if there is anything we can do with those concessionaires to help them through hard time. 
 
SPEAKER: 
We only have one concessioner. She has the ability, or they have the ability to move their people wherever they see fit within their structure and that was done on purpose. We had one company that manages that particular area. There Free2Move those people to wherever they feel they can have a competitive advantage. The whole thing was structured with that in mind. 
 
Knowing that things could happen in a given area that could change traffic through the years. That has been contemplated in their contract and they are free to move those people wherever they see fit to accommodate may be new patterns or new areas. 
 
As we say there's more people down there. It's up to them to figure out where they are at in the concessions and where they are needed. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Have they contacted you directly or Jessica 
 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
They have contacted us directly. Were into a season right now we know that the weather is definitely out there. We have worked with them through every storm season that we have had and they have used force majeure. If that comes along because of a storm we will be happy to work with them to see that happen but this is not covered under that. This is actual patterns on the beach that are going to have to adjust. 
 
And again, we will wait and see how it goes. If there's a storm season and no issues that's one thing but there could be issues and then maybe a better time to address any concerns they may have when there's actually an event that causes it. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
Alright, that's all that I had. 
 
GEORGE RECKTENWALD: 
Indulge me one second. I also forgot to mention that Friday is the grand opening of the DeLand sun rail stop. It will be a ribbon-cutting. My understanding is around 10 AM. I think certain people are invited to take the train from Deberry on a peer to the station. Service will begin this coming Monday and the station will be operational. That's all I have. 
 
SPEAKER: 
Tell the Eastside boys they got to bring (indiscernible) thank you, Mr. chair. 
 
JEFF BROWER: 
In record time at 12:56 PM we will be adjourned.